Tangress the Mind seems good. Also Collective Brutality is worth to mention.
I personaly don't like Ugin with the high cmc. Otherwise Ob Nixilis Reignited gives card advantage.
Against Bonecrusher Giant - Wasteland Strangler seems hilarious effective against those type of aggro decks.
I'll make a list with playable cards for this deck. Maybe someone should make a real Primer at some point, or a thread on Discord.
Tangress the Mind seems good. Also Collective Brutality is worth to mention.
I personaly don't like Ugin with the high cmc. Otherwise Ob Nixilis Reignited gives card advantage.
Against Bonecrusher Giant - Wasteland Strangler seems hilarious effective against those type of aggro decks.
I'll make a list with playable cards for this deck. Maybe someone should make a real Primer at some point, or a thread on Discord.
mtgsalvation doesn’t appear to have the following it once had. Is discord the new platform?
This is my updated list. duress has been helpful against spell based decks, temple of malady is great at filtering, and the planeswalkers have been helpful.
Deck looks solid. I like the Garruk!
Have you considert Nissa's Renewal for late game ramping and stabilisation? I play 2 of em and more basic lands instead of blooming marsh's. Also Mastermind's Acquisition gives you access to all the silver bullets in your sideboard.
Deck looks solid. I like the Garruk!
Have you considert Nissa's Renewal for late game ramping and stabilisation? I play 2 of em and more basic lands instead of blooming marsh's. Also Mastermind's Acquisition gives you access to all the silver bullets in your sideboard.
I do have a copy of both Nissa's Renewal and Mastermind's Acquisition. I like them both but the question is what do I cut and what is the opportunity cost of that cut. Playing extra basics for example can lead to more inconsistent mana which I have found sometimes around turn 2-4 which is where you really need to hit your spells. grasp of darkness with double black and courser of kruphix with double green for example. The second thing with Nissa's Renewal is it can die in your hand at six mana. I already have multiple cards with high cost so how many do we play?
Mastermind I really like, but I haven't tried it enough yet. These are definitely cards I will be trialing.
Originally I was having trouble with both aggro and control. The changes I have made did help the aggro match-up. I still do not have a good answer for multiple planeswalkers or a strong control list. Lastly, I think the changes I've made make the deck significantly weaker against graveyard strategies.
I'd like to know what are you doing well against and what seems like poor matchups. If others are having similar challenges shaping the sideboard will be much easier.
Also, I did sign up for discord and find a few pioneer channels? or whatever they are called. Unfortunately, I am highly unequipped to manage a dedicated seasons past server or something similar, but I do think there would be a benefit to bringing people together. If people are interested in switching over to discord I would be happy to do so.
Anyone have any luck testing a sultai build to also play drown in the loch, oko, growth spiral, and field of the dead? this is something ive been thinking about lately but havent had the chance to try configurations
Anyone have any luck testing a sultai build to also play drown in the loch, oko, growth spiral, and field of the dead? this is something ive been thinking about lately but havent had the chance to try configurations
Honestly, if I had the budget that’s exactly what I’d do. I think oko provides a a lot of stability. Food> life gain, or turn into elks for early stabilization or pressure va control. Loch give you counter spells without losing removal. Field of the dead as a one of could definitely go in either build but the GB would need to adjust the basics a bit which is actually a plus side in some decks.
Nissa's Renewal maybe isn't the best spell for your deck. I play way more basics and no double green mana spells. Mastermind's Acquisition should be the 4th tutor spell, so no cut on Dark Petitions.
Maybe Giftet Aetherborn? Not sure what to cut really.
I need some more playtesting and tuning. I can only play in paper and havent much time lately to test a lot. But so far i can say big vraska will definitely stay in the core. I'm thinking about testing 6 mana Liliana. I try to upload my list this weekend. How's your deck working so far? Did you find space for Masterminds A?
I can't seem to beat control. It doesn't really matter what control deck I play I end up losing. A lot of the matches are drawn out and very grindy but I end up on the losing end every time.
I've been making some substitutions in an attempt to beat control decks. Thus far I have failed. The questing beast, Nissa's renewal, ugin, and multiple sideboard cards are all flex spots.
i tried a 2/2 split depise and Thoughtseize. So far it hasn’t won me any games by limiting life loss. I think lifelink or other life gain method plus Thoughtseize trumps main board depise. It could be a sideboard choice for Aggro heavy meta.
the recent results support an Aggro heavy meta but online I’m facing a wide array of decks.
I really like questing beast but I’m missing the life gain and board presence without Kalitas. I’ll probably do a 1/1 split and see how that goes.
Scavenging Ooze and Vraska, Golgari Queen are decent ways to gain a bit of life besides being very solid cards otherwise.
You can even throw in Eternal Scourge for sort of a loop as you can sac' it to Vraska and eat it with Scooze and then recast it again from exile.
The Sideboard can be improved
The flexslots are maybe 1 sweeper, ultimate price and 4&5 mana vraska. I also want to test 1 Murderous Rider
Otherwise i need more playtesting but the deck feels good for me so far.
I found the dreadhorde invasion and lovestruck beast interesting. There are some synergies with dreadhorde invasion but it is in the sideboard. What match up is this for? The lovestruck beast is a good beater when you need a quick clock but the deck has hardly any 1/1s so it would be easy to turn off. Any thoughts?
mtgsalvation doesn’t appear to have the following it once had. Is discord the new platform?
3x blooming marsh
4x fabled passage
1x field of ruin
2x hissing quagmire
2x overgrown tomb
1x urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
4x forest
5x swamp
3x temple of malady
spells
4x thoughtseize
3x fatal push
1x collective brutality
1x grasp of darkness
1x sign in blood
3x abrupt decay
2x assassin's trophy
1x transgress the mind
1x read the bones
1x to the slaughter
1x bontu's last reckoning
1x languish
1x vraska's contempt
3x dark petition
1x seasons past
1x Vraska, Relic Seeker
1x Garruk, apex predator
creatures
2x nissa, vastwood seer
2x tireless tracker
1x courser of kruphix
1x kalitas, traitor of ghet
1x murderous rider
1x gifted aetherborn
1x pithing needle
1x essence extraction
1x casualties of war
1x ashiok, dream render
2x return to nature
1x the elderspell
1x virulent plague
1x lost legacy
1x languish
1x leyline of the void
1x crypt incursion
1x grafdigger's cage
2x duress
Have you considert Nissa's Renewal for late game ramping and stabilisation? I play 2 of em and more basic lands instead of blooming marsh's. Also Mastermind's Acquisition gives you access to all the silver bullets in your sideboard.
I do have a copy of both Nissa's Renewal and Mastermind's Acquisition. I like them both but the question is what do I cut and what is the opportunity cost of that cut. Playing extra basics for example can lead to more inconsistent mana which I have found sometimes around turn 2-4 which is where you really need to hit your spells. grasp of darkness with double black and courser of kruphix with double green for example. The second thing with Nissa's Renewal is it can die in your hand at six mana. I already have multiple cards with high cost so how many do we play?
Mastermind I really like, but I haven't tried it enough yet. These are definitely cards I will be trialing.
Originally I was having trouble with both aggro and control. The changes I have made did help the aggro match-up. I still do not have a good answer for multiple planeswalkers or a strong control list. Lastly, I think the changes I've made make the deck significantly weaker against graveyard strategies.
I'd like to know what are you doing well against and what seems like poor matchups. If others are having similar challenges shaping the sideboard will be much easier.
Honestly, if I had the budget that’s exactly what I’d do. I think oko provides a a lot of stability. Food> life gain, or turn into elks for early stabilization or pressure va control. Loch give you counter spells without losing removal. Field of the dead as a one of could definitely go in either build but the GB would need to adjust the basics a bit which is actually a plus side in some decks.
Maybe Giftet Aetherborn? Not sure what to cut really.
how is the Vraska brew working out for you?
My current list:
3x blooming marsh
3x fabled passage
1x field of ruin
2x hissing quagmire
2x overgrown tomb
1x urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
5x forest
4x swamp
3x temple of malady
1x woodland cemetery
4x thoughtseize
3x fatal push
1x collective brutality
1x grasp of darkness
1x sign in blood
1x liliana's triumph
2x abrupt decay
2x assassin's trophy
1x transgress the mind
1x read the bones
1x cry of the carnarium
1x languish
1x vraska's contempt
3x dark petition
1x seasons past
1x Nissa's Renewal
1x Vraska, Relic Seeker
1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
creatures
2x nissa, vastwood seer
2x tireless tracker
1x courser of kruphix
1x Questing beast
1x murderous rider
1x ashiok, dream render
2x return to nature
1x virulent plague
1x lost legacy
1x crux of fate
2x leyline of the void
2x pack rat
1x carnage tyrant
1x duress
1x thought distortion
1x bonds of mortality
I've been making some substitutions in an attempt to beat control decks. Thus far I have failed. The questing beast, Nissa's renewal, ugin, and multiple sideboard cards are all flex spots.
the recent results support an Aggro heavy meta but online I’m facing a wide array of decks.
I really like questing beast but I’m missing the life gain and board presence without Kalitas. I’ll probably do a 1/1 split and see how that goes.
You can even throw in Eternal Scourge for sort of a loop as you can sac' it to Vraska and eat it with Scooze and then recast it again from exile.
2x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1x Walking Ballista
Land
2x Fabled Passage
2x Field of Ruin
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Woodland Cemetery
3x Temple of Malady
3x Hissing Quagmire
8x Swamp
4x Forest
Sorcery
1x Duress
4x Thoughtseize
1x Collective Brutality
1x Sign in Blood
2x Read the Bones
1x Bontu's Last Reckoning
1x Ritual of Soot
2x Languish
1x Mastermind's Acquisition
3x Dark Petition
2x Nissa's Renewal
1x Seasons Past
2x Fatal Push
1x Ultimate Price
1x Hero's Downfall
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Assassin's Trophy
1x Vraska's Contempt
Planeswalker
1x Vraska, Golgari Queen
1x Vraska the Unseen
1x Vraska, Relic Seeker
1x Seasons Past
1x Casualties of War
1x Wasteland Strangler
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1x Hornet Queen
1x Natural State
1x Return to Nature
1x Cry of the Carnarium
2x Lost Legacy
2x Pithing Needle
1x Ashiok, Dream Render
1x Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
The Sideboard can be improved
The flexslots are maybe 1 sweeper, ultimate price and 4&5 mana vraska. I also want to test 1 Murderous Rider
Otherwise i need more playtesting but the deck feels good for me so far.
2 Assassin's Trophy
1 Bontu's Last Reckoning
3 Dark Petition
3 Fabled Passage
4 Fatal Push
2 Field of Ruin
4 Forest
3 Hissing Quagmire
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Languish
1 Legion's End
1 Murderous Rider
1 Nissa's Renewal
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
3 Overgrown Tomb
1 Read the Bones
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Seasons Past
7 Swamp
2 Temple of Malady
4 Thoughtseize
2 Tireless Tracker
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Vraska, Golgari Queen
1 Vraska, Relic Seeker
1 Walking Ballista
1 Ashiok, Dream Render
1 Dreadhorde Invasion
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
1 Languish
1 Lost Legacy
2 Lovestruck Beast
2 Noxious Grasp
2 Questing Beast
1 The Elderspell
1 Virulent Plague
1 Vraska's Contempt
This deck got a 5-0 recently.
I found the dreadhorde invasion and lovestruck beast interesting. There are some synergies with dreadhorde invasion but it is in the sideboard. What match up is this for? The lovestruck beast is a good beater when you need a quick clock but the deck has hardly any 1/1s so it would be easy to turn off. Any thoughts?