He drew a land off a Read the Bones in which he didn't even resolve the scry on! He drew two cards, took no time to tank on it, i.e., plan out how he was going to cheat, and just played a second land.
Wrong. He did not play it immediately, he activated his ugin first and then pointed out to his opponent that he kills his tokens, then when opponent is putting the tokens aside, Chapin plays the land and snap taps it to play Elspeth.
He was behind on board, in a game that was quickly coming to a close in terms of time, and he saw a line and took it. In the process, he blanked on the fact that before he cast the Read the Bones, which he improperly resolved, that he had played a land. It is totally conceivable to me that it would slip his mind if he became flustered about realizing that he misplayed the Read and then still saw a line, which could pull him back into the game.
So we have two options:
1. Magic professional and Pro Tour Hall of Famer forgot that he played a scryland just 20 seconds before and made a honest mistake...
2. ...or he realized that he is going to lose the game anyway if he doesn't play an Elspeth that turn and went for the freeroll option of playing a second land.
Seriously I do not understand the Adrian Sullivan butthurt.
Also the amount of UB control is probably because of the expected Abzan representation. Abzan is consistently powerful, but UB is pretty favorable especially for experienced pilots of the deck. It would be a great call this weekend against expected mid range lists.
You are 100% right blackcat, being a pro and hall of famer automatically eliminates the possibility that you can make an honest mistake.
Patrick Chapin is one of the most, if not the most honest person on the tour. People make mistakes. Now if Patrick continues to have these mistakes and they start becoming "mistakes" then I will listen to these ludicrous accusations.
Me and my friend's experiences with chapin do not confirm your statement koopa. Had a big stink at GP Charlotte 2013 with my friend. Chapin is on the bant control list all the pros were on at the time. My friend was playing mono red. My friend is going to kill chapin this turn. All of a sudden chapin starts taking his turn after my friend resolves a spell. My friend immediately calls a judge. Chapin gets all upset about calling a judge. The judge reverses game state (chapin only untapped but did not draw). My friend wins game 1. The rest of the match chapin is salty as hell. Immediately after match is over my friend gets a "random" deck check. He gets 3 more "random" deck checks through out the day.
That play by him today was out right cheating. You literally scryed with your land. You led with the play. The first and last plays of a turn are the easiest to recall. You cannot honestly tell me that he didn't remember that he had played a land that turn. At the same time if he did not play elspeth that turn he loses. To me that is a history of making questionable plays at the very linchpin of a game.
People cheat and you cannot stop them. You can only police it. Unless some examples are made of some pro players with heavy bans or life time bans this won't change. I do not like the other issue the hall of famers are untouchables.
The more I watch the film of Chapin, the more I believe he played that 2nd land intentionally. He conveniently did it while his opponent was occupied picking up tokens. Now, in all regards, his opponent should have caught the extra land, the judge also should have caught it. I don't think Chapin was intentionally trying to draw Tasigur without revealing it however, and I could have understood that being downgraded to a warning. I do however think it was fitting that the 'karma' so to speak caught up to him from playing the 2nd land in a turn. I have also met Patrick once, at GP Cincinnati in 2013, and he was less then a humble guy and did not come off as someone I would look up to in the Magic Community.
On a more positive note, I'm completely rooting for Sullivan to win tomorrow. I enjoy watching him play magic and believe he's a fantastic player.
I am hoping that Ondrej Strasky wins. His deck is awesome and I really like See the Unwritten. Also, if he wins, he'll be tied with Sam Black for 2nd place in the Player of the Year race at 57 points behind Eric Froehlich's 60 points, which will make the race more interesting than it would be with anyone else without major results this season winning.
I am hoping that Ondrej Strasky wins. His deck is awesome and I really like See the Unwritten. Also, if he wins, he'll be tied with Sam Black for 2nd place in the Player of the Year race at 57 points behind Eric Froehlich's 60 points, which will make the race more interesting than it would be with anyone without major results this season winning.
You are 100% right blackcat, being a pro and hall of famer automatically eliminates the possibility that you can make an honest mistake.
No it doesn't. I said there are two options. We will never find out if it was deliberate or not. In this case, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
Patrick Chapin is one of the most, if not the most honest person on the tour.
How do you determine this? I know he has a good reputation but I also know that he is one of the spikiest players on the tour.
I also heard him say to the head judge that he only put the card on top of his other cards and never picked them up which isn't true. He must have a really bad memory...
Now if Patrick continues to have these mistakes and they start becoming "mistakes" then I will listen
maybe it was a one time thing in the heat of the moment? I am not saying 'omg Chapin is a cheat0r', I say there is a non 0 chance he knowingly played a second land in this instance.
Not a free roll if his reputation is damaged in the process.
His reputation isn't damaged. 95%+ believe it was a honest mistake, there was more backlash about the judges who gave him a game loss for a textbook GRV.
Yeah that was a pretty sketchy play by Chapin there. The timing of it with the usage of Ugin struck me too. Also don't feel the magic commentary was bad there. It's no different than baseball commentators talking about an absurd coach challenge of a play. They commented on it and gave voice to what we all thought. Chapin was reaching for straws.
It's a shame that Stephen Speck turned out to be a cheater. We already knew that Dezani had unsportsmanlike behavior, but I've met Speck before and thought he was clean.
Relax the other side of the bracket has lots of dragons and dragons of takrir cards.
Well mono red winning is not good for A S :S.. time to find out if UB can posibility win that. As a UB player I wanted to see a Shoota vs A.S. in the final so they answer the question which version is better, I believe they drew in the constructed swiss rounds of the Pro tour.
I am not sure Hedriks did things obviously wrong, we can see the cards he can't. He managed to not walk into negate that second game. I think he probably shouldn't of given A. S so much time aetherspouts wouldn't of been enough. Game 1 he overextended though. I feel like his mistake was playing the arbor collossus game one not game three.
Relax the other side of the bracket has lots of dragons and dragons of takrir cards.
Well mono red winning is not good for A S :S.. time to find out if UB can posibility win that. As a UB player I wanted to see a Shoota vs A.S. in the final so they answer the question which version is better, I believe they drew in the constructed swiss rounds of the Pro tour.
I am not sure Hedriks did things obviously wrong, we can see the cards he can't. He managed to not walk into negate that second game. I think he probably shouldn't of given A. S so much time aetherspouts wouldn't of been enough. Game 1 he overextended though. I feel like his mistake was playing the arbor collossus game one not game three.
The Genesis Hydra was greedy, he had a single Reclamation Sage that would make it work. Nissa was his 2nd best option but going into topdeck mode with a 4/4 against a 13 life UB control opponent is not a winning situation.
Sullivan never really had a chance, he had a very good starting hand game 2 and still couldn't pull it out. Whiffing on the Interpret the Signs didn't help either. That match up is extremely difficult especially with Sullivan's list.
Shame Sullivan could't find a Dig or Ingenuity. Maybe he'll be reconsidering interpret the signs after that.
Also, "ding dong dang"? Really Hagon? Guess he hasn't heard enough jokes about East Asians...
Didn't he scry an Ultimate Price to the top? He practically dug 4 cards deep to his library which was the same as casting an Opportunity.
You scry and then reveal. He scryed swamp, fountain, ultimate price. Put swamp on the bottom. revealed ultimate price, netting him 2 cards total. Upsided Divination for 6? Pass.
Shame Sullivan could't find a Dig or Ingenuity. Maybe he'll be reconsidering interpret the signs after that.
Also, "ding dong dang"? Really Hagon? Guess he hasn't heard enough jokes about East Asians...
Didn't he scry an Ultimate Price to the top? He practically dug 4 cards deep to his library which was the same as casting an Opportunity.
You scry and then reveal. He scryed swamp, fountain, ultimate price. Put swamp on the bottom. revealed ultimate price, netting him 2 cards total. Upsided Divination for 6? Pass.
He scried 2 lands to bottom which were dead cards at that moment, then drew. so functionally it was an Opportunity.
EDIT: if he only bottomed the swamp, it was still the same as drawing 3 (Jace's Ingenuity).
These games are rather farcical. Red deck wins isn't really very entertaining to watch. Guessing the last two games will be like the first 3, decided by who's on the play.
What do you expect?
That's the entire point of Mono-Red and Aggro decks in general.
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Wrong. He did not play it immediately, he activated his ugin first and then pointed out to his opponent that he kills his tokens, then when opponent is putting the tokens aside, Chapin plays the land and snap taps it to play Elspeth.
So we have two options:
1. Magic professional and Pro Tour Hall of Famer forgot that he played a scryland just 20 seconds before and made a honest mistake...
2. ...or he realized that he is going to lose the game anyway if he doesn't play an Elspeth that turn and went for the freeroll option of playing a second land.
Also the amount of UB control is probably because of the expected Abzan representation. Abzan is consistently powerful, but UB is pretty favorable especially for experienced pilots of the deck. It would be a great call this weekend against expected mid range lists.
Patrick Chapin is one of the most, if not the most honest person on the tour. People make mistakes. Now if Patrick continues to have these mistakes and they start becoming "mistakes" then I will listen to these ludicrous accusations.
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That play by him today was out right cheating. You literally scryed with your land. You led with the play. The first and last plays of a turn are the easiest to recall. You cannot honestly tell me that he didn't remember that he had played a land that turn. At the same time if he did not play elspeth that turn he loses. To me that is a history of making questionable plays at the very linchpin of a game.
People cheat and you cannot stop them. You can only police it. Unless some examples are made of some pro players with heavy bans or life time bans this won't change. I do not like the other issue the hall of famers are untouchables.
On a more positive note, I'm completely rooting for Sullivan to win tomorrow. I enjoy watching him play magic and believe he's a fantastic player.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
No it doesn't. I said there are two options. We will never find out if it was deliberate or not. In this case, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
How do you determine this? I know he has a good reputation but I also know that he is one of the spikiest players on the tour.
I also heard him say to the head judge that he only put the card on top of his other cards and never picked them up which isn't true. He must have a really bad memory...
maybe it was a one time thing in the heat of the moment? I am not saying 'omg Chapin is a cheat0r', I say there is a non 0 chance he knowingly played a second land in this instance.
Why do I have this feeling that if it wasn't everyones favourite magic player but some random guy, the reactions would be way different.
His reputation isn't damaged. 95%+ believe it was a honest mistake, there was more backlash about the judges who gave him a game loss for a textbook GRV.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Well mono red winning is not good for A S :S.. time to find out if UB can posibility win that. As a UB player I wanted to see a Shoota vs A.S. in the final so they answer the question which version is better, I believe they drew in the constructed swiss rounds of the Pro tour.
I am not sure Hedriks did things obviously wrong, we can see the cards he can't. He managed to not walk into negate that second game. I think he probably shouldn't of given A. S so much time aetherspouts wouldn't of been enough. Game 1 he overextended though. I feel like his mistake was playing the arbor collossus game one not game three.
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The Genesis Hydra was greedy, he had a single Reclamation Sage that would make it work. Nissa was his 2nd best option but going into topdeck mode with a 4/4 against a 13 life UB control opponent is not a winning situation.
As a side note I went to Uni with Patrick Robinson... but I didn't play magic then.
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Also, "ding dong dang"? Really Hagon? Guess he hasn't heard enough jokes about East Asians...
Didn't he scry an Ultimate Price to the top? He practically dug 4 cards deep to his library which was the same as casting an Opportunity.
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You scry and then reveal. He scryed swamp, fountain, ultimate price. Put swamp on the bottom. revealed ultimate price, netting him 2 cards total. Upsided Divination for 6? Pass.
He scried 2 lands to bottom which were dead cards at that moment, then drew. so functionally it was an Opportunity.
EDIT: if he only bottomed the swamp, it was still the same as drawing 3 (Jace's Ingenuity).
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What do you expect?
That's the entire point of Mono-Red and Aggro decks in general.