As a foil to the underrated card thread, here is the overrated card thread.
This is not a thread to rant about a card you dislike. This is about what card has the most hype or played despite not actually being good to you in standard at the time of your posting. Remember to respect everyone's opinion even if you disagree with it.
Ugin. This card has been given credit for beating Whip and/or Hornet Queen, archetypes/cards that have suffered more from the glut of aggro decks and the increased use of Drown in Sorrow over Bile Blight than from control, which is still a poor matchup for the control player unless they can resolve (and keep alive) Ashiok. Ugin's not a horrible finisher, but does nothing that Crux of Fate or Perilous Vault doesn't against the same decks, and is helpless in the face of Torrent Elemental.
It seems to be overreaction to Ugin that spawned the new GW devotion deck, but that would evidently have been a very strong deck even in the absence of an expensive, generally one-shot sweeper that misses colourless permanents.
In the same decks, and I'm not sure it's fair to call it overrated since it seems to be used more as a 'least worst' option than a good one: Silumgar, the Drifting Death. It's a good rule of thumb that its control finisher should not be indefinitely blockable, and at least Prognostic Sphinx gives you a useful scry effect if it attacks into a wall. UB strategies running this card over PLA really don't seem to have paid off in my experience; occasions where the synergy with Crux of Fate is relevant seem rather few in practice.
Monastery Mentor. When it was spoiled, everyone I talked to lost their minds over it, especially since we know how good Young Pyromancer is. Unfortunately, it has really yet to find a home in Standard and, though I really like the card, I don't see it doing much until stuff like Bile Blight and Goblin Rabblemaster rotate out.
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Monastery Mentor. When it was spoiled, everyone I talked to lost their minds over it, especially since we know how good Young Pyromancer is. Unfortunately, it has really yet to find a home in Standard and, though I really like the card, I don't see it doing much until stuff like Bile Blight and Goblin Rabblemaster rotate out.
For precisely this reason it's hard to call it overrated - no one seems to expect it to do much of anything. Possibly it's a sleeper, but as far as I know it hasn't made any impact in older formats either, where it was also predicted to see a lot of use and no one plays Goblin Rabblemaster.
I have my 4 copies (paid a pretty penny for them). I love the card, it is fantastic. It can take over games by itself... but, right now, it seems that rabble master can do that more consistently. Once he rotates out I imagine he/she is going to be a house.
Valorous Stance. It looked so good when it was spoiled and still isn't bad but I see people with way too many of them in their 75.
The removal is too conditional and the protection is too limited for standard right now. 2 of in the 75 at most IMO.
In Abzan yes but in RW or Jeskai hell no.
It clears most blockers you can worry about (Courser, Whisperwood, Polukranos, Rhino) since anything smaller you can burn it. If you're lacking targets, just use on your creatures: saving a Rabblemaster from dying on combat or from removal (especially mass removal) can easily seal games. It may be bad if you topdeck on an empty board, but then you probably lost anyway. As a card that can net wins that may be otherwise lost, it is a solid 4-of. Only Monored aggo is the only case where it can be bad.
Valorous Stance. It looked so good when it was spoiled and still isn't bad but I see people with way too many of them in their 75.
The removal is too conditional and the protection is too limited for standard right now. 2 of in the 75 at most IMO.
In Abzan yes but in RW or Jeskai hell no.
It clears most blockers you can worry about (Courser, Whisperwood, Polukranos, Rhino) since anything smaller you can burn it. If you're lacking targets, just use on your creatures: saving a Rabblemaster from dying on combat or from removal (especially mass removal) can easily seal games. It may be bad if you topdeck on an empty board, but then you probably lost anyway. As a card that can net wins that may be otherwise lost, it is a solid 4-of. Only Monored aggo is the only case where it can be bad.
yeah its good in those decks but I still disagree with 4 of them in it, especially in Jeskai where you have access to so much awesome burn.
Its a good card, I won't argue against that, I just think it is overrated and people are trying to jam it places it doesn't belong.
Valorous Stance. It looked so good when it was spoiled and still isn't bad but I see people with way too many of them in their 75.
The removal is too conditional and the protection is too limited for standard right now. 2 of in the 75 at most IMO.
I'm in the camp that considered it overhyped at the time, but while I haven't come up against it results suggest it's proven to be worth its place - the removal mode remains relatively weak, but from reports I've seen the protection side has proven much more relevant in more varied decks than I'd anticipated.
Valorous Stance. It looked so good when it was spoiled and still isn't bad but I see people with way too many of them in their 75.
The removal is too conditional and the protection is too limited for standard right now. 2 of in the 75 at most IMO.
I think 3 is a good number, not 4, but it is really good in white aggro decks. It clears the most troublesome blockers (Courser, Rhino, Doomwake Giant, Whisperwood Elemental) or can save an important creature from removal. For slower midrange decks, they want to run less (1-2, since they can utilize more expensive and better removal).
Mastery of the Unseen. I'm expecting more results like the last scg open. Once you start interacting with GW player in the right ways, the deck becomes a pile of clunky cards. Still good, but by no means a boogieman of the format.
Tasigur is almost a free Finisher in a lot of decks. I wouldn't under estimate Tasigur, The Golden fang ability either the card advantage it spits out will bury most players if not dealt with quickly.
Given the votes Tasigur's getting, it would be helpful to know why people think he's bad in Standard. I wouldn't say he overperforms, but in my experience he's as capable as you'd expect a large, cheap body to be, and his card advantage tends to ensure victory in stalled games or vs. control when he survives. Outside Waste Not decks he's certainly superior to Gurmag Angler; there are multiple ways of getting 4-5 cards into the yard reliably by turn 3, but none that can consistently do the same for 6. And unlike Angler he's not just a fatty without evasion if you draw him late.
I was running 4 for a while in a jeskai deck. In matchups where the protection mode is primary way it's going to be used, 4 is too clunky. But it's never really a 100% dead card.
Tasigur. He just isn't that good, certainly not good enough to warrant his pricetag.
Tasigur is playable in Modern and Legacy. That's pretty good.
This is the Standard forum. In standard, he's bad. Like, nerfed gurmag angler bad.
I really have to disagree with this after I've played with Tassy for a while. It's a very good creature. Not the most amaze-balls thing I've ever cast, but extremely solid and a good tempo play. His ability is quite relevant if you use it correctly, and the one less mana cost over Angler is actually a huge deal for decks that either have their graveyard taxed heavily to begin with (due to delve) or ones that are not quite as quick to fill it such as with Abzan. The difference in that one mana is a consistent turn 3-4 creature or a consistent turn 4-5 creature. And that's actually incredibly important given how the format has shaped up.
Isn't this suppose to be the overrated thread, not the cards you personally hate thread. Valorous Stance sees tons of play in the most competitive decks, I don't think it can be overrated. Mentor I agree didn't really go anywhere. Young Pyromancer was a 4 of mainboard staple in R/W burn deck so saying it never mattered is just a lie. I've seen late game tasigurs just turn a game around with relevant card draw every turn, a 1 mana 4/5 doesn't seems seem overrated.
Personally I think Sorin is extremely overrated. Tired of seeing him jammed into control lists where he does next to nothing. Unless you're ahead on board he has such minimal impact, probably the worst planeswalker to play on an empty board, barely threatens and can't stabilize unless you have a good board.
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This is not a thread to rant about a card you dislike. This is about what card has the most hype or played despite not actually being good to you in standard at the time of your posting. Remember to respect everyone's opinion even if you disagree with it.
So highly rated, so terrible in practice. (in standard)
It seems to be overreaction to Ugin that spawned the new GW devotion deck, but that would evidently have been a very strong deck even in the absence of an expensive, generally one-shot sweeper that misses colourless permanents.
In the same decks, and I'm not sure it's fair to call it overrated since it seems to be used more as a 'least worst' option than a good one: Silumgar, the Drifting Death. It's a good rule of thumb that its control finisher should not be indefinitely blockable, and at least Prognostic Sphinx gives you a useful scry effect if it attacks into a wall. UB strategies running this card over PLA really don't seem to have paid off in my experience; occasions where the synergy with Crux of Fate is relevant seem rather few in practice.
For precisely this reason it's hard to call it overrated - no one seems to expect it to do much of anything. Possibly it's a sleeper, but as far as I know it hasn't made any impact in older formats either, where it was also predicted to see a lot of use and no one plays Goblin Rabblemaster.
The removal is too conditional and the protection is too limited for standard right now. 2 of in the 75 at most IMO.
I have my 4 copies (paid a pretty penny for them). I love the card, it is fantastic. It can take over games by itself... but, right now, it seems that rabble master can do that more consistently. Once he rotates out I imagine he/she is going to be a house.
In Abzan yes but in RW or Jeskai hell no.
It clears most blockers you can worry about (Courser, Whisperwood, Polukranos, Rhino) since anything smaller you can burn it. If you're lacking targets, just use on your creatures: saving a Rabblemaster from dying on combat or from removal (especially mass removal) can easily seal games. It may be bad if you topdeck on an empty board, but then you probably lost anyway. As a card that can net wins that may be otherwise lost, it is a solid 4-of. Only Monored aggo is the only case where it can be bad.
yeah its good in those decks but I still disagree with 4 of them in it, especially in Jeskai where you have access to so much awesome burn.
Its a good card, I won't argue against that, I just think it is overrated and people are trying to jam it places it doesn't belong.
I'm in the camp that considered it overhyped at the time, but while I haven't come up against it results suggest it's proven to be worth its place - the removal mode remains relatively weak, but from reports I've seen the protection side has proven much more relevant in more varied decks than I'd anticipated.
I think 3 is a good number, not 4, but it is really good in white aggro decks. It clears the most troublesome blockers (Courser, Rhino, Doomwake Giant, Whisperwood Elemental) or can save an important creature from removal. For slower midrange decks, they want to run less (1-2, since they can utilize more expensive and better removal).
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Do you mean mastery of the unseen?
I did, thanks for pointing out my mistake. lots of "un"-things in this block.
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Tasigur is playable in Modern and Legacy. That's pretty good.
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This is the Standard forum. In standard, he's bad. Like, nerfed gurmag angler bad.
Young Pyromancer dominated modern for months and never mattered for a single day in standard.
Tasigur is bad in standard? well, whatever. His price tag is still easily justified given how widely he sees play
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I was running 4 for a while in a jeskai deck. In matchups where the protection mode is primary way it's going to be used, 4 is too clunky. But it's never really a 100% dead card.
I really have to disagree with this after I've played with Tassy for a while. It's a very good creature. Not the most amaze-balls thing I've ever cast, but extremely solid and a good tempo play. His ability is quite relevant if you use it correctly, and the one less mana cost over Angler is actually a huge deal for decks that either have their graveyard taxed heavily to begin with (due to delve) or ones that are not quite as quick to fill it such as with Abzan. The difference in that one mana is a consistent turn 3-4 creature or a consistent turn 4-5 creature. And that's actually incredibly important given how the format has shaped up.
Degenerate strategies that involve buckets of green mana are super easy to hate out.
I just loathe it when these decks do well.
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It's a good card (and legitimately playable) but still overrated.
Personally I think Sorin is extremely overrated. Tired of seeing him jammed into control lists where he does next to nothing. Unless you're ahead on board he has such minimal impact, probably the worst planeswalker to play on an empty board, barely threatens and can't stabilize unless you have a good board.