don't be arrogant and thick. You can admit you had a different idea of the meaning, no biggie.
Actually, your links doesn't prove you're right at all. Nowhere in those links does it say that "underrated" means that it is "rated really low", which is what you claim.
UltraLunch has the correct understanding of the word.
Dissipate - With the amount of delve going around I could make the case that this is better then dissolve yet you see no one ever playing it
that scry one is just that good tho. you gotta hit your mana drops and dissolve helps you do that. late game you can tuck away any lands and smooth out draws a little.
And yes, I said "something that is rated really low". That is the same as saying "rated too low".
No, it isn't.
A card could be rated 9 out of 10, and still be underrated.
A card could be heavily played, and still be underrated.
In principle you could argue that the best and most played card in standard is underrated. And by that you would mean that it should be played even more than it is, and that players don't appreciate its true value.
Dude you're wrong. Period. There is no debate. You just do not understand the meaning of the word. That's it. There's nothing more complicated than that going on.
People rate things.
If they rate them too low, those things are underrated.
It's a relative term and has nothing to do with absolute values.
If a card is a 10/10 and people rate it 9/10, it's underrated. If a card is a 1/10 and people rate it 2/10, it's overrated.
Dude you're wrong. Period. There is no debate. You just do not understand the meaning of the word. That's it. There's nothing more complicated than that going on.
People rate things.
If they rate them too low, those things are underrated.
It's a relative term and has nothing to do with absolute values.
If a card is a 10/10 and people rate it 9/10, it's underrated. If a card is a 1/10 and people rate it 2/10, it's overrated.
Hate to break it to you but the above explanation is dead on. Over/underrating is entirely relative and occurs in varying degrees. Moving on.
I agree with a previous poster that the multicolored Gods are underrated. It's like they never found a proper home in a potent deck and were forgotten.
Don't laugh at altar of the brood. there's a killer deck for that card - i'm sure of it.
I actually have to disagree with that list. Although Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise were arguably "under-rated" at the beginning of Khans, that is no longer the case.
Anyone who follows modern knows the strength of these cards in eternal formats. *cough* banned into oblivion *cough*.
Current standard control lists also have acknowledged the pure strength of DTT. That is why you see in nearly all cases playsets of DTT. You could make the argument that TC is "underrated" in standard; however, that's due in part to a format that does not support it. TC is not as consistent in standard as it <was> in eternal formats.
Savage Knuckleblade, Anger of the Gods, End Hostilities, Keranos, and Ashiok I would argue are also not "under-rated cards". All of those cards are rated very highly. The problem? Those specific cards fall into "niche" roles. As a result they don't see alot of play and can be misinterpreted as "undervalued".
Clever impersonator; however, is the very definition of undervalued. No decks play it despite it having great potential. I think this is in part due to the legendary rule change.
Since "clone effects" can no longer kill legendary creatures, it becomes less impressive.
I know Tasigur is better but because he's legendary you don't want 4 copies of him in the deck(in theory).Also he can't kill Siege Rhino in combat.Honeslty i would haave both in the same deck
RedGauntlet, I understand and agree that the Angler is underrated and if Tasigur hadn't been printed, I think he'd be starting to see play (possibly even in Modern). But I don't think that dedicated delve decks (like Gerard Fabiano's list that won the SCG Open last weekend) have enough delve space to play him alongside Tasigur, DTT, and Murderous Cut, which are all stronger.
Speaking of which, I think Tasigur is still underrated, despite getting raves from many pros. For example, even Fabiano kept him in the sideboard - only to bring him in every game 2 I watched.
don't think some people know what "underrated" actually means.
This happens in Every. Single. Thread. asking what's the most underrated / underplayed card / deck. Go into Modern and ask what's the most underrated card, you'll get three or four derp responses: "Tarmogoyf! Man, is that card ever underrated!" Yeah, at $180 a pop, I'd hate to think what the price would be if it were overrated.
Don't dare mention an actual underrated / underplayed card, you'll get flamed to a crisp.
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Black has its first mono-colored, native hexproof creature and it hasn't so much as been drafted! WTH??? I've tested it out in mono-black aggro and it's a bomb. It's basically the black Invisible Stalker. Bestow Spiteful Returned or Herald of Torment on it, you're pretty much running black Bogles. When you don't have Mogis's Marauder forcing it through, you can hold back 4 mana so they don't dare block because you can give it first strike and deathtouch. Can also use the ability to hold it back and switch to the defensive, too. The one time it does get killed, that's the best place to spend a Boon of Erebos.
All of the above cards are already played in Top-8 mono-black aggro decks, except Slyblade. It's the proverbial rug that ties the room together, and for all I can tell, nobody but me knows this card exists.
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don't think some people know what "underrated" actually means.
This happens in Every. Single. Thread. asking what's the most underrated / underplayed card / deck. Go into Modern and ask what's the most underrated card, you'll get three or four derp responses: "Tarmogoyf! Man, is that card ever underrated!" Yeah, at $180 a pop, I'd hate to think what the price would be if it were overrated.
Don't dare mention an actual underrated / underplayed card, you'll get flamed to a crisp.
Oh my god this. Pro tip; if your argument can be construed as a semantics arguments, DONT POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE (looking at you ultralunch) it just makes the world a worst place for the sake of you getting to argue all day over definitions and pat yourself on the back for being clever when you know what the intent of the topic is. You're just selfishly choosing to ignore it in favor of you're own amusement.
As for actual underrated cards, that 3 mana counter that puts two +1/+1 counters on a creature in temur colors (apologies I forget the name). Love that card, I've found it does more for me than dissolve ever did. I think it's only real flaw and why it sees so little play is temur colors just aren't as pushed as others at the moment.
I only clarified the meaning because people were flaming me for my choices - which were definitely legitimate calls.
You were flamed for trying to use a semantics argument for this. You don't just picked the most hyped card of the set and call it STILL underrated. In any case, semantics arguments never have any value here whatsoever and just derail discussion.
I only clarified the meaning because people were flaming me for my choices - which were definitely legitimate calls.
I'm not sure if calling TC and DTT as "undervalued" is the correct call though...
Especially given the fact that they were banned in eternal formats ._.
I would argue calling TC/DTT "undervalued" would be akin to calling tarmogoyf "undervalued".
Outpost Siege - It's a pseudo draw engine in red and the dragon ability is amazing in certain builds the can abuse tokens. I think it would do amazing in mono red and GR w/ Hornet Queen/hornet nest/purphoros.
Arcbond is my pick. Right now it is a widely considered sideboard card, but any red card that can deal damage to a player and also remove creatures at the same time deserves attention - especially when it only costs 2R and is at instant speed. It also makes combat math a nightmare for your opponent if they know you are playing it.
What about Cavalry Pegasus? I think it's slightly under-rated. It's not exactly stellar, but I still think it's underrated. It's problem is that you have to wait a turn for it to do anything and requires you to have a board of humans, but it could easily win you games if you run a human aggro deck of some variant. Evasion is always useful.
Arcbond is my pick. Right now it is a widely considered sideboard card, but any red card that can deal damage to a player and also remove creatures at the same time deserves attention - especially when it only costs 2R and is at instant speed. It also makes combat math a nightmare for your opponent if they know you are playing it.
Arcbond with deathtouch seems really nasty.It also allows a 1 power creature to kill a Siege Rhino and everything else with the same or less toughness.This card really is cool thinking about it
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Actually, your links doesn't prove you're right at all. Nowhere in those links does it say that "underrated" means that it is "rated really low", which is what you claim.
UltraLunch has the correct understanding of the word.
that scry one is just that good tho. you gotta hit your mana drops and dissolve helps you do that. late game you can tuck away any lands and smooth out draws a little.
Dissipates okay but it's situationaly god.
Yes, it is. Just reread those dictionary-links you posted.
No, it isn't.
A card could be rated 9 out of 10, and still be underrated.
A card could be heavily played, and still be underrated.
In principle you could argue that the best and most played card in standard is underrated. And by that you would mean that it should be played even more than it is, and that players don't appreciate its true value.
People rate things.
If they rate them too low, those things are underrated.
It's a relative term and has nothing to do with absolute values.
If a card is a 10/10 and people rate it 9/10, it's underrated. If a card is a 1/10 and people rate it 2/10, it's overrated.
Hate to break it to you but the above explanation is dead on. Over/underrating is entirely relative and occurs in varying degrees. Moving on.
I agree with a previous poster that the multicolored Gods are underrated. It's like they never found a proper home in a potent deck and were forgotten.
I actually have to disagree with that list. Although Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise were arguably "under-rated" at the beginning of Khans, that is no longer the case.
Anyone who follows modern knows the strength of these cards in eternal formats. *cough* banned into oblivion *cough*.
Current standard control lists also have acknowledged the pure strength of DTT. That is why you see in nearly all cases playsets of DTT. You could make the argument that TC is "underrated" in standard; however, that's due in part to a format that does not support it. TC is not as consistent in standard as it <was> in eternal formats.
Savage Knuckleblade, Anger of the Gods, End Hostilities, Keranos, and Ashiok I would argue are also not "under-rated cards". All of those cards are rated very highly. The problem? Those specific cards fall into "niche" roles. As a result they don't see alot of play and can be misinterpreted as "undervalued".
Clever impersonator; however, is the very definition of undervalued. No decks play it despite it having great potential. I think this is in part due to the legendary rule change.
Since "clone effects" can no longer kill legendary creatures, it becomes less impressive.
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Speaking of which, I think Tasigur is still underrated, despite getting raves from many pros. For example, even Fabiano kept him in the sideboard - only to bring him in every game 2 I watched.
Frontier Siege is very underrated. It adds something the format was tragically missing: ramp that does not die to sweepers.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is underrated, it always have been since day one. It's a control kill con with cmc 3.
Tasigur was underrated a few weeks ago, now people are seen how good he is.
Maybe Whisperwood Elemental is underrated. Or maybe Stormbreath Dragon just eclipses him.
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This happens in Every. Single. Thread. asking what's the most underrated / underplayed card / deck. Go into Modern and ask what's the most underrated card, you'll get three or four derp responses: "Tarmogoyf! Man, is that card ever underrated!" Yeah, at $180 a pop, I'd hate to think what the price would be if it were overrated.
Don't dare mention an actual underrated / underplayed card, you'll get flamed to a crisp.
Black has its first mono-colored, native hexproof creature and it hasn't so much as been drafted! WTH??? I've tested it out in mono-black aggro and it's a bomb. It's basically the black Invisible Stalker. Bestow Spiteful Returned or Herald of Torment on it, you're pretty much running black Bogles. When you don't have Mogis's Marauder forcing it through, you can hold back 4 mana so they don't dare block because you can give it first strike and deathtouch. Can also use the ability to hold it back and switch to the defensive, too. The one time it does get killed, that's the best place to spend a Boon of Erebos.
All of the above cards are already played in Top-8 mono-black aggro decks, except Slyblade. It's the proverbial rug that ties the room together, and for all I can tell, nobody but me knows this card exists.
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Oh my god this. Pro tip; if your argument can be construed as a semantics arguments, DONT POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE (looking at you ultralunch) it just makes the world a worst place for the sake of you getting to argue all day over definitions and pat yourself on the back for being clever when you know what the intent of the topic is. You're just selfishly choosing to ignore it in favor of you're own amusement.
As for actual underrated cards, that 3 mana counter that puts two +1/+1 counters on a creature in temur colors (apologies I forget the name). Love that card, I've found it does more for me than dissolve ever did. I think it's only real flaw and why it sees so little play is temur colors just aren't as pushed as others at the moment.
You were flamed for trying to use a semantics argument for this. You don't just picked the most hyped card of the set and call it STILL underrated. In any case, semantics arguments never have any value here whatsoever and just derail discussion.
I'm not sure if calling TC and DTT as "undervalued" is the correct call though...
Especially given the fact that they were banned in eternal formats ._.
I would argue calling TC/DTT "undervalued" would be akin to calling tarmogoyf "undervalued".
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i've tried this in my red / black / white deck it is amazing
im going to use 2-3 of these in my mono red / aggro / burn deck
it will DESTROY FNM!
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