I would like such a set. I know Tempest Remastered is going in that direction, but Legacy itself really needs a bunch of reprints, and Mercadian Masques block and all the sets before Mirage have not yet been issues online.
My question of Legacy Masters is always "How do you expect it to differ from Vintage Masters?" And I don't mean which staples do you want to see at rare and mythic, I mean how do you think the draft environment should look? Vintage Masters worked very hard to fashion a modern-style limited format out of non-Modern-legal cards, for Legacy Masters to be different with the same card pool I feel it would almost certainly have to be inferior. If this is going to be the case then they might as well just make it Legacy Arsenal or something like that; only the staples, no draft fodder. I think the Remastered blocks are a good solution to this.
By the way, I'm not sure if you realise that Masques block has been released online, just in "combined block" packs. I assume this is what you're referring to but it's not really the same as pre-Mirage because all the cards are still available. Although Mercadia Remasquered is high on my wishlist of Remastered blocks not least because the combined block is by all reports not a very entertaining limited format.
You make sense... Vintage Masters already had many of the Legacy staples. Maybe remastering blocks is what will work better.
I meant how you stated it, Mercadian Masques was issued as a block booster pack. I just thought it would be good, for the sake of completion, to have access to packs for the individual sets in that block.
I meant how you stated it, Mercadian Masques was issued as a block booster pack. I just thought it would be good, for the sake of completion, to have access to packs for the individual sets in that block.
Well let's be honest, none of those sets were a high water mark of Magic by any stretch of the imagination (Pun not intended, but let's go with it anyway). That's why I'd like to see the block Remastered, it would allow stuff like Rishadan Port and Misdirection to get into people's hands and hopefully make a fun limited format out of a pretty substandard block.
I assumed they were considering a Legacy Masters all along, with a good deal of overlap with VMA (e.g. dual lands and FoW in both).
Then, along came someone with the idea of Tempest Remastered and someone in WotC management made a decision "This can make more money for us", and Legacy Masters was scrapped.
I somewhat expect Mercadian Remastered next, which might even get printed in paper (as there are no reserve list issues).
I assumed they were considering a Legacy Masters all along, with a good deal of overlap with VMA (e.g. dual lands and FoW in both).
I'm not sure why you'd assume that, when have they ever put out a set that was basically exactly the same thing as something they did the year before? I mean, you're even acknowledging that many of the rares would be the same. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Tempest Remastered was selected over an option that was superior in the fundamentals but would have earned less money in the long run. The Legacy Masters you are proposing would not have been superior in the fundamentals, it would either have been Vintage Masters with a handful of rares replaced or it would have been a decidedly weaker set. WotC would have realised that very quickly (because their job is actually designing sets, not just wishing for valuable cards to be reprinted) and Legacy Masters would not have gotten past the concept phase whether there was a more profitable option or not.
I assumed they were considering a Legacy Masters all along, with a good deal of overlap with VMA (e.g. dual lands and FoW in both).
I'm not sure why you'd assume that, when have they ever put out a set that was basically exactly the same thing as something they did the year before? I mean, you're even acknowledging that many of the rares would be the same. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Tempest Remastered was selected over an option that was superior in the fundamentals but would have earned less money in the long run. The Legacy Masters you are proposing would not have been superior in the fundamentals, it would either have been Vintage Masters with a handful of rares replaced or it would have been a decidedly weaker set. WotC would have realised that very quickly (because their job is actually designing sets, not just wishing for valuable cards to be reprinted) and Legacy Masters would not have gotten past the concept phase whether there was a more profitable option or not.
Every core set has had a high degree of overlap with the previous one. M12 in particular had pretty much the same chase cards as M11 and sold well.
There's a lot of Legacy relevant cards that weren't in VMA. Even ignoring Modern legal cards that are better in Legacy than they are in Modern (like Emrakul).
Some are cards in present tier 1 decks (Gaea's Cradle, Show and Tell, Misdirection, Sneak Attack, Rishadan Port), some are cards in historically relevant Legacy strategies that aren't getting results today (Sinkhole, Winter Orb, Argothian Enchantress), some are out-of-favor but still viable options in present decks (Stifle, Cabal Therapy, Daze), some are absurd sideboard cards that don't get played now but might if the strategies they hose become relevant again (Submerge, Massacre, Perish, Chill) and then there's cards with no tournament history but that will have a nostalgia factor behind them (Moat) or a Commander fanbase.
Not sure there would be enough to support a double size 105 rare, 30 mythic set like VMA, but there's definitely enough to support a standard size set without it just feeling like VMA again.
Every core set has had a high degree of overlap with the previous one. M12 in particular had pretty much the same chase cards as M11 and sold well.
That's because the purpose of the core set is to keep a core of basic cards in Standard (and it's not entirely irrelevant that they're phasing it out now). Legacy Masters wouldn't alter the legality of anything so there's no analogous requirement. Even then, though, each core set has made an effort to be different from its predecessor. They always tried to have different themes and reprinted mechanics even within the requirements of what was needed for a core set. I'm not convinced they could accomplish this to a great degree with Legacy Masters.
There's a lot of Legacy relevant cards that weren't in VMA. Even ignoring Modern legal cards that are better in Legacy than they are in Modern (like Emrakul).
Some are cards in present tier 1 decks (Gaea's Cradle, Show and Tell, Misdirection, Sneak Attack, Rishadan Port), some are cards in historically relevant Legacy strategies that aren't getting results today (Sinkhole, Winter Orb, Argothian Enchantress), some are out-of-favor but still viable options in present decks (Stifle, Cabal Therapy, Daze), some are absurd sideboard cards that don't get played now but might if the strategies they hose become relevant again (Submerge, Massacre, Perish, Chill) and then there's cards with no tournament history but that will have a nostalgia factor behind them (Moat) or a Commander fanbase.
Not sure there would be enough to support a double size 105 rare, 30 mythic set like VMA, but there's definitely enough to support a standard size set without it just feeling like VMA again.
You're just listing cards you'd like to see reprinted. I'm talking about the bulk of the set, the part that's actually supposed to be drafted. I don't doubt that you could replace a good many rares in Vintage Masters and turn it into "Legacy Masters" but unless you made it a substantially different limited environment then I can't imagine them ever doing that. The problem is not at rare (unless you insist on the likes of Force of Will and the Duals chewing up slots), the problem is justifying an entire set for the cards you want to see reprinted. If all you've got is a list of chase rares and sideboard cards, then I refer you to my above suggestion of Legacy Arsenal.
Oh, they could make a substantially different draft format.
Take a bunch of the attrition-oriented cards (mostly from Invasion block), all the "Work for it and get a 2-for-1" effects. Exclude, Repulse, Flametounge Kavu (already in VMA), Annihilate at the higher end of the power spectrum, Steal Strength, Krovikan Fetish, Kavu Climber, Zap, Plague Spores at the lower. Add better fixing than VMA so that 3 colour goodstuff is at least viable (Invasion ETB tapped duals at common alongside the Tempest ETB tapped painlands) and you'd have a remarkably different draft experience.
Now that Tempest Remastered is out, the pulls for that set are just terrible. It is a one card lottery (Wasteland). I do wish they had done a Legacy Masters with all the staples for Legacy that were not in VMA and give us noobs another chance to pull ABU duals!
Now that Tempest Remastered is out, the pulls for that set are just terrible. It is a one card lottery (Wasteland). I do wish they had done a Legacy Masters with all the staples for Legacy that were not in VMA and give us noobs another chance to pull ABU duals!
I really wish they would bring back Masters Edition. I still have a lot of packs from winning when ME4 was out and top 8-ing one of the big drafts around that time.
It's an interesting idea. Unfortunately, I think Wizards will instead go with the plan of Mirage Masters, Mercadian Masters, etc. This way they can slow roll the expensive cards everyone wants and sell more packs in the process.
It's an interesting idea. Unfortunately, I think Wizards will instead go with the plan of Mirage Masters, Mercadian Masters, etc. This way they can slow roll the expensive cards everyone wants and sell more packs in the process.
Unfortunately, I think you are quite right. Slow rolling will likely generate much higher sales than a Legacy Masters!
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By the way, I'm not sure if you realise that Masques block has been released online, just in "combined block" packs. I assume this is what you're referring to but it's not really the same as pre-Mirage because all the cards are still available. Although Mercadia Remasquered is high on my wishlist of Remastered blocks not least because the combined block is by all reports not a very entertaining limited format.
I meant how you stated it, Mercadian Masques was issued as a block booster pack. I just thought it would be good, for the sake of completion, to have access to packs for the individual sets in that block.
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Well let's be honest, none of those sets were a high water mark of Magic by any stretch of the imagination (Pun not intended, but let's go with it anyway). That's why I'd like to see the block Remastered, it would allow stuff like Rishadan Port and Misdirection to get into people's hands and hopefully make a fun limited format out of a pretty substandard block.
Then, along came someone with the idea of Tempest Remastered and someone in WotC management made a decision "This can make more money for us", and Legacy Masters was scrapped.
I somewhat expect Mercadian Remastered next, which might even get printed in paper (as there are no reserve list issues).
I'm not sure why you'd assume that, when have they ever put out a set that was basically exactly the same thing as something they did the year before? I mean, you're even acknowledging that many of the rares would be the same. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Tempest Remastered was selected over an option that was superior in the fundamentals but would have earned less money in the long run. The Legacy Masters you are proposing would not have been superior in the fundamentals, it would either have been Vintage Masters with a handful of rares replaced or it would have been a decidedly weaker set. WotC would have realised that very quickly (because their job is actually designing sets, not just wishing for valuable cards to be reprinted) and Legacy Masters would not have gotten past the concept phase whether there was a more profitable option or not.
Every core set has had a high degree of overlap with the previous one. M12 in particular had pretty much the same chase cards as M11 and sold well.
There's a lot of Legacy relevant cards that weren't in VMA. Even ignoring Modern legal cards that are better in Legacy than they are in Modern (like Emrakul).
Some are cards in present tier 1 decks (Gaea's Cradle, Show and Tell, Misdirection, Sneak Attack, Rishadan Port), some are cards in historically relevant Legacy strategies that aren't getting results today (Sinkhole, Winter Orb, Argothian Enchantress), some are out-of-favor but still viable options in present decks (Stifle, Cabal Therapy, Daze), some are absurd sideboard cards that don't get played now but might if the strategies they hose become relevant again (Submerge, Massacre, Perish, Chill) and then there's cards with no tournament history but that will have a nostalgia factor behind them (Moat) or a Commander fanbase.
Not sure there would be enough to support a double size 105 rare, 30 mythic set like VMA, but there's definitely enough to support a standard size set without it just feeling like VMA again.
That's because the purpose of the core set is to keep a core of basic cards in Standard (and it's not entirely irrelevant that they're phasing it out now). Legacy Masters wouldn't alter the legality of anything so there's no analogous requirement. Even then, though, each core set has made an effort to be different from its predecessor. They always tried to have different themes and reprinted mechanics even within the requirements of what was needed for a core set. I'm not convinced they could accomplish this to a great degree with Legacy Masters.
You're just listing cards you'd like to see reprinted. I'm talking about the bulk of the set, the part that's actually supposed to be drafted. I don't doubt that you could replace a good many rares in Vintage Masters and turn it into "Legacy Masters" but unless you made it a substantially different limited environment then I can't imagine them ever doing that. The problem is not at rare (unless you insist on the likes of Force of Will and the Duals chewing up slots), the problem is justifying an entire set for the cards you want to see reprinted. If all you've got is a list of chase rares and sideboard cards, then I refer you to my above suggestion of Legacy Arsenal.
Take a bunch of the attrition-oriented cards (mostly from Invasion block), all the "Work for it and get a 2-for-1" effects. Exclude, Repulse, Flametounge Kavu (already in VMA), Annihilate at the higher end of the power spectrum, Steal Strength, Krovikan Fetish, Kavu Climber, Zap, Plague Spores at the lower. Add better fixing than VMA so that 3 colour goodstuff is at least viable (Invasion ETB tapped duals at common alongside the Tempest ETB tapped painlands) and you'd have a remarkably different draft experience.
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I really wish they would bring back Masters Edition. I still have a lot of packs from winning when ME4 was out and top 8-ing one of the big drafts around that time.
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Unfortunately, I think you are quite right. Slow rolling will likely generate much higher sales than a Legacy Masters!
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