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Anyone that missed the coverage missed some of the most masterful games of mono red aggro piloted by JB Milo, that kid is insanely skilled with that deck.
Anyone that missed the coverage missed some of the most masterful games of mono red aggro piloted by JB Milo, that kid is insanely skilled with that deck.
Er, that kid made a huge mistake in the top 8 that cost him the match. If he knew he had to resort to a top deck to win, there was no reason to block the way he did against the Jeskai players final attack.
To re-cap, the Mono R player was at 5 life and the Jeskai player was also at 5. Jeskai had a Mantis Rider and Rabble in play, R player has a Foundry Street Denizen and Mardu Scout. Jeskai attacks and R blocks the goblin token with Denizen and the Rabble with Scout. Before damage, the R player had enough creatures and mana to play his last card and Stoke Jeskai to the face, brining him down to 1. Damage resolves; Goblin token, Denizen, Rabble, and Scout all die, Matis Rider brings R down to 2. Next turn, R draws a Searing Blood and concedes.
What he SHOULD have done was chump the Rabble with Denizen, still Stoke to the face, and not block the Mantis Rider or the Goblin token and go down to 1. In that case any haste creature would have won and Searing Blood would have also won. He played to his outs horribly, so who knows what you are talking about... i thought that last turn should have been pretty obvious to any aggro player.
Anyone that missed the coverage missed some of the most masterful games of mono red aggro piloted by JB Milo, that kid is insanely skilled with that deck.
Er, that kid made a huge mistake in the top 8 that cost him the match. If he knew he had to resort to a top deck to win, there was no reason to block the way he did against the Jeskai players final attack.
To re-cap, the Mono R player was at 5 life and the Jeskai player was also at 5. Jeskai had a Mantis Rider and Rabble in play, R player has a Foundry Street Denizen and Mardu Scout. Jeskai attacks and R blocks the goblin token with Denizen and the Rabble with Scout. Before damage, the R player had enough creatures and mana to play his last card and Stoke Jeskai to the face, brining him down to 1. Damage resolves; Goblin token, Denizen, Rabble, and Scout all die, Matis Rider brings R down to 2. Next turn, R draws a Searing Blood and concedes.
What he SHOULD have done was chump the Rabble with Denizen, still Stoke to the face, and not block the Mantis Rider or the Goblin token and go down to 1. In that case any haste creature would have won and Searing Blood would have also won. He played to his outs horribly, so who knows what you are talking about... i thought that last turn should have been pretty obvious to any aggro player.
this is spot on. I do think JB played very well until that point, so it was unfortunate that he punted the game away.
Didn't Davis have wild slash in his hand that would have killed JB if he didn't block the token?
He couldn't cast it because the Stoke put him to one, and his only red source was a Battlefield Forge.
JB played very well except for that one decision, which was probably harder to see than people here are making out. That was an awesome match to watch though, super close game 3.
Agreed, that kid was playing fantastic all tournament (at least from what we saw on the stream). We all wouldn't even be talking about it if he had top decked a mountain... but in hindsight he didn't play to his outs correctly.
The kid played incredibly well. It's obvious in hindsight that is what he should have done, but that was an hour plus match that was rather grueling and swingy. One thing which I did disagree with how he played was in the second game he had double Rabblemaster in hand and knew that Davis was holding back removal. When it came time to discard to 7, instead he jammed a Rabble knowing it would be shot down. I would have preferred to just throw a Lightning Strike to the dome and hold back your Rabble rather than not getting value from it at all.
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The kid played incredibly well. It's obvious in hindsight that is what he should have done, but that was an hour plus match that was rather grueling and swingy. One thing which I did disagree with how he played was in the second game he had double Rabblemaster in hand and knew that Davis was holding back removal. When it came time to discard to 7, instead he jammed a Rabble knowing it would be shot down. I would have preferred to just throw a Lightning Strike to the dome and hold back your Rabble rather than not getting value from it at all.
I don't think that's much different from the line he took. In either case you're tapping your mana on your turn to prevent discarding cards from hand. Keeping in mind how the game was shaping out, it's very possible that having a Lightning Strike in hand instead of a second Rabblemaster is more valuable.
Casting a Lightning Bolt with a mana left open still gives you access to Wild Slash to protect against Rabblemaster. I think Jim Davis ultimately tapped out for a Mantis Rider after he had tapped out for the Rabblemaster. When casting a burn spell at EOT would leave mana open to respond to that. It was odd that his hand forced this given that he just didn't have one or two drops, but it was a mull to five.
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Casting a Lightning Bolt with a mana left open still gives you access to Wild Slash to protect against Rabblemaster. I think Jim Davis ultimately tapped out for a Mantis Rider after he had tapped out for the Rabblemaster. When casting a burn spell at EOT would leave mana open to respond to that. It was odd that his hand forced this given that he just didn't have one or two drops, but it was a mull to five.
casting a burn spell pre-emptively EOT would be highly speculative since he might just draw a land and then he's down a burn spell for no good. He needed those Lightning Strikes for Mantis Riders and other threats.
Pretty easy to predict that deck was super easy to hate out with Back to Nature.
Some weeks people just bring the wrong sideboards and the pros clean up.
Sultai control is a great deck and I'm not sure Dragons has the answers because the removal spells only get better from here.
Sultai Charm is just so good against random enchantments. Hero's Downfall has proven its value over and over again.
Will being able to sideboard into dragons be helpful against Crux of Fate or doesn't Sultai rely on it too heavily?
I do think Jim was probably a bit unlucky and we didn't get to see a real game 1. Outpost Siege, Valorous Stance and Wild Slash power the old Jeskai deck from languishing in tier 2 straight back up into tier 1.
I'm going to stop short of discussing new decks and new archetypes because this isn't really the place. The format is only just adjusting to Fate Reforged and we're already moving on. Very short cycle there.
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Er, that kid made a huge mistake in the top 8 that cost him the match. If he knew he had to resort to a top deck to win, there was no reason to block the way he did against the Jeskai players final attack.
To re-cap, the Mono R player was at 5 life and the Jeskai player was also at 5. Jeskai had a Mantis Rider and Rabble in play, R player has a Foundry Street Denizen and Mardu Scout. Jeskai attacks and R blocks the goblin token with Denizen and the Rabble with Scout. Before damage, the R player had enough creatures and mana to play his last card and Stoke Jeskai to the face, brining him down to 1. Damage resolves; Goblin token, Denizen, Rabble, and Scout all die, Matis Rider brings R down to 2. Next turn, R draws a Searing Blood and concedes.
What he SHOULD have done was chump the Rabble with Denizen, still Stoke to the face, and not block the Mantis Rider or the Goblin token and go down to 1. In that case any haste creature would have won and Searing Blood would have also won. He played to his outs horribly, so who knows what you are talking about... i thought that last turn should have been pretty obvious to any aggro player.
this is spot on. I do think JB played very well until that point, so it was unfortunate that he punted the game away.
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Agreed, that kid was playing fantastic all tournament (at least from what we saw on the stream). We all wouldn't even be talking about it if he had top decked a mountain... but in hindsight he didn't play to his outs correctly.
I don't think that's much different from the line he took. In either case you're tapping your mana on your turn to prevent discarding cards from hand. Keeping in mind how the game was shaping out, it's very possible that having a Lightning Strike in hand instead of a second Rabblemaster is more valuable.
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casting a burn spell pre-emptively EOT would be highly speculative since he might just draw a land and then he's down a burn spell for no good. He needed those Lightning Strikes for Mantis Riders and other threats.
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Pretty easy to predict that deck was super easy to hate out with Back to Nature.
Some weeks people just bring the wrong sideboards and the pros clean up.
Sultai control is a great deck and I'm not sure Dragons has the answers because the removal spells only get better from here.
Sultai Charm is just so good against random enchantments. Hero's Downfall has proven its value over and over again.
Will being able to sideboard into dragons be helpful against Crux of Fate or doesn't Sultai rely on it too heavily?
I do think Jim was probably a bit unlucky and we didn't get to see a real game 1. Outpost Siege, Valorous Stance and Wild Slash power the old Jeskai deck from languishing in tier 2 straight back up into tier 1.
Abzan midrange might pick up elements of GW such as Mastery of the Unseen and Whisperwood Elemental and roll them into a new shell which is more threat dense than the new control lists meaning it doesn't just durdle until it dies to a resolved Ugin, the Spirit Dragon killing all the Monstrous Fleecemane Lions
I'm going to stop short of discussing new decks and new archetypes because this isn't really the place. The format is only just adjusting to Fate Reforged and we're already moving on. Very short cycle there.