This list is a lot closer to older builds (looks a lot more like what I play), with two unconventional SB choices (2 Chameleons and 1 Leyline).
I know Bay browses here occasionally, so I'd like to hear his take on those three cards in particular over the course of his testing and this challenge event.
This list is a lot closer to older builds (looks a lot more like what I play), with two unconventional SB choices (2 Chameleons and 1 Leyline).
I know Bay browses here occasionally, so I'd like to hear his take on those three cards in particular over the course of his testing and this challenge event.
Thanks for the heads up!
Also interesting is his mana base: 2 Forest, 6 Mountain, 8 RG duals, instead of the "normal" 3 Forest, 7 Mountain, 6 RG duals.
Comparing his maindeck to mine shows the following differences (+ means changing his deck to become mine):
+3 Courser
+1 Tracker
+2 Relic
+2 KHE
-4 Bolt
-2 Omen
-2 Anger
I'm still not big on Omen, and I love KHE. But with so much GW Company and BW Eldrazi Online, I could see moving back to a more "traditional" build with maindeck red removal.
I just started running 1 Chameleon sideboard but haven't used it yet. I would also be interested to hear his experience with it.
Hi guys, going to an IQ this weekend and I am looking for feedback for the following list:
Your list is pretty typical other than Pia. Did you have specific questions? If not, then specific card choices really just come down to personal preference. For example, I run a mono-green maindeck and have been doing well with it. Others prefer red removal. Others prefer a black splash. There is no "right" answer.
I would say your sideboard looks pretty random. Did you have a specific plan for each of those cards, or did you just throw in stuff that sounded good? For example, why 2 Claim, 1 Grudge, 1 Sage, and 2 Beast Within? What enchantments are you worried enough about that you need 2 Claim? Grudge is much better against Affinity, and Beast Within is passable as an answer to Blood Moon.
Hi guys, going to an IQ this weekend and I am looking for feedback for the following list:
Your list is pretty typical other than Pia. Did you have specific questions? If not, then specific card choices really just come down to personal preference. For example, I run a mono-green maindeck and have been doing well with it. Others prefer red removal. Others prefer a black splash. There is no "right" answer.
I would say your sideboard looks pretty random. Did you have a specific plan for each of those cards, or did you just throw in stuff that sounded good? For example, why 2 Claim, 1 Grudge, 1 Sage, and 2 Beast Within? What enchantments are you worried enough about that you need 2 Claim? Grudge is much better against Affinity, and Beast Within is passable as an answer to Blood Moon.
I just wanted additional answers for Ad Nauseam. I guess I could cut Claims. I wanted to make room for Chameleon Colossus anyway
I'm not saying 2 Claims is weird. I'm saying it seems like overkill to run 1 Sage, 1 Grudge, 2 Claim, AND 2 Beast Within.
Axel, I disagree on Forest count. If you expect Blood Moon, just prioritize basic Forest. Once you have the first, you can easily get the second. There have been a few successful lists lately only running 2 Forest.
The lists that run 2 forest are usually Jund or Naya.
And they typically will run a plains or a swamp over the 3rd forest, which makes perfect sense.
Cutting a forest in a straight RG list does not make sense to me.
I find that my games against Grixis DS come down to being able to natural Valakut them out. If I get stalled on Mountain count such that I can't do that, then I lose much more often.
I think about it this way: "what decks care about my having basic Forests, and how much of the metagame do they represent"? 1 of the top 13 Modern decks (according to MTG Goldfish) play Blood Moon, and that is UR Storm in the sideboard. Affinity may run 1-2 sideboard, but that's a maybe. Storm is already a tough matchup, so Blood Moon doesn't change my win percentage much. If none of the decks I expect to face and beat are Blood Moon decks (which is really the only reason to run basic Forests over duals), then I am better off with other lands instead.
In my last 130 League matches Online, I have played against UR Storm 6 times and 0 other decks that run Blood Moon.
If you truly expect to never face blood moon, cutting forests for Stomping Grounds is fine. But in a paper meta such as a GP or most local game stores, you don't just see the top performing online decks. You will see a lot of stuff. So, I will not recommend going lower than 3 basic forests in RG to anyone unless they are specifically asking me for advice on how to build for the MTGO competitive league meta. Or give me a very very specific metagame they expect to play and I see no blood moons.
An important thing to remember, keeping your green count high enough to always have it on turn 1 in case you have SFT in hand is very important. So, if you are cutting forests, it should be for fetches or stomping grounds so that you don't mess up the green sources, not for basic mountain.
As for Natures Claim + Ancient Grudge + Rec Sage + Beast Within, that does seem excessive. Cut the ancient grudges as they are the least wide reaching. I'm also not a huge fan of Beast Within, but it's not bad.
@Heenock, I see in your signature that you also play eldrazi tron. Can you tell me about that matchup? I have only played it a small number of times and as it gets more popular I would like to have an idea of how to navigate the matchup.
FWIW, Nature's Claim has caused me to lose a couple of games due to the opponent gaining 4 life and me unable to combo out at 7 lands. The 1 turn delay to combo with 8 lands has made me lose races. I prefer Destructive Revelry nowadays - even if the opponent does not fetch to 18, the 2 damage ties in nicely to make Scapeshift at 7 lands lethal
might not be as good as anger but killing a lili on the way sounds like a good bonus to me and 5 damage is much bether than 3 even if the creatures are not exile iam pleased, fits perfectly for the eldrazi tron MU
Im not gonna say don't try the new sweeper, but the reason we run Anger of the Gods is because it adequately deals with the Aggro decks before they kill us. The only way the new 5 mana one does that is if we are on the play and suspend search on 1 and ramp on 2.
Im not gonna say don't try the new sweeper, but the reason we run Anger of the Gods is because it adequately deals with the Aggro decks before they kill us. The only way the new 5 mana one does that is if we are on the play and suspend search on 1 and ramp on 2.
by aggro deck i guess you meant dredge? because thats the main reasons we play anger over sweltering suns and since there is no dredge player in my meta i think this will be perfect (for me) since everyone at my LGS plays etither 8rack, eldrazi tron, homebrew and death shadow variant.
sweltering suns and anger are dead cards against deathshadow and 5 damage can get rid of tarmo and you know if i get that lili at the same time its cool, like i said i will try it but for my meta only, i wouldnt bring this to a tournament and testing never hurts
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Your points make sense. For clarity, I just typed Anger because I was too lazy to also type Sweltering Suns. I actually did mean Aggro as in all of the billion Aggro decks. Also, Anger is good against quite a few other decks not just Dredge.
I had a pretty sweet draw a couple games ago that I wanted to share.
Turn 1: Forest, suspend Search.
Turn 2: Mountain, play KHE.
Turn 3: Opponent tapped out. Search resolves, finding Mountain. Play Tireless Tracker. Play fetchland, getting a clue. Pop fetchland for Cinder Glade, getting a clue. Pop KHE for 2 Mountain, getting 2 clues. Play Relic of Progenitus.
Turn 4: Start the turn with 6 lands, 4 clues, Tracker, and Relic. Pop Relic, drawing Titan, play Cinder Glade, get a 5th clue, and play Titan!
Not too shabby
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UBWAd Nauseam WBU
CEldrazi TronC
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/683372#paper
This list is a lot closer to older builds (looks a lot more like what I play), with two unconventional SB choices (2 Chameleons and 1 Leyline).
I know Bay browses here occasionally, so I'd like to hear his take on those three cards in particular over the course of his testing and this challenge event.
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Thanks for the heads up!
Also interesting is his mana base: 2 Forest, 6 Mountain, 8 RG duals, instead of the "normal" 3 Forest, 7 Mountain, 6 RG duals.
Comparing his maindeck to mine shows the following differences (+ means changing his deck to become mine):
+3 Courser
+1 Tracker
+2 Relic
+2 KHE
-4 Bolt
-2 Omen
-2 Anger
I'm still not big on Omen, and I love KHE. But with so much GW Company and BW Eldrazi Online, I could see moving back to a more "traditional" build with maindeck red removal.
I just started running 1 Chameleon sideboard but haven't used it yet. I would also be interested to hear his experience with it.
4 Primeval Titan
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Wood Elves
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
4 Scapeshift
4 Search for Tomorrow
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Farseek
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Summoner's Pact
1 Explore
6 Mountain
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Cinder Glade
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Stomping Ground
3 Windswept Heath
2 Forest
SB:
2 Obstinate Baloth
2 Tireless Tracker
2 Beast Within
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Roast
2 Nature's Claim
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Thragtusk
1 Ancient Grudge
Thanks in advance
Your list is pretty typical other than Pia. Did you have specific questions? If not, then specific card choices really just come down to personal preference. For example, I run a mono-green maindeck and have been doing well with it. Others prefer red removal. Others prefer a black splash. There is no "right" answer.
I would say your sideboard looks pretty random. Did you have a specific plan for each of those cards, or did you just throw in stuff that sounded good? For example, why 2 Claim, 1 Grudge, 1 Sage, and 2 Beast Within? What enchantments are you worried enough about that you need 2 Claim? Grudge is much better against Affinity, and Beast Within is passable as an answer to Blood Moon.
I just wanted additional answers for Ad Nauseam. I guess I could cut Claims. I wanted to make room for Chameleon Colossus anyway
Claim lets you hit Expedition Map on the draw, which Grudge doesn't.
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Axel, I disagree on Forest count. If you expect Blood Moon, just prioritize basic Forest. Once you have the first, you can easily get the second. There have been a few successful lists lately only running 2 Forest.
I find that my games against Grixis DS come down to being able to natural Valakut them out. If I get stalled on Mountain count such that I can't do that, then I lose much more often.
I think about it this way: "what decks care about my having basic Forests, and how much of the metagame do they represent"? 1 of the top 13 Modern decks (according to MTG Goldfish) play Blood Moon, and that is UR Storm in the sideboard. Affinity may run 1-2 sideboard, but that's a maybe. Storm is already a tough matchup, so Blood Moon doesn't change my win percentage much. If none of the decks I expect to face and beat are Blood Moon decks (which is really the only reason to run basic Forests over duals), then I am better off with other lands instead.
In my last 130 League matches Online, I have played against UR Storm 6 times and 0 other decks that run Blood Moon.
I'm not the only one playing just 2 Forests. Bayesta_93 went 6-0 in the Modern Challenge: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/683372#online
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UBWAd Nauseam WBU
CEldrazi TronC
An important thing to remember, keeping your green count high enough to always have it on turn 1 in case you have SFT in hand is very important. So, if you are cutting forests, it should be for fetches or stomping grounds so that you don't mess up the green sources, not for basic mountain.
As for Natures Claim + Ancient Grudge + Rec Sage + Beast Within, that does seem excessive. Cut the ancient grudges as they are the least wide reaching. I'm also not a huge fan of Beast Within, but it's not bad.
@Heenock, I see in your signature that you also play eldrazi tron. Can you tell me about that matchup? I have only played it a small number of times and as it gets more popular I would like to have an idea of how to navigate the matchup.
Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
might not be as good as anger but killing a lili on the way sounds like a good bonus to me and 5 damage is much bether than 3 even if the creatures are not exile iam pleased, fits perfectly for the eldrazi tron MU
anger of the gods, sweltering suns, firespout and hour of devastation i love that we have some more choices now
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Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
by aggro deck i guess you meant dredge? because thats the main reasons we play anger over sweltering suns and since there is no dredge player in my meta i think this will be perfect (for me) since everyone at my LGS plays etither 8rack, eldrazi tron, homebrew and death shadow variant.
sweltering suns and anger are dead cards against deathshadow and 5 damage can get rid of tarmo and you know if i get that lili at the same time its cool, like i said i will try it but for my meta only, i wouldnt bring this to a tournament and testing never hurts
top 5 anime of all time (tv, not books because dragon ball would be first)
1. Sword art online 2. Fairy tail 3. Naruto(shipuden) 4. Bleach 5. Claymore
Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
Turn 1: Forest, suspend Search.
Turn 2: Mountain, play KHE.
Turn 3: Opponent tapped out. Search resolves, finding Mountain. Play Tireless Tracker. Play fetchland, getting a clue. Pop fetchland for Cinder Glade, getting a clue. Pop KHE for 2 Mountain, getting 2 clues. Play Relic of Progenitus.
Turn 4: Start the turn with 6 lands, 4 clues, Tracker, and Relic. Pop Relic, drawing Titan, play Cinder Glade, get a 5th clue, and play Titan!
Not too shabby