The price is set by the secondary market after WotC determines its supply.
This is why you don't see 20 dollar commons, 15 dollar uncommons, 50 dollar rares in standard.
WotC sets a card at a certain rarity and the price for it will go up or down accordingly.
Or do you think Jace would've ever hit $100 if it was printed at the common level?
I fail to see what this has to do with my point. I understand how rarity affects the value of a card, but thanks for that helpful information. None of your post has anything to do with the point I was trying to make. WoTC determines the rarity and supply of the cards, the public determines the demand and what prices they sell at in the secondhand market. My point, in short, is that WoTC has NOTHING TO DO WITH JTMS costing $100 other than the fact that he is a mythic rare. The fact that he's a mythic rare alone doesn't make him $100, as there are plenty of mythic rares that are under $5. WoTC doesn't determine the selling price of JTMS any more, the public does. To blame Wizards for making Jace a mythic rare is kind of ridiculous. What should they do, make the commons the most powerful cards and make mythics 1/1 do nothings? I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make here.
Wasn't it just a few years ago that the most valuable card might be 10 bucks?
Or was I that out of touch with the value of cards back then? I rarely buy singles because I enjoy opening boosters too much. (I know it's more expensive) It wasn't till I started selling all my extra cards on Ebay that I noticed how expensive some cards can be.
Wasn't it just a few years ago that gas was $1.75 a gallon and McDonalds $1 menu had things that were $1 instead of $1.29? It's called inflation, and I don't know when people started thinking that Magic cards were immune to it. We're just lucky that booster packs have only gone up $1 in the past 15 years.
Haha exactly. If you don't like the prices of Magic cards, guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY MAGIC! Nobody is forcing you to buy these expensive cards. You can either have a Tier 1 deck or you can have a cheap deck. If you want both, you're playing the wrong game. Magic is like anything else that's competitive, it takes money to win. I don't like spending $1,500 on a set of tires that need replaced 2-3 times a season. I can either decide to stop racing, or cough up the money for the tires. Calling Yokohama and whining isn't going to accomplish anything.
I fail to see what this has to do with my point. I understand how rarity affects the value of a card, but thanks for that helpful information. None of your post has anything to do with the point I was trying to make. WoTC determines the rarity and supply of the cards, the public determines the demand and what prices they sell at in the secondhand market. My point, in short, is that WoTC has NOTHING TO DO WITH JTMS costing $100 other than the fact that he is a mythic rare. The fact that he's a mythic rare alone doesn't make him $100, as there are plenty of mythic rares that are under $5.
Wotc controls the power level of the cards, people don't just aribtrairly chose cards to buy, they buy the powerful ones.
. What should they do, make the commons the most powerful cards and make mythics 1/1 do nothings? I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make here.
No you make mythics big splashy causal cards, with lots of flavor and little tournament impact, and give rares the highest percentage of tournament cards.
Wasn't it just a few years ago that gas was $1.75 a gallon and McDonalds $1 menu had things that were $1 instead of $1.29? It's called inflation, and I don't know when people started thinking that Magic cards were immune to it. We're just lucky that booster packs have only gone up $1 in the past 15 years.[.
1. Gasoline price is not due to inflation
2. Inflation does not double prices after 3 years.
Haha exactly. If you don't like the prices of Magic cards, guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY MAGIC! Nobody is forcing you to buy these expensive cards. You can either have a Tier 1 deck or you can have a cheap deck. If you want both, you're playing the wrong game.
This is the complain about standard prices thread, if all you want to do is come here say stop whining about prices and offer no valid points why don't you just start a "complain about, the complain about standard prices" thread.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
It's like a week and a half before states, of course the craze for cards, cards are going to jack up big time. It'll settle down a bit after states, not much but at least somewhat.
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Wotc controls the power level of the cards, people don't just aribtrairly chose cards to buy, they buy the powerful ones.
Oh ok, so I guess Wizards should stop making such good cards like Goyf and JTMS, then nobody will want to pay a bunch of money for a single card. That's much better for the game of Magic, right?
No you make mythics big splashy causal cards, with lots of flavor and little tournament impact, and give rares the highest percentage of tournament cards.
I think that's a horrible idea and defeats the purpose of mythic rares in the first place. BTW, did you know Magic does NOT base the way they design cards on how much they think a card might fetch in the future secondary market? If they did, it would be horrible for the game as a whole. They need to design their sets based on the mechanics. They will never purposely design mythics as casual cards to make them cheaper because that's just plain stupid. They will also never ban a card because of cost, which would also be stupid.
1. Gasoline price is not due to inflation
2. Inflation does not double prices after 3 years.
Maybe using gasoline was a bad example, but yes inflation has something to do with secondhand market prices. The prices haven't doubled in 3 years. Goyf, when he was still standard legal, fetched as high of a price as any standard legal card right now. A tier 1 standard deck 3 years ago cost about the same as it does now, maybe a few bucks more for the planeswalkers.
This is the complain about standard prices thread, if all you want to do is come here say stop whining about prices and offer no valid points why don't you just start a "complain about, the complain about standard prices" thread.
I think I offered some extremely valid points.
a) WoTC isn't responsible for JTMS and Goyf costing nearly $100 on ebay
b) there is nothing wrong with mythic rarity or the way mythics are designed
c) anything competitive takes money to win, Magic is no exception
d) a tier 1 standard deck can be built for cheap, especially compared to EVERY OTHER FORMAT, so why all the complaining about prices?
I stopped by this thread to see what the hell everybody was complaining about. I recently built a Legacy NO BANT and a Modern Zoo, so I was kind of surprised to see this many people complaining about $25 mythics.
I decided to put together a deck similiar to the mono red deck that won indy. 24 hours after deciding to build this deck, I had 61 out of 75 cards without spending a dime. This is just from going through my binders and trading with a couple friends. The remaining 14 cards I need can be purchased for less than $100. Once again, this is the deck that won a major tournament recently. If you can't afford to spend $80 on a deck, you should probably not be spending any money on Magic in the first place.
It's going to go down. Look at Goblin guide he never got above $7, and he's arguably the best red 1 drop ever. It's just hype right now.
Goblin Lackey would like to have a word with you. Yes Stromkirk is great, but he isn't a goblin guide either. He is a 10$ card at most, and a 6$ solid card for the format. The hype monster exists for the next 3 weeks or so. We won't truly know what their settle price is for awhile yet.
dangit, stromkirk Noble prices jacked up, I should've bought them early
I know I am largely responsible for this, but there's no way the guy is more than a 5$ card. He's about as good as Spikeshot Elder, and I'm probably cutting a few Nobles for Arsonists at States.
I think I offered some extremely valid points.
a) WoTC isn't responsible for JTMS and Goyf costing nearly $100 on ebay
b) there is nothing wrong with mythic rarity or the way mythics are designed
c) anything competitive takes money to win, Magic is no exception
d) a tier 1 standard deck can be built for cheap, especially compared to EVERY OTHER FORMAT, so why all the complaining about prices?
I stopped by this thread to see what the hell everybody was complaining about. I recently built a Legacy NO BANT and a Modern Zoo, so I was kind of surprised to see this many people complaining about $25 mythics.
I decided to put together a deck similiar to the mono red deck that won indy. 24 hours after deciding to build this deck, I had 61 out of 75 cards without spending a dime. This is just from going through my binders and trading with a couple friends. The remaining 14 cards I need can be purchased for less than $100. Once again, this is the deck that won a major tournament recently. If you can't afford to spend $80 on a deck, you should probably not be spending any money on Magic in the first place.
a) True. Goyf is a bit of a freak incidence where I think let he who is without sin should cast the first stone. Very few spotted it would be powerful so we can't expect WoTC to have known how much it would be in demand.
JTMS though, this is what happens when a card's power level is pushed to sell a set. I'd like to think WoTC learnt from this though.
b) Not true. The more rarity levels you add the more value becomes centered on specific cards...I've played two TCGs which have struggled through their multiple rarities:
Duel Masters: Rares were powerful, the two levels above were generally not. Net result was boxes opened for rares, which generally were easy to find. Ultimately, WoTC didn't make enough money from product as there weren't particularly chase cards.
Megaman TCG: Level above rare and level above that were incredibly powerful and specific. This meant to play certain decks you needed a specific mythic+ in multiples. It was terrible cracking a box because you ended up with mainly trade bait. Required a play group willing to trade with each other heavily (e.g. I'll play Gutsman, you play Magicman and Dave plays Megaman...we need to make sure we each get the correct cards and don't change decks). So product just stopped selling.
So where are WoTC going right? Enough power to keep product being opened without causing long term problems in supporting the brand.
c) Chess. I'm now being pedantic, but avoid sweeping statements.
d) Rotation. Although I tend to find if you are good at shifting the cards, you treat them as a hire purchase. A new card in standard can be a 24 month rental if you want to minimize outlay. You just need initial buy in.
I think my main concern with prices though is just how far some cards rise. The price of Liliana right now for instance makes me nervous because it's on the back of a lot of hype. There's a lot of cash which could fall out of her at any point.
Whereas lands at least? Apart from the fact everything is a bit more expensive right now due to states, I never feel bad spending on...I'll lose very little of what I paid when I finally sell my SoM lands in 11 months.
Oh ok, so I guess Wizards should stop making such good cards like Goyf and JTMS, then nobody will want to pay a bunch of money for a single card. That's much better for the game of Magic, right?
I think that's a horrible idea and defeats the purpose of mythic rares in the first place. BTW, did you know Magic does NOT base the way they design cards on how much they think a card might fetch in the future secondary market? If they did, it would be horrible for the game as a whole. They need to design their sets based on the mechanics. They will never purposely design mythics as casual cards to make them cheaper because that's just plain stupid. They will also never ban a card because of cost, which would also be stupid.
Ya that's much worse than $40, $50 and $100 cards.
Maybe using gasoline was a bad example, but yes inflation has something to do with secondhand market prices. The prices haven't doubled in 3 years. Goyf, when he was still standard legal, fetched as high of a price as any standard legal card right now. A tier 1 standard deck 3 years ago cost about the same as it does now, maybe a few bucks more for the planeswalkers.
Tottally wrong
1. Goyf was an exexption, he was a $50 card that dominated every format. No other card in the pre-mythic era maintained a price above $30
2. I have yet to have anyone show me a pre-lowryn deck that was above $300(ebay prices)
3. years latter we had decks in the $600-$800 range.(ebay prices)
c) anything competitive takes money to win, Magic is no exception
Most things are more about skill than money, While magic is still more about skill than money, money has become a bigger factor which most would say is bad.
I stopped by this thread to see what the hell everybody was complaining about. I recently built a Legacy NO BANT and a Modern Zoo, so I was kind of surprised to see this many people complaining about $25 mythics.
I don't see anyone complaining about $25 mythics, We are complaining about $40+ mythics.
I decided to put together a deck similiar to the mono red deck that won indy. 24 hours after deciding to build this deck, I had 61 out of 75 cards without spending a dime. This is just from going through my binders and trading with a couple friends. The remaining 14 cards I need can be purchased for less than $100. Once again, this is the deck that won a major tournament recently. If you can't afford to spend $80 on a deck, you should probably not be spending any money on Magic in the first place.
1.Just becuase you already paid for some of the cards in the deck doesn't make the deck only $80 for some one else to purchase.
2. At a glance the deck price is probably around $200, that is the price of a teir 1 deck pre-lowryn.
3. An aggro deck winning early in a new meta means very little, when the meta settels it will likely be a tier 2 deck.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
If they didn't print staples as mythics, what would be the point of mythics? The rarest cards are the most powerful cards, that makes sense. Please show me a type 2 decklist that would cost $800 to make. The most expensive deck I know of right now is solar flare which is a little less than $400 if you're using ebay prices. As far as your Jace comment, does that mean you wish Wizards wouldn't print cards that good because they'll become too expensive? Or should a card like Jace have been a regular rare? Although many things are about skill, you have to have the money to compete in the first place. It doesn't matter if you're a better driver than Sebastian Vettel, if you don't have the money for a car, your skill behind the wheel is irrelevant. Other formats aren't much more expensive? The most recent Standard decks I've built have been $200-300. The most recent Modern deck I built cost $1,200. The most recent Legacy deck I built cost a little over $2,000. Please tell me how Modern and Legacy aren't "much more expensive" than standard. I spent more on a playset of Goyfs or Forces than I spent on my entire type 2 deck. As far as complaining about $40 mythics, how many mythics out of a given set EVER make it to that price? Let's take a look at Innistrad for example. The set just came out, prices will be the highest right now. There is ONE mythic rare in the set over $25. Every other card in the set is $25 or less with the exception of snapcaster, which is a rare, so by your logic a $30 snapcaster should be no big deal because it's the mythics that are ruining everything, right?
nope, he'll go down. He's only a rare in a large set and this set is the most popular one since Zendikar. Not to mention MTGO redemption and the fact that he isin't a 4 of in every deck of every top 8 in major tournament (unlike JtmS and SFM)
nope, he'll go down. He's only a rare in a large set and this set is the most popular one since Zendikar. Not to mention MTGO redemption and the fact that he isin't a 4 of in every deck of every top 8 in major tournament (unlike JtmS and SFM)
Unfortunately I have a feeling that he won't drop much less than $20. People love this card.
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Please show me a type 2 decklist that would cost $800 to make. The most expensive deck I know of right now is solar flare which is a little less than $400 if you're using ebay prices.
look up a deck named mythic, they topped out at just over $800.
At the moment the standard is still being sorted out so we have no clear teir one decks. Once the meta settels the tier one decks will emerege and the cards in the will go up in price particularly the mythics.
As far as your Jace comment, does that mean you wish Wizards wouldn't print cards that good because they'll become too expensive? Or should a card like Jace have been a regular rare?
Cards like Jace should have been a rare, there should also have been better hate and less control cards for him.
Although many things are about skill, you have to have the money to compete in the first place. It doesn't matter if you're a better driver than Sebastian Vettel, if you don't have the money for a car, your skill behind the wheel is irrelevant. ?
Do you think money replacing skill is a good thing?
Other than reprints, banning, and tournament support Wotc has no control over the prices there.
Also those other formats only became as expensive as the are when standard prices started to rise.
The most recent Standard decks I've built have been $200-300. The most recent Modern deck I built cost $1,200. The most recent Legacy deck I built cost a little over $2,000.
Please tell me how Modern and Legacy aren't "much more expensive" than standard. I spent more on a playset of Goyfs or Forces than I spent on my entire type 2 deck.
And those cards will be useable for a long time and probably go up in vaule, plus if you spent that much you should have a teir 1 legacy deck. while your type 2 decl is probably tier 2, d won't be any good in a year and will probably either need to be upgraded and completely remade in 6 months.
As far as complaining about $40 mythics, how many mythics out of a given set EVER make it to that price?
About 1 mythic per set hits $40+, 1-2 mythics per year maintain a value of $40+. That might not seem like alot but those cards ussually reach those vaules because they are in teir one decks
Let's take a look at Innistrad for example.
The set just came out, prices will be the highest right now.
Just like how Jace's price was the highest when worldwake first came out?
Set prices are highest when they are first released and in their second season of standard.
There is ONE mythic rare in the set over $25. Every other card in the set is $25 or less with the exception of snapcaster, which is a rare, so by your logic a $30 snapcaster should be no big deal because it's the mythics that are ruining everything, right?
A $30 snap caster mage is no big deal, the rav duals where preordering for $40 when the where first announced. Price hype means nothing. Even if he some how maintaines a $30 vaule that just means he is taking around $60 of vaule away from the mythics.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
why is the new lilians so high in price now? what about it changed?
Dumb people overhyping it. 16 copies of Liliana made it into the top 16. Not the makings of a 70 dollar card. The solar flare that did the best wasnt even running it.
Dumb people overhyping it. 16 copies of Liliana made it into the top 16. Not the makings of a 70 dollar card. The solar flare that did the best wasnt even running it.
I know, LOLZ. Anyways, the simple solution to this would be to print sets more balanced so that the power of a set isn't isolated to a single card or few cards. Then you end up with values being isolated and that's never fun for people. I like opening 10 packs and having most of them actually be worth the pack.
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Lilliana at Jace levels when it was first being adopted as the best card in standard. I understand states is coming up, but still that is insane.
As far as mythics go, I'm a little disappointed. Before, you invested in a mana base then could play most things quite easily by making trades (which were easier btw because most things were around the same price). Now we have huge price extremes <1$-now 70$. That's the main thing for me, it makes it so much harder to trade up for things when there is a huge disparity in price. It's tough to find someone willing to trade something like a liliana or jace for a stack of 1-4$ rares.
Lilliana at Jace levels when it was first being adopted as the best card in standard. I understand states is coming up, but still that is insane.
As far as mythics go, I'm a little disappointed. Before, you invested in a mana base then could play most things quite easily by making trades (which were easier btw because most things were around the same price). Now we have huge price extremes <1$-now 70$. That's the main thing for me, it makes it so much harder to trade up for things when there is a huge disparity in price. It's tough to find someone willing to trade something like a liliana or jace for a stack of 1-4$ rares.
Your kidding me right? You find the advent of modern information accessibility a problem for standards pricing? You find it "tough" to trade bargain bin rares for top tier cards now? Wow man what a way to complain about prices in standard.
Your kidding me right? You find the advent of modern information accessibility a problem for standards pricing? You find it "tough" to trade bargain bin rares for top tier cards now? Wow man what a way to complain about prices in standard.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying people won't trade something like a JTMS for like 2 SoFaF, because Jace costs too much apiece. Try trading some swords for a 'Goyf, ain't gonna work.
And yet mythic rarity has little to nothing to do with that.
Dont let the whiners know that.
I fail to see what this has to do with my point. I understand how rarity affects the value of a card, but thanks for that helpful information. None of your post has anything to do with the point I was trying to make. WoTC determines the rarity and supply of the cards, the public determines the demand and what prices they sell at in the secondhand market. My point, in short, is that WoTC has NOTHING TO DO WITH JTMS costing $100 other than the fact that he is a mythic rare. The fact that he's a mythic rare alone doesn't make him $100, as there are plenty of mythic rares that are under $5. WoTC doesn't determine the selling price of JTMS any more, the public does. To blame Wizards for making Jace a mythic rare is kind of ridiculous. What should they do, make the commons the most powerful cards and make mythics 1/1 do nothings? I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make here.
Wasn't it just a few years ago that gas was $1.75 a gallon and McDonalds $1 menu had things that were $1 instead of $1.29? It's called inflation, and I don't know when people started thinking that Magic cards were immune to it. We're just lucky that booster packs have only gone up $1 in the past 15 years.
Haha exactly. If you don't like the prices of Magic cards, guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY MAGIC! Nobody is forcing you to buy these expensive cards. You can either have a Tier 1 deck or you can have a cheap deck. If you want both, you're playing the wrong game. Magic is like anything else that's competitive, it takes money to win. I don't like spending $1,500 on a set of tires that need replaced 2-3 times a season. I can either decide to stop racing, or cough up the money for the tires. Calling Yokohama and whining isn't going to accomplish anything.
Wotc controls the power level of the cards, people don't just aribtrairly chose cards to buy, they buy the powerful ones.
No you make mythics big splashy causal cards, with lots of flavor and little tournament impact, and give rares the highest percentage of tournament cards.
1. Gasoline price is not due to inflation
2. Inflation does not double prices after 3 years.
This is the complain about standard prices thread, if all you want to do is come here say stop whining about prices and offer no valid points why don't you just start a "complain about, the complain about standard prices" thread.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
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Oh ok, so I guess Wizards should stop making such good cards like Goyf and JTMS, then nobody will want to pay a bunch of money for a single card. That's much better for the game of Magic, right?
I think that's a horrible idea and defeats the purpose of mythic rares in the first place. BTW, did you know Magic does NOT base the way they design cards on how much they think a card might fetch in the future secondary market? If they did, it would be horrible for the game as a whole. They need to design their sets based on the mechanics. They will never purposely design mythics as casual cards to make them cheaper because that's just plain stupid. They will also never ban a card because of cost, which would also be stupid.
Maybe using gasoline was a bad example, but yes inflation has something to do with secondhand market prices. The prices haven't doubled in 3 years. Goyf, when he was still standard legal, fetched as high of a price as any standard legal card right now. A tier 1 standard deck 3 years ago cost about the same as it does now, maybe a few bucks more for the planeswalkers.
I think I offered some extremely valid points.
a) WoTC isn't responsible for JTMS and Goyf costing nearly $100 on ebay
b) there is nothing wrong with mythic rarity or the way mythics are designed
c) anything competitive takes money to win, Magic is no exception
d) a tier 1 standard deck can be built for cheap, especially compared to EVERY OTHER FORMAT, so why all the complaining about prices?
I stopped by this thread to see what the hell everybody was complaining about. I recently built a Legacy NO BANT and a Modern Zoo, so I was kind of surprised to see this many people complaining about $25 mythics.
I decided to put together a deck similiar to the mono red deck that won indy. 24 hours after deciding to build this deck, I had 61 out of 75 cards without spending a dime. This is just from going through my binders and trading with a couple friends. The remaining 14 cards I need can be purchased for less than $100. Once again, this is the deck that won a major tournament recently. If you can't afford to spend $80 on a deck, you should probably not be spending any money on Magic in the first place.
Goblin Lackey would like to have a word with you. Yes Stromkirk is great, but he isn't a goblin guide either. He is a 10$ card at most, and a 6$ solid card for the format. The hype monster exists for the next 3 weeks or so. We won't truly know what their settle price is for awhile yet.
I know I am largely responsible for this, but there's no way the guy is more than a 5$ card. He's about as good as Spikeshot Elder, and I'm probably cutting a few Nobles for Arsonists at States.
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a) True. Goyf is a bit of a freak incidence where I think let he who is without sin should cast the first stone. Very few spotted it would be powerful so we can't expect WoTC to have known how much it would be in demand.
JTMS though, this is what happens when a card's power level is pushed to sell a set. I'd like to think WoTC learnt from this though.
b) Not true. The more rarity levels you add the more value becomes centered on specific cards...I've played two TCGs which have struggled through their multiple rarities:
Duel Masters: Rares were powerful, the two levels above were generally not. Net result was boxes opened for rares, which generally were easy to find. Ultimately, WoTC didn't make enough money from product as there weren't particularly chase cards.
Megaman TCG: Level above rare and level above that were incredibly powerful and specific. This meant to play certain decks you needed a specific mythic+ in multiples. It was terrible cracking a box because you ended up with mainly trade bait. Required a play group willing to trade with each other heavily (e.g. I'll play Gutsman, you play Magicman and Dave plays Megaman...we need to make sure we each get the correct cards and don't change decks). So product just stopped selling.
So where are WoTC going right? Enough power to keep product being opened without causing long term problems in supporting the brand.
c) Chess. I'm now being pedantic, but avoid sweeping statements.
d) Rotation. Although I tend to find if you are good at shifting the cards, you treat them as a hire purchase. A new card in standard can be a 24 month rental if you want to minimize outlay. You just need initial buy in.
I think my main concern with prices though is just how far some cards rise. The price of Liliana right now for instance makes me nervous because it's on the back of a lot of hype. There's a lot of cash which could fall out of her at any point.
Whereas lands at least? Apart from the fact everything is a bit more expensive right now due to states, I never feel bad spending on...I'll lose very little of what I paid when I finally sell my SoM lands in 11 months.
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No they should just not print staples at mythic
Ya that's much worse than $40, $50 and $100 cards.
Tottally wrong
1. Goyf was an exexption, he was a $50 card that dominated every format. No other card in the pre-mythic era maintained a price above $30
2. I have yet to have anyone show me a pre-lowryn deck that was above $300(ebay prices)
3. years latter we had decks in the $600-$800 range.(ebay prices)
So you are saying JTMS would still have cost $100 his he were 8 mana or 2 mana?
Because it cost twice as much and I don't see how a higher bar to entry is a good thing unless you want less competition
Most things are more about skill than money, While magic is still more about skill than money, money has become a bigger factor which most would say is bad.
Other formats are not much more expensive, and there is no need to buy a new deck every year.
I don't see anyone complaining about $25 mythics, We are complaining about $40+ mythics.
1.Just becuase you already paid for some of the cards in the deck doesn't make the deck only $80 for some one else to purchase.
2. At a glance the deck price is probably around $200, that is the price of a teir 1 deck pre-lowryn.
3. An aggro deck winning early in a new meta means very little, when the meta settels it will likely be a tier 2 deck.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that he won't drop much less than $20. People love this card.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Mythics where supposed to be flavorful not powerful.
look up a deck named mythic, they topped out at just over $800.
At the moment the standard is still being sorted out so we have no clear teir one decks. Once the meta settels the tier one decks will emerege and the cards in the will go up in price particularly the mythics.
Cards like Jace should have been a rare, there should also have been better hate and less control cards for him.
Do you think money replacing skill is a good thing?
Other than reprints, banning, and tournament support Wotc has no control over the prices there.
Also those other formats only became as expensive as the are when standard prices started to rise.
And those cards will be useable for a long time and probably go up in vaule, plus if you spent that much you should have a teir 1 legacy deck. while your type 2 decl is probably tier 2, d won't be any good in a year and will probably either need to be upgraded and completely remade in 6 months.
About 1 mythic per set hits $40+, 1-2 mythics per year maintain a value of $40+. That might not seem like alot but those cards ussually reach those vaules because they are in teir one decks
Just like how Jace's price was the highest when worldwake first came out?
Set prices are highest when they are first released and in their second season of standard.
A $30 snap caster mage is no big deal, the rav duals where preordering for $40 when the where first announced. Price hype means nothing. Even if he some how maintaines a $30 vaule that just means he is taking around $60 of vaule away from the mythics.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
look what happened to the price of stoneforge on the verge of the release of the duel deck
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Dumb people overhyping it. 16 copies of Liliana made it into the top 16. Not the makings of a 70 dollar card. The solar flare that did the best wasnt even running it.
I know, LOLZ. Anyways, the simple solution to this would be to print sets more balanced so that the power of a set isn't isolated to a single card or few cards. Then you end up with values being isolated and that's never fun for people. I like opening 10 packs and having most of them actually be worth the pack.
If you hate the deck, I'm probably playing it!
As far as mythics go, I'm a little disappointed. Before, you invested in a mana base then could play most things quite easily by making trades (which were easier btw because most things were around the same price). Now we have huge price extremes <1$-now 70$. That's the main thing for me, it makes it so much harder to trade up for things when there is a huge disparity in price. It's tough to find someone willing to trade something like a liliana or jace for a stack of 1-4$ rares.
Your kidding me right? You find the advent of modern information accessibility a problem for standards pricing? You find it "tough" to trade bargain bin rares for top tier cards now? Wow man what a way to complain about prices in standard.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying people won't trade something like a JTMS for like 2 SoFaF, because Jace costs too much apiece. Try trading some swords for a 'Goyf, ain't gonna work.
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