It's very rare that you actually traverse for a GCR and pretty much every time you have a GCR, it would be better to just be a TBR. This was already heavily debated.
Does anyone Saw this list ? Monastery Mentor instead of Lingering Souls seems pretty interesting, I wonder if it can be a good replacement, and if Young Pyromancer could take thé white out of thé deck. Don't know if this has already be discussed tho.
I don't see how it's any better than Souls. Souls gives you two creatures and can be recast if countered. If Mentor gets countered or removed before you have a chance to get anything good out of it, it's a wasted turn. Too risky for me and I don't think it improves our bad matchups any more than Souls does.
Spooly, at the Classic, Blood Moon was being jammed I'm EVERYTHING.
Jeskai was EVERYWHERE
I played two Jeskai decks, and my jeskai friend played the mirror four times, I think.
Does that just make the traverse shadow bad to play in that scenario or just shadow decks in general?
I expect the PT to be a linear mess, but Opens tend to have a ton of Jeskai decks.
I think it's bad for all versions of shadow. Grixis or pure Jund Traverse Shadow are both still going to have lots of problems with UWR and mana denial (and graveyard hate).
I agree about the PT, though I'm including big mana in that. Maybe the Open meta will shift in response, making things more favorable for shadow decks. But at opens right now, I'd be inclined to be on something like Valakut.
Spooly, at the Classic, Blood Moon was being jammed I'm EVERYTHING.
Jeskai was EVERYWHERE
I played two Jeskai decks, and my jeskai friend played the mirror four times, I think.
Does that just make the traverse shadow bad to play in that scenario or just shadow decks in general?
I expect the PT to be a linear mess, but Opens tend to have a ton of Jeskai decks.
I think it's bad for all versions of shadow. Grixis or pure Jund Traverse Shadow are both still going to have lots of problems with UWR and mana denial (and graveyard hate).
I agree about the PT, though I'm including big mana in that. Maybe the Open meta will shift in response, making things more favorable for shadow decks. But at opens right now, I'd be inclined to be on something like Valakut.
Valakut and Big Tron were eaten alive at the Classic, and not for lack of trying. There were a ton in the early rounds and they dissapeared if you managed to make it to the top tables.
just curious if you could be more specific with your statement of blood moon being in "everything". examples?
Jund decks, a lot of Ponza players, a Living End Blue player with Moon, who I sat next to, the guy playing the red prison deck in the top, who I also sat right next to. People were coming ready to punish big mana and greedy mana bases. It's honestly why I think the top 8 classic had some funky decks to it.
An extra 4 damage is nothing compared to what TBR gives us - no contest.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
Yeah, which takes away the entire element of surprise and still only adds 4 damage. TBR is insane, there's no comparing the two.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
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Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
I don't see how it's any better than Souls. Souls gives you two creatures and can be recast if countered. If Mentor gets countered or removed before you have a chance to get anything good out of it, it's a wasted turn. Too risky for me and I don't think it improves our bad matchups any more than Souls does.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
Also, did anyone ever discuss Nathan Holidays list from weeks ago?
If that stuff is really all over the place, this deck is probably not where you want to be.
I saw that list. If cutting lingering souls from the 75 is right, I'm more inclined to cut white altogether to be honest. It was a bit perplexing.
Spooly, at the Classic, Blood Moon was being jammed I'm EVERYTHING.
Jeskai was EVERYWHERE
I played two Jeskai decks, and my jeskai friend played the mirror four times, I think.
Does that just make the traverse shadow bad to play in that scenario or just shadow decks in general?
I expect the PT to be a linear mess, but Opens tend to have a ton of Jeskai decks.
I think it's bad for all versions of shadow. Grixis or pure Jund Traverse Shadow are both still going to have lots of problems with UWR and mana denial (and graveyard hate).
I agree about the PT, though I'm including big mana in that. Maybe the Open meta will shift in response, making things more favorable for shadow decks. But at opens right now, I'd be inclined to be on something like Valakut.
Valakut and Big Tron were eaten alive at the Classic, and not for lack of trying. There were a ton in the early rounds and they dissapeared if you managed to make it to the top tables.
I do think big mana will do well at the PT though
Jund decks, a lot of Ponza players, a Living End Blue player with Moon, who I sat next to, the guy playing the red prison deck in the top, who I also sat right next to. People were coming ready to punish big mana and greedy mana bases. It's honestly why I think the top 8 classic had some funky decks to it.