Artworks are getting too cartooney on cards anymore. Grim Flayer looks nice but that's about it. It's a nice change but I'd like to see them go back at some point.
Is there any more place for Saheeli in Standard? Where do you think her price is going to settle from now? She was just under $10 immediately post-ban, will she be an under $5 walker now?
So... just wondering here... Fatal Push at $9. Is this the highest price ever for a Standard-legal uncommon?
Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
So... just wondering here... Fatal Push at $9. Is this the highest price ever for a Standard-legal uncommon?
Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
Skullclamp and Eternal Witness were expensive as well from what I've heard
I played back then. Skullclamp you could buy in a structure deck and get two guaranteed which kept the price lower. Witness I'm blanking on, because why the hell would you not play Affinity back then?
Right now the prices on ixalan cards are still stabilizing, but I'm going to admit I'm not a fan of the price of standard right now. It's pretty crazy high if someone wasn't around during Kaladesh -> Now as all of the major players are pretty close to modern price levels. Metallic Mimic is near 11 dollars at this point in time, Walking Ballista is up there, The Scarab God is just insane, and Hazoret the Fervent and her compatriots are putting even the aggro archetype in the triple digits. Also hoping people were around during energy decks because that is an entire nightmare in itself.
The only good thing right now is that people are actually playing magic, which is why the prices are out of this world. Also, this is the first time in a long while we've had a rotation and we lost a huge number of sets. I'm sure that some of these prices are due to the changes to the meta that have happened as a result. Old cards that were basically unplayable suddenly became go-to staples like Hidden Stockpile. Existing decks that survived rotation are now in a format where they just got a lot stronger.
Normally pre-order season is a lose situation, but right now this is starting to feel like if someone bought in early they probably got a lot of stuff on the cheap. Hostage Taker was 3 dollars and then just launched into the sky, for example.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Right now the prices on ixalan cards are still stabilizing, but I'm going to admit I'm not a fan of the price of standard right now. It's pretty crazy high if someone wasn't around during Kaladesh -> Now as all of the major players are pretty close to modern price levels. Metallic Mimic is near 11 dollars at this point in time, Walking Ballista is up there, The Scarab God is just insane, and Hazoret the Fervent and her compatriots are putting even the aggro archetype in the triple digits. Also hoping people were around during energy decks because that is an entire nightmare in itself.
The only good thing right now is that people are actually playing magic, which is why the prices are out of this world. Also, this is the first time in a long while we've had a rotation and we lost a huge number of sets. I'm sure that some of these prices are due to the changes to the meta that have happened as a result. Old cards that were basically unplayable suddenly became go-to staples like Hidden Stockpile. Existing decks that survived rotation are now in a format where they just got a lot stronger.
Normally pre-order season is a lose situation, but right now this is starting to feel like if someone bought in early they probably got a lot of stuff on the cheap. Hostage Taker was 3 dollars and then just launched into the sky, for example.
I can 100% vouch for this. As someone that likes to pre-order cards on the cheap, I came out like a bandit this time around. I bought a playset of Foil Search for Azcanta for 6.50 each. I bought my foil Hostage Taker playset for 5 dollars each. My foil Vraska's Contempts were about 4 dollars each. I just got back into Magic--after a 7 year hiatus--in the beginning of August, and I was just buying cards that I thought looked fun and weren't rotating soon. I ended up picking up a playset of foil Torrential Gearhulk for 18 dollars each, foil The Scarab Gods for 20 dollar each, foil Hazoret the Fervent for 16 dollars each, and foil Chandra, Torch of Defiance for 28 dollars each. If you look around and are vigilant when cards aren't being heavily played/pre-sales you can get quite the steals. The only card that was really impossible to do this with was Carnage Tyrant, which is funny. It's still really high and I have yet to see a single one played. Feels like a lot of wasted money there.
So... just wondering here... Fatal Push at $9. Is this the highest price ever for a Standard-legal uncommon?
Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
Skullclamp and Eternal Witness were expensive as well from what I've heard
I played back then. Skullclamp you could buy in a structure deck and get two guaranteed which kept the price lower. Witness I'm blanking on, because why the hell would you not play Affinity back then?
Witness was still around 5 dollars. The only way to really combat Affinity was with green. Oxidize, Viridan Shaman, etc. Tooth and Nail often ran Witness, as well.
I think they just one upped you skimmerz with the challenger decks. Want hazoret and chandra for 30 bucks? You can once april 6th rolls around.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Standard is still in trouble and oh look $30 bucks for the stupid phoenix. High prices for the few bomb cards is preventing people from bothering with standard again.
It's double the trouble right now because the people who were playing standard refuse to pay to get back in. Phoenix is not worth 30 to most consumers.
So... just wondering here... Fatal Push at $9. Is this the highest price ever for a Standard-legal uncommon?
Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
I know this is an old post, but just want to throw two words in here..."confirmation bias." I got 3x Fatal Push in my one box of AER I bought. Was I lucky as hell? Yes. Does it show that your assumption that Push is more rare than other AER uncommons is incorrect? Likely yes.
i think that the best way to please everybody is to change up pack statistics, theres 15 cards in a pack minus two for a land and token/emblem/trash so that leavs us with the 13 2 rares/mythics/foils, 4 uncommons, 7 commons, Everybody wins. wizards and stores sell more, Limited formats are more fun and it puts more rares into the second market for the same price, now wizards doesn't need to print more they just need to print differently. Increase the no. of different promos too cause those are cool.
So... just wondering here... Fatal Push at $9. Is this the highest price ever for a Standard-legal uncommon?
Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
I know this is an old post, but just want to throw two words in here..."confirmation bias." I got 3x Fatal Push in my one box of AER I bought. Was I lucky as hell? Yes. Does it show that your assumption that Push is more rare than other AER uncommons is incorrect? Likely yes.
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So... just wondering here... Fatal Push at $9. Is this the highest price ever for a Standard-legal uncommon?
Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
I know this is an old post, but just want to throw two words in here..."confirmation bias." I got 3x Fatal Push in my one box of AER I bought. Was I lucky as hell? Yes. Does it show that your assumption that Push is more rare than other AER uncommons is incorrect? Likely yes.
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When I first started looking into competitive standard was when Invasion block was still in rotation, and I feel that the price of competitive decks were much lower than they are now (accounting for inflation). I could be wrong, but it definitely seems that way. It's interesting to me that as the game has grown, competitive play has become more costly, and in that way, less accessible.
I'm a bit on the outside looking in. Although I've played magic for awhile, most of it has not been competitive constructed. I will say that it feels very expensive at this point, too expensive. I work full time in a white collar job and a big part of why I'm not interested in competitive play is the price. I just have tough time justifying the money for competitive standard. Sure I could be strategic in what deck I choose and take care in flipping everything to recoup most costs. But, that's not really a part of what makes magic fun. I know for many of you, magic is more than a simple game, but for the vast majority of those participating, that's exactly what magic is.
I'm very suprised that WOTC isn't doing more to bring down prices to make competitive play more accessible, thus converting more casual players to long-term, more involved, and most importantly, higher spending players. I'm excited for things like MTG Arena, which I think has the opportunity to really grow the player base and help build a larger, more mainstream competitive scene. But ultimately, if people have to spend hundreds just to be competitive, I don't see it growing that much. Price does matter, even in very small amounts. Think of how f2p games took over the esports scene.
If I had to throw out a number, (IMO, totally speculative, etc.) I think $100 for a competitive constructed deck would be a reasonable price for most people. [Now lets make it happen WOTC!]
Also, to throw my hat into the what drives pricing argument, I would agree that lowering the price of booster packs and/or decreasing the statistical rarity of in demand cards would decrease the cost of an competitive deck. How any card is accessed in the very beginning is through the purchase and opening of a pack. The cost of the pack is thus priced into the cost of any single. Lower costs would allow the opening of more packs for the same price, which would result in more cards for the same price, which would allow for more valuable cards to turn up as well. Decreasing rarity would have a similar effect in increasing the supply of valuable cards, as more of them would just turn up even if you bought the same number of packs as before.
Basic principal is that as supply increases relative to demand, prices go down. It's true that sellers can sell at whatever price they want, but assuming that buyers are looking for the lowest price possible, sellers must lower prices to remain competitive in the market. The more cards there are, the more sellers must compete and price lower. This assumes there isn't any sort of monopoly or price fixing. But since there are so many individual sellers (i.e., ebay, card shops), I don't think the singles market has these issues.
I'd like to see they delete the Mythic rarity to lower the prices for standard. Not sure there's much else they can do other than stop printing so few cards that are standard playable per set.
I'd like to see they delete the Mythic rarity to lower the prices for standard. Not sure there's much else they can do other than stop printing so few cards that are standard playable per set.
The problem isn't with just standard. Everything is expensive at the moment.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You'd think that after they just upped the number of Nexus of Fate in MTGO that paper players would break out the torches.
The trouble with this game is that the lack of any kind of regulating force is creating a really toxic market for players. Also can't say I'm a fan of the insufficient support for modern. I'm really hoping the company has a better 2019 than their 2017-2018 years or they could very well end up destroying their own cash cow.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think there's too much influence in too few hands and everyone over their head (Hasbro) knows nothing about the product or the community. They only want to see better numbers. Shocking really that they can't possibly be showing better numbers just based off participation for the last 3 years yet only the CEO was replaced and that was only to push Arena and cash from that direction. Just look at the predatory price practices they're going to employ there!
Not sure I can be optimistic since the only good decisions they seem to be making are the ones where they walk back stupid ones.
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Maybe Path to Exile at some point? I mean first off it isn't actually printed at the same rate as every other AER uncommon, plus you have a set that virtually every player wants four of or more. I doubt it will even drop at rotation, because most players will say "eh if I ever want to play modern I'll want these" and hold them.
I played back then. Skullclamp you could buy in a structure deck and get two guaranteed which kept the price lower. Witness I'm blanking on, because why the hell would you not play Affinity back then?
The only good thing right now is that people are actually playing magic, which is why the prices are out of this world. Also, this is the first time in a long while we've had a rotation and we lost a huge number of sets. I'm sure that some of these prices are due to the changes to the meta that have happened as a result. Old cards that were basically unplayable suddenly became go-to staples like Hidden Stockpile. Existing decks that survived rotation are now in a format where they just got a lot stronger.
Normally pre-order season is a lose situation, but right now this is starting to feel like if someone bought in early they probably got a lot of stuff on the cheap. Hostage Taker was 3 dollars and then just launched into the sky, for example.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I can 100% vouch for this. As someone that likes to pre-order cards on the cheap, I came out like a bandit this time around. I bought a playset of Foil Search for Azcanta for 6.50 each. I bought my foil Hostage Taker playset for 5 dollars each. My foil Vraska's Contempts were about 4 dollars each. I just got back into Magic--after a 7 year hiatus--in the beginning of August, and I was just buying cards that I thought looked fun and weren't rotating soon. I ended up picking up a playset of foil Torrential Gearhulk for 18 dollars each, foil The Scarab Gods for 20 dollar each, foil Hazoret the Fervent for 16 dollars each, and foil Chandra, Torch of Defiance for 28 dollars each. If you look around and are vigilant when cards aren't being heavily played/pre-sales you can get quite the steals. The only card that was really impossible to do this with was Carnage Tyrant, which is funny. It's still really high and I have yet to see a single one played. Feels like a lot of wasted money there.
Witness was still around 5 dollars. The only way to really combat Affinity was with green. Oxidize, Viridan Shaman, etc. Tooth and Nail often ran Witness, as well.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
It's double the trouble right now because the people who were playing standard refuse to pay to get back in. Phoenix is not worth 30 to most consumers.
I know this is an old post, but just want to throw two words in here..."confirmation bias." I got 3x Fatal Push in my one box of AER I bought. Was I lucky as hell? Yes. Does it show that your assumption that Push is more rare than other AER uncommons is incorrect? Likely yes.
Further reference:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/156158319713/theres-a-conspiracy-theory-going-around-that
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people could get their playsets for 250$ 1 month after release like clockwork
I'm a bit on the outside looking in. Although I've played magic for awhile, most of it has not been competitive constructed. I will say that it feels very expensive at this point, too expensive. I work full time in a white collar job and a big part of why I'm not interested in competitive play is the price. I just have tough time justifying the money for competitive standard. Sure I could be strategic in what deck I choose and take care in flipping everything to recoup most costs. But, that's not really a part of what makes magic fun. I know for many of you, magic is more than a simple game, but for the vast majority of those participating, that's exactly what magic is.
I'm very suprised that WOTC isn't doing more to bring down prices to make competitive play more accessible, thus converting more casual players to long-term, more involved, and most importantly, higher spending players. I'm excited for things like MTG Arena, which I think has the opportunity to really grow the player base and help build a larger, more mainstream competitive scene. But ultimately, if people have to spend hundreds just to be competitive, I don't see it growing that much. Price does matter, even in very small amounts. Think of how f2p games took over the esports scene.
If I had to throw out a number, (IMO, totally speculative, etc.) I think $100 for a competitive constructed deck would be a reasonable price for most people. [Now lets make it happen WOTC!]
Also, to throw my hat into the what drives pricing argument, I would agree that lowering the price of booster packs and/or decreasing the statistical rarity of in demand cards would decrease the cost of an competitive deck. How any card is accessed in the very beginning is through the purchase and opening of a pack. The cost of the pack is thus priced into the cost of any single. Lower costs would allow the opening of more packs for the same price, which would result in more cards for the same price, which would allow for more valuable cards to turn up as well. Decreasing rarity would have a similar effect in increasing the supply of valuable cards, as more of them would just turn up even if you bought the same number of packs as before.
Basic principal is that as supply increases relative to demand, prices go down. It's true that sellers can sell at whatever price they want, but assuming that buyers are looking for the lowest price possible, sellers must lower prices to remain competitive in the market. The more cards there are, the more sellers must compete and price lower. This assumes there isn't any sort of monopoly or price fixing. But since there are so many individual sellers (i.e., ebay, card shops), I don't think the singles market has these issues.
The problem isn't with just standard. Everything is expensive at the moment.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The trouble with this game is that the lack of any kind of regulating force is creating a really toxic market for players. Also can't say I'm a fan of the insufficient support for modern. I'm really hoping the company has a better 2019 than their 2017-2018 years or they could very well end up destroying their own cash cow.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Not sure I can be optimistic since the only good decisions they seem to be making are the ones where they walk back stupid ones.