Well, I don't know what the official rules are, but, common sense dictates that it's quite impossible for anybody else to know that a different person is using your account. So, I'm sure you'll be fine. I've let my friends use my account in the past.
Yes, it's against the rules unless you're a parent and are allowing one of your children to use your account.
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Well, I don't know what the official rules are, but, common sense dictates that it's quite impossible for anybody else to know that a different person is using your account. So, I'm sure you'll be fine. I've let my friends use my account in the past.
I've seen reports on this forum of users having their accounts suspended or banned as a result of WotC suspecting another person of using them.
So while it may be difficult for them to find out that it happened, if they do find out they are entirely justified in banning your account.
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Is it agaisnt the rules for a person to let another person play on his account for like a tournament?
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I was permanently banned for sharing an account that nobody even played on, it was just to store our teams cards on. The account had over $5,000 in magic cards on it, and every single account under my name was banned, including that one.
I've been trying to get it unbanned for over 5 years... :\
The moral of the story is, don't allow multiple computers to sign into one account. Not even once. Multiple persons on one machine with one internet connection using the same account is undetectable.
I was permanently banned for sharing an account that nobody even played on, it was just to store our teams cards on. The account had over $5,000 in magic cards on it, and every single account under my name was banned, including that one.
I've been trying to get it unbanned for over 5 years... :\
what? man thats awful. I understand not wanting multiple people playing tourneys on one account cause that could easily rack up the Qualifyer points and player of the year points if they were going for that. but using an account as a locker room for your friends seems rediculous that they would ban it.
although they cant just ban you because your account was logged on at another internet connection or something, when i get bored of playtesting for standard at my friends i sometimes sign in and do a draft, and sometimes the internet disconects and you have to make a made dash to your neighbors and rudely be like sup stealing your internet explain later 'bam'
I have used different computers with different IP addresses to sign into my account and it hasn't been a problem. The prohibition is on using someone else's account, not on using your own account.
You can keep asking "what-if" questions all day; the answer is still the same; unless you're a parent and you're allowing one of your children to use your account, sharing your account is a violation of the User Agreement.
Even if you're also in the room.
Even if you have more than one computer.
I'm not saying you can't do those things, but if you do, and you get caught, your account can be suspended and/or banned, and it will be entirely your fault.
The best way to not get caught is to not violate the User Agreement.
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I doubt they do it by IP. I spend half my time at college, where I mtgo on a vareity of different routers (need something to do in class, right?). I also mtgo at home, relative's houses, work and coffee shops...
Yeah, if it's like me (traveling), I don't see the problem. I use roughly 5-7 different locations to play regularly, with various hotel connections also being used.
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Odds of pulling a JtMS from a WWK pack: 1:80
Odds of pulling any specific rare in 5th Edition: 1:133
So, on average, 1 JtMS every 2.222 boxes or 1 Bird of Paradise every 3.694 boxes. Yeah, I'll take my odds with Mythics, they are easier to get than old rares.
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Yeah, it's most likely a red flag when there's an account being accessed by 4-5 different IPs a day, and all over the country/world.
I doubt it's from getting booted from a connection, because sometimes, I'll leave mtgo running at work, or a friend's house and then have to boot myself from my own account to play at home.
Yeah, it's most likely a red flag when there's an account being accessed by 4-5 different IPs a day, and all over the country/world.
I doubt it's from getting booted from a connection, because sometimes, I'll leave mtgo running at work, or a friend's house and then have to boot myself from my own account to play at home.
The reason I think a person logging in while another player is playing throws a flag isnt really the same as this situation. While I dont know what MTGOs capabilities and security measurements are-- my thoughts are that they probably have a way of telling if an account is active or idle-- which most games seem to have. If an account goes idle and gets booted off by a new active connection from a different IP-- that probably doesnt throw a flag so much because it could be the situation you stated above... but if an account is active and it happens-- it may.
Likewise, just because a flag gets thrown, it may not mean that an account gets actioned against. Indeed-- it sounds more like it probably takes several flags (perhaps even so many in a given amount of time) before the account either gets reviewed or automaticaly actioned against (I dont know their inner workings so its pure speculation).
There's a pretty simple methodology they use, and if you're trying to game the system you will get caught and banned for it - but as long as you're not someone trying to actively abuse the system it's basically impossible to get in trouble for it.
Note however to the OP that inquiring about it does really give the implication that you're thinking of dastardly applications.
[It's similar in that regard to drafting with a friend in the same pod and communicating information about the packs - technically it's completely against the rules, but the system has enough leniency that someone who does it occasionally on a random lark won't get pegged by it, while those that do it with frequency do suffer for it]
I own two accounts. I bought the 2nd account for my nephew who is 9 years old (and who doesn't have a credit card), so that he can play me on it. He lives about 7 hours from me. When we want to play, I load up both accounts on my computer, then transfer any cards to "his" account, email him the .dec files, then I log off the 2nd account, then he logs int and we play. When we're done playing, I log back into both accounts and transfer myself back the cards. I don't use the 2nd account for anything other than games with my nephew. As we are sharing cards right now, I'm sure this is unacceptable.
What if, however, I bought him or if he were to buy for himself every single card he is going to use? This would mean that I would no longer share any of my cards with him. Would this situation violate the rules? I would only be accessing "his" account then just to set it up for him, to make decks, or otherwise do management stuff enabling us to play together. At the end of the day, we still have two accounts, one for me, one for me, with separate cards.
Is there anyway I can tell this to Wizards in advance so that they don't banhammer both accounts?
Just curious why your 9 year old nephew isn't savy enough to use a trade screen? You could easily use the decklist as a checklist (the trade program automatically selects the cards in the list for trade).
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It's not that he couldn't do it, but it's not worth the time. He plays on a crappy laptop. I see absolutely no need that I should sit there on skype trying to explain things to him that are only hard to do because the MTGO client is terrible, when I could just do it myself in a few minutes.
Also, the account he uses has all the DPA cards on it. If he has any kind of problem with the DPA cards, it would be a whole lot easier for me to deal with it by just logging into it, then trying to help him figure it out. We have a limited amount of time to play when we play. It would be ridiculous to waste time saying things like, "Okay set the filter to Classic. Remember what the filter is? No? See the top of the screen? See the bar that says all cards? Click that. Click classic. Don't see classic? Scroll down." Ad infinitum until I give up messing with it because we only have 30 to 40 minutes to play at a time.
If the MTGO client is improved in a way that is intuitive and easy to use, then that would be fine. The client sucks. It probably takes me 3 minutes to do it when it would take us much longer than that over skype.
Oh and it's not like he's great with computers or anything. He's still learning the game. The client is terrible to deal with even to many computer savvy adults. I don't think it's unreasonable not to want to put him through that, potentially turning him off from even wanting to play, when I could just do it myself.
EDIT: Oh and it won't matter anyway since I'm going to buy him his own cards for any decks from now on. All I would be doing for him on his account is logging in, seeing which cards he needs, buying them for his account, making the .dec file, then logging off.
The more I talk to people, intuitive is different to different people. The easier you simplify a UI, generally the less options you have. Someone who plays only multiplayer wants to know why its so hard to get to multiplayer games. "They should make it more intuitive" and put Multiplayer as an option right up front, where spikes think "They should make it more inutitive and load the tournament room right away".
The big problem is that there is so much stuff undocumented without having to search the four corners of the web you'd never find it all. Trading with a checklist is one of those things. If you email him the decklist. He can open trade with you from the buddy list, hit load checklist and watch it suck all the cards out of your account. Then he sets everything to trade and you do the reverse when you want your cards back.
I really don't think since both accounts are on your credit card and the other party is a minor that there is an issue, but I think the TOS says Parent/Guardian. If so they can be sticky about it if they really wanted to.
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All of that about loading the deck list is a non issue to my question really since I'm not going to be trading him cards at all from my account, or buying cards for his account using my account, although I do greatly appreciate the tip.
Whether I log into his account to buy cards for his account, or buy cards for his account on my account (which would still require me to log into his account to see which cards he needs, which would take a whole lot more work since I'd have to cross reference everything), at the end of the day, I still have to log into his account for management purposes. I don't want to get the banhammer for this, since I'm doing it only to enable him to play with me online.
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I've seen reports on this forum of users having their accounts suspended or banned as a result of WotC suspecting another person of using them.
So while it may be difficult for them to find out that it happened, if they do find out they are entirely justified in banning your account.
I was permanently banned for sharing an account that nobody even played on, it was just to store our teams cards on. The account had over $5,000 in magic cards on it, and every single account under my name was banned, including that one.
I've been trying to get it unbanned for over 5 years... :\
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=399504
However, if you want to make sure your account is not banned, you need to be the only one using it. Anything else is playing with fire.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=399504
what? man thats awful. I understand not wanting multiple people playing tourneys on one account cause that could easily rack up the Qualifyer points and player of the year points if they were going for that. but using an account as a locker room for your friends seems rediculous that they would ban it.
although they cant just ban you because your account was logged on at another internet connection or something, when i get bored of playtesting for standard at my friends i sometimes sign in and do a draft, and sometimes the internet disconects and you have to make a made dash to your neighbors and rudely be like sup stealing your internet explain later 'bam'
Even if you're also in the room.
Even if you have more than one computer.
I'm not saying you can't do those things, but if you do, and you get caught, your account can be suspended and/or banned, and it will be entirely your fault.
The best way to not get caught is to not violate the User Agreement.
Or-- a player logs in one day from Arizona, the next in florida, 10 mins later in arizona, and back to florida that evening.
Odds of pulling any specific rare in 5th Edition: 1:133
So, on average, 1 JtMS every 2.222 boxes or 1 Bird of Paradise every 3.694 boxes. Yeah, I'll take my odds with Mythics, they are easier to get than old rares.
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I doubt it's from getting booted from a connection, because sometimes, I'll leave mtgo running at work, or a friend's house and then have to boot myself from my own account to play at home.
The reason I think a person logging in while another player is playing throws a flag isnt really the same as this situation. While I dont know what MTGOs capabilities and security measurements are-- my thoughts are that they probably have a way of telling if an account is active or idle-- which most games seem to have. If an account goes idle and gets booted off by a new active connection from a different IP-- that probably doesnt throw a flag so much because it could be the situation you stated above... but if an account is active and it happens-- it may.
Likewise, just because a flag gets thrown, it may not mean that an account gets actioned against. Indeed-- it sounds more like it probably takes several flags (perhaps even so many in a given amount of time) before the account either gets reviewed or automaticaly actioned against (I dont know their inner workings so its pure speculation).
Note however to the OP that inquiring about it does really give the implication that you're thinking of dastardly applications.
[It's similar in that regard to drafting with a friend in the same pod and communicating information about the packs - technically it's completely against the rules, but the system has enough leniency that someone who does it occasionally on a random lark won't get pegged by it, while those that do it with frequency do suffer for it]
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I own two accounts. I bought the 2nd account for my nephew who is 9 years old (and who doesn't have a credit card), so that he can play me on it. He lives about 7 hours from me. When we want to play, I load up both accounts on my computer, then transfer any cards to "his" account, email him the .dec files, then I log off the 2nd account, then he logs int and we play. When we're done playing, I log back into both accounts and transfer myself back the cards. I don't use the 2nd account for anything other than games with my nephew. As we are sharing cards right now, I'm sure this is unacceptable.
What if, however, I bought him or if he were to buy for himself every single card he is going to use? This would mean that I would no longer share any of my cards with him. Would this situation violate the rules? I would only be accessing "his" account then just to set it up for him, to make decks, or otherwise do management stuff enabling us to play together. At the end of the day, we still have two accounts, one for me, one for me, with separate cards.
Is there anyway I can tell this to Wizards in advance so that they don't banhammer both accounts?
Also, the account he uses has all the DPA cards on it. If he has any kind of problem with the DPA cards, it would be a whole lot easier for me to deal with it by just logging into it, then trying to help him figure it out. We have a limited amount of time to play when we play. It would be ridiculous to waste time saying things like, "Okay set the filter to Classic. Remember what the filter is? No? See the top of the screen? See the bar that says all cards? Click that. Click classic. Don't see classic? Scroll down." Ad infinitum until I give up messing with it because we only have 30 to 40 minutes to play at a time.
If the MTGO client is improved in a way that is intuitive and easy to use, then that would be fine. The client sucks. It probably takes me 3 minutes to do it when it would take us much longer than that over skype.
Oh and it's not like he's great with computers or anything. He's still learning the game. The client is terrible to deal with even to many computer savvy adults. I don't think it's unreasonable not to want to put him through that, potentially turning him off from even wanting to play, when I could just do it myself.
EDIT: Oh and it won't matter anyway since I'm going to buy him his own cards for any decks from now on. All I would be doing for him on his account is logging in, seeing which cards he needs, buying them for his account, making the .dec file, then logging off.
The big problem is that there is so much stuff undocumented without having to search the four corners of the web you'd never find it all. Trading with a checklist is one of those things. If you email him the decklist. He can open trade with you from the buddy list, hit load checklist and watch it suck all the cards out of your account. Then he sets everything to trade and you do the reverse when you want your cards back.
I really don't think since both accounts are on your credit card and the other party is a minor that there is an issue, but I think the TOS says Parent/Guardian. If so they can be sticky about it if they really wanted to.
Whether I log into his account to buy cards for his account, or buy cards for his account on my account (which would still require me to log into his account to see which cards he needs, which would take a whole lot more work since I'd have to cross reference everything), at the end of the day, I still have to log into his account for management purposes. I don't want to get the banhammer for this, since I'm doing it only to enable him to play with me online.