MTG Salvation

I am looking at building a W/B based control build, and am looking at something that could use Eidolon of Rhetoric and Spirit of the Labyrinth in a deck. Are there any builds which use these? If not, are there any control builds in these colors?

The cost of playing Abzan or Mardu just isn't that high. You get more scry lands, you get access to more removal spells and win conditions.

• Siege Rhino
  
• Courser of Kruphix
  
• Abzan Charm
  
• Garruk, Apex Predator

Not playing these cards just makes your deck worse. With Sandsteppe Citadel your mana is perfect most of the time anyway.

You can play just Orzhov if you like but then you're going to have to rely on Sign in Blood and Read the Bones for your card draw and your biggest creature is going to be Brimaz, King of Orekos which dies to Stokes the Flames. Maybe your could try something like Archfiend of Depravity.

Would an Orzhov Aggro build be a better endeavour?

You could build a white/black warrior deck. It has some fun support cards like Chief of the Edge, and gets some new cards in Dragons of Tarkir.

I agree with lunch. Adding green gives you some neat tricks. I was brewing a deck that ran Palace Siege and a heavy control package. I was kind of stuck on what I wanted to actually be doing. It seems like running Course of Kruphix and Siege Rhino just kind of get you there. It's really something I want to make work.

You could try Myth Realized and Seeker of the Way in a removal and card draw heavy build, Elspeth, Sun's Champion finishes the game. There's that new black X spell that can draw you cards. Speaking of X spells, Empty the Pits and Secure the Wastes could be win cons.

You could always brew one!

• Banishing Light
  
• Devouring Light
  
• Hero's Downfall
  
• Bile Blight
  
• Thoughtseize
  
• Elspeth, Sun's Champion
  
• Sorin, Solemn Visitor
  
• Ugin, Spirit Dragon
  
• Myth Realized

You have good removal but no true countermagic.

Thanks for all the suggestions and ideas to brew around. I have been looking at this for some time, and have noticed some new tools to build with Dragons being released too.

Ultimate Price
Defeat
Pacifism

Here is what I have thrown together.

Quote from monocolormonster »

Thanks for all the suggestions and ideas to brew around. I have been looking at this for some time, and have noticed some new tools to build with Dragons being released too.

Ultimate Price
Defeat
Pacifism

Here is what I have thrown together.

ACRR-'s DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Sorceries 3x Bitter Revelation 2x Damnable Pact 4x End Hostilities 4x Sign in Blood 4x Thoughtseize Instants 3x Hero's Downfall 3x Murderous Cut 4x Ultimate Price 3x Utter End	Enchantments 4x Banishing Light 4x Myth Realized Planeswalkers 2x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon Land 4x Caves of Koilos 7x Plains 9x Swamp 4x Temple of Silence	Sideboard 3x Bile Blight 3x Drown in Sorrow 4x Duress 3x Erase 2x Valorous Stance

Not sure I really like Bitter Revelation. It's slow and only fuels Murderous Cut and you are losing a lot of life with Sign in Blood and Thoughtseize already. I would probably add a couple more threats/win cons instead of just Myth and Ugin.

-3 Bitter Revelation
-1 Sign in Blood

+2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
+2 Palace Siege?

I'm not sure what the 2nd +2 should be but I think you want Elspeth in your deck.

Quote from monocolormonster »

Thanks for all the suggestions and ideas to brew around. I have been looking at this for some time, and have noticed some new tools to build with Dragons being released too.

Ultimate Price
Defeat
Pacifism

Here is what I have thrown together.

RomanDark's DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Sorceries 3x Bitter Revelation 2x Damnable Pact 4x End Hostilities 4x Sign in Blood 4x Thoughtseize Instants 3x Hero's Downfall 3x Murderous Cut 4x Ultimate Price 3x Utter End	Enchantments 4x Banishing Light 4x Myth Realized Planeswalkers 2x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon Land 4x Caves of Koilos 7x Plains 9x Swamp 4x Temple of Silence	Sideboard 3x Bile Blight 3x Drown in Sorrow 4x Duress 3x Erase 2x Valorous Stance

I would definitely try and fit Seeker of the Way into this build. You can usually turn 1 Thoughtseize or Duress and get rid of any removal they might have then jam him turn 2 if the coast is clear. From there you play removal/draw card while you swing in with lifelink to recoup some of the life loss this deck suffers from. I also think Elspeth, Sun's Champion is a better wincon for this deck than Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. Elspeth comes down earlier, gets increasing amounts of damage in (3 then 6 then 9 etc... as opposed to only 3 each turn) and her wipe will never hit anything of yours. Ugin can be awkward with Myth Realized and Banishing Light.

Edit: My suggestion on what to take out would be either Bitter Revelation or Ultimate Price. You have Banishing Light, Murderous Cut, Utter End, and Hero's Downfall which all can kill just about ANY creature so having a removal spell that only hits certain creatures doesn't seem as great.