Devour flesh and boon satyr are indeed good ways to go. Another good choice is lifebane zombie as you can sometimes pluck one from their hand before you'd have to deal with it.
Assuming your base Black, Devour Flesh/Lifebane as mentioned above. Oh, and Thoughtseize. You can also double block with Mutavault if it comes down to that, or go over it with Desecration Demon. Note that Reaper of the Wilds matches up awfully against Blood Baron, sadly.
Another great card against Baron is Erebos, God of the Dead. Without Lifelink, Blood Baron ain't all that tough.
Every deck has an Achilles Heel. For B/G, it's BBoV. Devour Flesh? Because Orzhov is known for attacking with a solo BBoV as their only creature on the board? Boon Satyr? Better make damn sure that entire hand is empty, as it's assuredly got some form of removal in it. Given the plethora for W/B (more than G/B)...
Yes, Devour Flesh can take out BBoV but, consider the conditions needed for it to be effective. Same with Boon Satyr. Technically, yes they work. How often do you suppose you'll be in a game where you meet the conditions needed?
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Vintage. That's about it. Maybe Standard, if it could get it together into something interesting enough to play.
Blood baron hits and they swing - save the flesh for it.
if blood baron isnt the only creature then thank goodness ghost dad doesn't have pro black because that's what I save the rest of my kill spells for.
I suppose I'll be in that situation a few times seeing as a player you learn how other decks work and you fix your deck to that.
Every deck has an Achilles Heel. For B/G, it's BBoV. Devour Flesh? Because Orzhov is known for attacking with a solo BBoV as their only creature on the board? Boon Satyr? Better make damn sure that entire hand is empty, as it's assuredly got some form of removal in it. Given the plethora for W/B (more than G/B)...
Yes, Devour Flesh can take out BBoV but, consider the conditions needed for it to be effective. Same with Boon Satyr. Technically, yes they work. How often do you suppose you'll be in a game where you meet the conditions needed?
BBoV is hardly game over for B/G. It can certainly be a challenge but it can be overcome. Ideally you put your opponent into a situation where attacking with the BB is sub optimal, but if need be with the threats that B/G can present the B/W or Esper decks will have spent early turns using their removal to slow your board state. If mono black has the potential win through a BBoV B/G certainly can as well.
If you don't Thoughtseize Blood Baron, then you could always try dropping a Lifebane Zombie turn 4 to fish it out of their hand. Otherwise I run Mistcutter Hydra in my Sideboard, mainly to deal with control, but in this scenario, it may work as well.
I would say Boon Satyr is about your best option, right now. Depending on how big of mana you have, Polukranos, World Eater can be very good as well. He will likely get removed, but still viable. I assume the problem is against MBD with a splash of white. That new strive/fight card coming out could be handy for you, if you really need it and run enough green fatties.
[quote from="Misanthropist" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/552844-help-black-greens-answer-to-blood-baron?comment=11"]BBoV is hardly game over for B/G. It can certainly be a challenge but it can be overcome. Ideally you put your opponent into a situation where attacking with the BB is sub optimal, but if need be with the threats that B/G can present the B/W or Esper decks will have spent early turns using their removal to slow your board state. If mono black has the potential win through a BBoV B/G certainly can as well.
What situation is that? As an aside, MBD has a lot of problems with Orhzov also. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's highly improbable a B/G can take out a BBoV.
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Vintage. That's about it. Maybe Standard, if it could get it together into something interesting enough to play.
Every deck has an Achilles Heel. For B/G, it's BBoV. Devour Flesh? Because Orzhov is known for attacking with a solo BBoV as their only creature on the board? Boon Satyr? Better make damn sure that entire hand is empty, as it's assuredly got some form of removal in it. Given the plethora for W/B (more than G/B)...
Yes, Devour Flesh can take out BBoV but, consider the conditions needed for it to be effective. Same with Boon Satyr. Technically, yes they work. How often do you suppose you'll be in a game where you meet the conditions needed?
I don't know what you are talking about. While Blood Baron can be a difficult card to play around, if by GB the OP means Dredge, I find the card to be threatening to the Dredge Plan, but not backbreaking. Devour Flesh, also, is a perfectly acceptable answer. It won't always get you the result you want, but it's plenty effective.
Where you either have enough of a board presence where they would lose more life on the swing back than they gained or by leading them to believe (either correctly or not) that you have something in hand that would advance your board to a point where the life gained is irrelevant. If you have a few creatures on board and they have a BB, you could represent that you have a Nighthowler in hand, or some other such play that would make attacking with their BB sub-optimal.
I don't know what you are talking about. While Blood Baron can be a difficult card to play around, if by GB the OP means Dredge, I find the card to be threatening to the Dredge Plan, but not backbreaking. Devour Flesh, also, is a perfectly acceptable answer. It won't always get you the result you want, but it's plenty effective.
How is a card that forces your opponent to sac ANY creature, a plenty effective answer? Orzhov is creature based. No Orzhov player with any brain capacity has a lone BBoV on the board for Devour Flesh to do what the B/G player wants.
Where you either have enough of a board presence where they would lose more life on the swing back than they gained or by leading them to believe (either correctly or not) that you have something in hand that would advance your board to a point where the life gained is irrelevant. If you have a few creatures on board and they have a BB, you could represent that you have a Nighthowler in hand, or some other such play that would make attacking with their BB sub-optimal.
Theorycraft. B/G does not have a viable answer to BBoV. Devour Flesh is great, but doesn't stop him as mentioned in the above quote. Satyr? What B/G deck that would like to compete with other T1 decks is going to give up valuable space to Boon Satyr. There are far more needed things to put in the deck than Satyr. Makes the deck weaker to run him.
Plenty of other decks have 100% viable answers to BBoV. B/G does not have a one stop card that knocks him on his ass, and that's ok. Again, ever deck has an Achilles Heel. Just how it is.
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Vintage. That's about it. Maybe Standard, if it could get it together into something interesting enough to play.
Of course it's theorycraft. This thread is about a good answer in B/G for BBoV. Anything suggested is going to be theorycraft. And just because a deck has a weak point doesn't mean that the person running it should auto scoop when confronted by it. It's merely a challenge to overcome. Aside from Devour Flesh or creating a boardstate where BB is less than ideal B/G has green creatures that can block it and/or trade if properly suited up (either monstrous or bestowed upon). If it's your inclination to scoop when you see a card that your deck a problem with across from you, well that's call. Rarely do I scoop, and certainly not just because I'm at a strategic disadvantage. That's just me I guess.
As for Lifebane, it's certainly viable. Thoughtseize as well. The tools are there, just a matter of figuring out the most optimal ones. I also don't see a problem with Boon Satyr. Some number out of the sb could come as an unexpected angle to deal with it.
Another great card against Baron is Erebos, God of the Dead. Without Lifelink, Blood Baron ain't all that tough.
it's why i play Jund and not straight G/B
Every deck has an Achilles Heel. For B/G, it's BBoV. Devour Flesh? Because Orzhov is known for attacking with a solo BBoV as their only creature on the board? Boon Satyr? Better make damn sure that entire hand is empty, as it's assuredly got some form of removal in it. Given the plethora for W/B (more than G/B)...
Yes, Devour Flesh can take out BBoV but, consider the conditions needed for it to be effective. Same with Boon Satyr. Technically, yes they work. How often do you suppose you'll be in a game where you meet the conditions needed?
if blood baron isnt the only creature then thank goodness ghost dad doesn't have pro black because that's what I save the rest of my kill spells for.
I suppose I'll be in that situation a few times seeing as a player you learn how other decks work and you fix your deck to that.
BBoV is hardly game over for B/G. It can certainly be a challenge but it can be overcome. Ideally you put your opponent into a situation where attacking with the BB is sub optimal, but if need be with the threats that B/G can present the B/W or Esper decks will have spent early turns using their removal to slow your board state. If mono black has the potential win through a BBoV B/G certainly can as well.
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If all your creatures are black Pit Fight doesn't work.
I splash red for Slaughter Games in the board.
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Thoughts on proxies:
Would that WotC had reprinted Snakeform.
Devour Flesh. Which helps after a swing, how? Honestly asking.
What situation is that? As an aside, MBD has a lot of problems with Orhzov also. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's highly improbable a B/G can take out a BBoV.
I don't know what you are talking about. While Blood Baron can be a difficult card to play around, if by GB the OP means Dredge, I find the card to be threatening to the Dredge Plan, but not backbreaking. Devour Flesh, also, is a perfectly acceptable answer. It won't always get you the result you want, but it's plenty effective.
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How is a card that forces your opponent to sac ANY creature, a plenty effective answer? Orzhov is creature based. No Orzhov player with any brain capacity has a lone BBoV on the board for Devour Flesh to do what the B/G player wants.
Theorycraft. B/G does not have a viable answer to BBoV. Devour Flesh is great, but doesn't stop him as mentioned in the above quote. Satyr? What B/G deck that would like to compete with other T1 decks is going to give up valuable space to Boon Satyr. There are far more needed things to put in the deck than Satyr. Makes the deck weaker to run him.
Plenty of other decks have 100% viable answers to BBoV. B/G does not have a one stop card that knocks him on his ass, and that's ok. Again, ever deck has an Achilles Heel. Just how it is.
As for Lifebane, it's certainly viable. Thoughtseize as well. The tools are there, just a matter of figuring out the most optimal ones. I also don't see a problem with Boon Satyr. Some number out of the sb could come as an unexpected angle to deal with it.
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