Hey all. I am a player that likes to use alternative methods and styles in my deck building, and ive been messing with Xenagod decks a lot lately. In that deck i have been testing felhide spiritbinder and i love him! Im curious what the boards think of him plus kalonian hydra, with scourge of skola vale to eat the 16/16 hydra token? Eating any token is fine really. Hydra doubles him too, and Xenagod as well. Plus he's trample. With the right burn suite- i have been enjoying my solitaire testing with it anyway.
Never thought of skola vale and spirit binder together. I mostly wrote them both off for the fact that they need to be tapped at some point to even use their ability. However, if you can work the pair into Jund, you can include Corpsejack Menace and just make an insanely large hydra.
True, and i hate to say this, but thats winmor.. Turn five we can have two hydras (real and token) both attacking, doubling eachother to bothe be 16/16 i believe, at that point is CJM really needed? Lol. I like the thought though! In that scenariothere is a decent chance we will have blood (from flesh and blood) in hand too, dealing 16 more damage if needed- so 48 damage on turn 5? The token would have two devotion too, so nykthos likes it just getting a token from spiritbinder makes both nykthos and xenagos produce more mana.
The othe combo that is infinite with FSB is aurelia, the warleader. Extra attack as long as you have mana to pay FSB. With caryatid and another mana dork it is infinite. While i love that idea, i am sticking with the consistency RG provides. Maybe Sb the combo and mana for it
True, and i hate to say this, but thats winmor.. Turn five we can have two hydras (real and token) both attacking, doubling eachother to bothe be 16/16 i believe, at that point is CJM really needed? Lol. I like the thought though! In that scenariothere is a decent chance we will have blood (from flesh and blood) in hand too, dealing 16 more damage if needed- so 48 damage on turn 5? The token would have two devotion too, so nykthos likes it just getting a token from spiritbinder makes both nykthos and xenagos produce more mana.
The othe combo that is infinit with FSB is aurelia, the warleader. Extra attack as long ad you have mana to pay FSB. With caryatid and another mana dork it is infinite. While i love that idea, i am sticking with the consistency RG provides. Maybe Sb the combo and mana for it
I've actually looked at the infinite combo with FBS and Aurelia, the Warleader, I was really thinking about creating a deck with that combo...never thought of Scourge of Skola Vale being able to work with FBS...that's really interesting...so Jund would be the direction of that right? Add in a Courser of Kruphix for more mana, you have Kalonian Hydra, maybe Thoughtseize? dunno what else could you throw into this wonderful mix?
I'm really backing the idea though...could evolve into something really great
True, and i hate to say this, but thats winmor.. Turn five we can have two hydras (real and token) both attacking, doubling eachother to bothe be 16/16 i believe, at that point is CJM really needed? Lol. I like the thought though! In that scenariothere is a decent chance we will have blood (from flesh and blood) in hand too, dealing 16 more damage if needed- so 48 damage on turn 5? The token would have two devotion too, so nykthos likes it just getting a token from spiritbinder makes both nykthos and xenagos produce more mana.
The othe combo that is infinit with FSB is aurelia, the warleader. Extra attack as long ad you have mana to pay FSB. With caryatid and another mana dork it is infinite. While i love that idea, i am sticking with the consistency RG provides. Maybe Sb the combo and mana for it
I've actually looked at the infinite combo with FBS and Aurelia, the Warleader, I was really thinking about creating a deck with that combo...never thought of Scourge of Skola Vale being able to work with FBS...that's really interesting...so Jund would be the direction of that right? Add in a Courser of Kruphix for more mana, you have Kalonian Hydra, maybe Thoughtseize? dunno what else could you throw into this wonderful mix?
I'm really backing the idea though...could evolve into something really great
Nice to hear some support! Skola is really not bad with hydra at all, 2/2 trample for 3 that can get bigger. yeah you have to tap for it to grow, but im ok with that, expecially as just a cold war removal target- ie bigger and bigger threat until it is removed. dont forget we can eat extra legends too, which makes it more ok to run 3-4 Xenagods instead of 1-3. As I said, I think RG is best for consistency, but jund and naya both have huge potential- and RUG lets us use Prophet of Kruphix. Jund should maybe focus more on Stormy than Kal, but perhaps not.
Here is my Naya Aurelia Combat Combo list, and here is my RG FELHYDRA list. Could use them as starting points? (while youre there check out my Slaughterforge deck, young pyro, Purph and Mogis, backed by removal and burn spells- but I digress! lol)
I had a solitaire game give me turn 3 felhide, turn 4 hydra, turn 5 make hydra token, tap nykthos for extra mana (more devo from token) to play xenagos and then +1 him for more mana and i played a courser of kruphix, then swung with two 16/16's... It was a jolly Xmas eve! Following turn had the hydra with two flesh // bloods in hand.
Burning-tree emissary for fast devotion with nykthos?
I like it. Iv'e built with her a lot too, im just not sure what id remove personally. On a side not in response to your CJM suggestion, Ive had a lot of fun using CJM with Necropolis Regent. So dirty lol
True, and i hate to say this, but thats winmor.. Turn five we can have two hydras (real and token) both attacking, doubling eachother to bothe be 16/16 i believe, at that point is CJM really needed? Lol. I like the thought though! In that scenariothere is a decent chance we will have blood (from flesh and blood) in hand too, dealing 16 more damage if needed- so 48 damage on turn 5? The token would have two devotion too, so nykthos likes it just getting a token from spiritbinder makes both nykthos and xenagos produce more mana.
The othe combo that is infinit with FSB is aurelia, the warleader. Extra attack as long ad you have mana to pay FSB. With caryatid and another mana dork it is infinite. While i love that idea, i am sticking with the consistency RG provides. Maybe Sb the combo and mana for it
I've actually looked at the infinite combo with FBS and Aurelia, the Warleader, I was really thinking about creating a deck with that combo...never thought of Scourge of Skola Vale being able to work with FBS...that's really interesting...so Jund would be the direction of that right? Add in a Courser of Kruphix for more mana, you have Kalonian Hydra, maybe Thoughtseize? dunno what else could you throw into this wonderful mix?
I'm really backing the idea though...could evolve into something really great
Nice to hear some support! Skola is really not bad with hydra at all, 2/2 trample for 3 that can get bigger. yeah you have to tap for it to grow, but im ok with that, expecially as just a cold war removal target- ie bigger and bigger threat until it is removed. dont forget we can eat extra legends too, which makes it more ok to run 3-4 Xenagods instead of 1-3. As I said, I think RG is best for consistency, but jund and naya both have huge potential- and RUG lets us use Prophet of Kruphix. Jund should maybe focus more on Stormy than Kal, but perhaps not.
Here is my Naya Aurelia Combat Combo list, and here is my RG FELHYDRA list. Could use them as starting points? (while youre there check out my Slaughterforge deck, young pyro, Purph and Mogis, backed by removal and burn spells- but I digress! lol)
I had a solitaire game give me turn 3 felhide, turn 4 hydra, turn 5 make hydra token, tap nykthos for extra mana (more devo from token) to play xenagos and then +1 him for more mana and i played a courser of kruphix, then swung with two 16/16's... It was a jolly Xmas eve! Following turn had the hydra with two flesh // bloods in hand.
I'm always up for a new type of deck! I think that's the best part of MTG
Yea I think it's only worth it to tap Hydra only to continue to have it grow...as well as Skola...though I feel that you might need to protect it somehow...maybe a spell or enchantment some how Alpha Authority? dunno...definitely agree with running 3-4 Xenagos since you're pitching them to only continue growing Skola...especially if you have another in hand. I can definitely see using Elvish Mystic for added mana (remember you want to cast Hydra or Skola up and going as fast as you can, that's what I think anyway) or Sylvan Caryatid...
Yea, those Decks could definitely be great starting points to forming up a deck like this...im down for it
I could see this deck going RG but maybe with a splash of Black? by adding Thoughtseize, Bile Blight, Devour Flesh, Hero's Downfall...not sure
I'd say come up with a decklist and go from there...test it, add a splash of black...test it, and continue developing and evolving it.
If your splashing black, abrupt decay is a must. In my Golgari Hydra I'm running Jarad and dying wish for damage outside of combat. Golgari charms never hurt either, since they're amazing in UW control match ups.
If your splashing black, abrupt decay is a must. In my Golgari Hydra I'm running Jarad and dying wish for damage outside of combat. Golgari charms never hurt either, since they're amazing in UW control match ups.
Yeah, some in the side and main. in my jund xenagod deck i run 2 mortars, 4 bloods, a dreadbore and an abrupt decay as my removal package- with two vraska to supplement with her bomb ability. I think Dying wish is underrated, and think its awesome on desc demon
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So i guess two SDCs: Scourge and Spiritbinder
The othe combo that is infinite with FSB is aurelia, the warleader. Extra attack as long as you have mana to pay FSB. With caryatid and another mana dork it is infinite. While i love that idea, i am sticking with the consistency RG provides. Maybe Sb the combo and mana for it
I've actually looked at the infinite combo with FBS and Aurelia, the Warleader, I was really thinking about creating a deck with that combo...never thought of Scourge of Skola Vale being able to work with FBS...that's really interesting...so Jund would be the direction of that right? Add in a Courser of Kruphix for more mana, you have Kalonian Hydra, maybe Thoughtseize? dunno what else could you throw into this wonderful mix?
I'm really backing the idea though...could evolve into something really great
Nice to hear some support! Skola is really not bad with hydra at all, 2/2 trample for 3 that can get bigger. yeah you have to tap for it to grow, but im ok with that, expecially as just a cold war removal target- ie bigger and bigger threat until it is removed. dont forget we can eat extra legends too, which makes it more ok to run 3-4 Xenagods instead of 1-3. As I said, I think RG is best for consistency, but jund and naya both have huge potential- and RUG lets us use Prophet of Kruphix. Jund should maybe focus more on Stormy than Kal, but perhaps not.
Here is my Naya Aurelia Combat Combo list, and here is my RG FELHYDRA list. Could use them as starting points? (while youre there check out my Slaughterforge deck, young pyro, Purph and Mogis, backed by removal and burn spells- but I digress! lol)
I had a solitaire game give me turn 3 felhide, turn 4 hydra, turn 5 make hydra token, tap nykthos for extra mana (more devo from token) to play xenagos and then +1 him for more mana and i played a courser of kruphix, then swung with two 16/16's... It was a jolly Xmas eve! Following turn had the hydra with two flesh // bloods in hand.
I like it. Iv'e built with her a lot too, im just not sure what id remove personally. On a side not in response to your CJM suggestion, Ive had a lot of fun using CJM with Necropolis Regent. So dirty lol
I'm always up for a new type of deck! I think that's the best part of MTG
Yea I think it's only worth it to tap Hydra only to continue to have it grow...as well as Skola...though I feel that you might need to protect it somehow...maybe a spell or enchantment some how Alpha Authority? dunno...definitely agree with running 3-4 Xenagos since you're pitching them to only continue growing Skola...especially if you have another in hand. I can definitely see using Elvish Mystic for added mana (remember you want to cast Hydra or Skola up and going as fast as you can, that's what I think anyway) or Sylvan Caryatid...
Yea, those Decks could definitely be great starting points to forming up a deck like this...im down for it
I could see this deck going RG but maybe with a splash of Black? by adding Thoughtseize, Bile Blight, Devour Flesh, Hero's Downfall...not sure
I'd say come up with a decklist and go from there...test it, add a splash of black...test it, and continue developing and evolving it.
Yeah, some in the side and main. in my jund xenagod deck i run 2 mortars, 4 bloods, a dreadbore and an abrupt decay as my removal package- with two vraska to supplement with her bomb ability. I think Dying wish is underrated, and think its awesome on desc demon