Ok so why isn't Abzan Ascendancy being played this card seems insane. Get an anthem effect the turn it comes down and every creature turns into Doomed Traveler, seems pretty gross with manifest and boardwipes.
- Control doesn't need it.
- Aggro does just fine against boardwipe decks.
- Whip decks MAYBE can use it, but their 75 is rather full and again, they don't fear boardwipes.
- Most of these decks have a very full 3 CMC slot.
It's potentially useless if you don't have creatures out before playing it. It gets a lot of value out of having multiple creatures out beforehand, but in Abzan colors that means you're winning already. Plus, any creature played after it doesn't get the counters.
If GW Manifest evolves into Abzan colors, I can see it being played though.
I also think GW devotion might start playing with it. It's not that hard for them to splash black (mana confluence/Sylvan Caryatid). Turning all manifested creatures into 3/3s that leave 1/1 flyers behind seems pretty good to me.
Add Altar of the Brood and you've got a pretty legit Mill deck haha. Would work great in the mirror too.
imo standard frequently turns into both players having 4-5-6 creatures each that can't profitably attack and so this card can actually be very strong for breaking through that sort of thing. and because most board wipes (aside from drown in sorrow which doesn't even necessarily wipe your 2/4s and 0/3s and 4/5s) are 5 mana, this thing can get in before those drop.
however i had to consider the active board state of standard games, i think if you look at this card in a vacuum you might see 'oh it's a conditional enchantment that doesn't do as much if i'm not already in a very good position with tons of creatures.'
it also has to compete with other cards in your 75 and some people might just prefer to draw a removal spell or bomb or something that is a little bit more proactive.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire." - Jaya Ballard
Abzan ascendancy works well with Whisperwood elemental and your own boardwipes. Double your own army and take out theirs. But I guess that interaction has basically already been talked about, with GW devotion possibly running it.
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I really like it for is its interaction with Athreos, God of Passage, since you get the tokens anyway, and should be able to keep some of your own creatures.
- Control doesn't need it.
- Aggro does just fine against boardwipe decks.
- Whip decks MAYBE can use it, but their 75 is rather full and again, they don't fear boardwipes.
- Most of these decks have a very full 3 CMC slot.
It's potentially useless if you don't have creatures out before playing it. It gets a lot of value out of having multiple creatures out beforehand, but in Abzan colors that means you're winning already. Plus, any creature played after it doesn't get the counters.
If GW Manifest evolves into Abzan colors, I can see it being played though.
Standard: BG Golgari Midrange
Modern: U Merfolk GWUBR 5 Color Humans UBW Esper Gifts GW Bogles
Add Altar of the Brood and you've got a pretty legit Mill deck haha. Would work great in the mirror too.
however i had to consider the active board state of standard games, i think if you look at this card in a vacuum you might see 'oh it's a conditional enchantment that doesn't do as much if i'm not already in a very good position with tons of creatures.'
it also has to compete with other cards in your 75 and some people might just prefer to draw a removal spell or bomb or something that is a little bit more proactive.
"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire." - Jaya Ballard
About Mindslaver rulings:
Bloodsoaked champion
Soldier of the Pantheon
Abzan Ascendancy
Whisperwood Elemental
Mastery of the unseen????
Atheros, God of Passage
I mean, this seems solid. I feel like it just need to be filled out from there. Siege Rhino?
About Mindslaver rulings:
4x Caves of Koilos
1x Forest
4x Llanowar Wastes
2x Mana Confluence
1x Plains
4x Sandsteppe Citadel
1x Swamp
4x Temple of Plenty
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Windswept Heath
Creature
2x Anafenza, the Foremost
2x Athreos, God of Passage
3x Courser of Kruphix
4x Fleecemane Lion
4x High Sentinels of Arashin
4x Siege Rhino
3x Abzan Charm
3x Hero's Downfall
1x Utter End
Enchantment
3x Abzan Ascendancy
2x Citadel Siege
Sorcery
2x End Hostilities
3x Thoughtseize
Planeswalker
1x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
3x Bile Blight
3x Drown in Sorrow
1x End Hostilities
4x Erase
2x Palace Siege
1x Thoughtseize
1x Utter End