Recent finishes yeah, but not finsihes prior to the ban and fatal push. But thats the thing I was wandering about. Recently the numbers seem to be increasing to 4. And Jund did not make any major finishes after the ban actually.
Recent finishes yeah, but not finsihes prior to the ban and fatal push. But thats the thing I was wandering about. Recently the numbers seem to be increasing to 4.
People seemed to cut a fetchland for the fourth ravine is what I see. 9 fetchlands was the staple, but recently I see more 8 fetchlands. I don't know I like this because we have to add fatal push to the deck. I think I would play something like this:
People seemed to cut a fetchland for the fourth ravine is what I see. 9 fetchlands was the staple, but recently I see more 8 fetchlands. I don't know I like this because we have to add fatal push to the deck. I think I would play something like this:
I like cutting Mire because it can't produce colour on its own. I think 9 fetchlands are still needed due to fatal push.
I only run x2 fatal push. I don't think I'd go up to x4 any time soon. As a result, fetch argument is less relevant.
Though if you are play x4 fatal push, I could see it.
Even playing 2 is more than 0 like before where we had 9 fetchlands. I play 3 pushes and absolutely play 9 fetchlands.
fair. My list is net-decked from the team unified Modern deck.
Really liked his list so I decided to go with it. The biggest difference is side boarding decisions.
Do you think Dredge has died in popularity enough to make having no gy hate ok?
I used to splash white for Rhino, Path and Souls but I dropped it due to the potential power not outweighing the clunkiness of it. This is the current list I'm rolling with and I think it covers the entire metagame quite nicely:
Even playing 2 is more than 0 like before where we had 9 fetchlands. I play 3 pushes and absolutely play 9 fetchlands.
fair. My list is net-decked from the team unified Modern deck.
Really liked his list so I decided to go with it. The biggest difference is side boarding decisions.
Do you think Dredge has died in popularity enough to make having no gy hate ok?
I think FlyingDelver is spot on with that mana base, It's exactly what I'm playing with except I'm messing around with a Treetop Village over a Raging Ravine and a 3/1 Split of Cliffs to Marsh as I'm on the Fatal Push plan. I actually think Dredge has been picking up in popularity recently because of it's matchup with DS decks, but the biggest GY based strategies to watch for in the near future will be Abzan Company and Living End. Company has the new combo and I've seen new lists that can win multiple ways instead of getting completely hosed. Living End just got a ton of new toys and seems to be picking up online and in paper. I think it's one of the most underrated decks in Modern right now but we'll see what happens in the month before Vegas. I would never have less than two GY hate cards in my SB at any time. I approach my weekly Modern events with the mentality that I have a 75 that could compete in a larger event. For example, if my local event had 15 people with six Burn players, I wouldn't shove 8 life gain cards into my sideboard because that wouldn't help me improve my competitive play, it would just help me win my weekly event, and that's not really the goal I'm going for. On top of the two decks I mentioned, both Grixis and Jund Death's Shadow utilize the GY and Storm is now Tier 1, so cut GY at your own risk!
Even playing 2 is more than 0 like before where we had 9 fetchlands. I play 3 pushes and absolutely play 9 fetchlands.
fair. My list is net-decked from the team unified Modern deck.
Really liked his list so I decided to go with it. The biggest difference is side boarding decisions.
Do you think Dredge has died in popularity enough to make having no gy hate ok?
I think FlyingDelver is spot on with that mana base, It's exactly what I'm playing with except I'm messing around with a Treetop Village over a Raging Ravine and a 3/1 Split of Cliffs to Marsh as I'm on the Fatal Push plan. I actually think Dredge has been picking up in popularity recently because of it's matchup with DS decks, but the biggest GY based strategies to watch for in the near future will be Abzan Company and Living End. Company has the new combo and I've seen new lists that can win multiple ways instead of getting completely hosed. Living End just got a ton of new toys and seems to be picking up online and in paper. I think it's one of the most underrated decks in Modern right now but we'll see what happens in the month before Vegas. I would never have less than two GY hate cards in my SB at any time. I approach my weekly Modern events with the mentality that I have a 75 that could compete in a larger event. For example, if my local event had 15 people with six Burn players, I wouldn't shove 8 life gain cards into my sideboard because that wouldn't help me improve my competitive play, it would just help me win my weekly event, and that's not really the goal I'm going for. On top of the two decks I mentioned, both Grixis and Jund Death's Shadow utilize the GY and Storm is now Tier 1, so cut GY at your own risk!
I still don't believe Storm is a tier 1 deck. The Tier classification system has changed (Knightfall is also now listed as tier 1).
Regardless, You don't really need GY hate to beat Grixis, Jund Death Shadow, or even Knightfall/Coco decks.
You should have enough hand disruption + removal to be favored vs those deck anyways.
The only GY based deck that I would actually want GY hate for would be Dredge. And dredge is still less then 1% of the paper meta.
I run all 3, but the advantage to Bonfire is it's much more effective against smaller creature decks, like Burn, Elves, and Affinity. When you miracle it ,it usually wipes their board for less than or equivalent mana than the other sweepers and always damages the opponent. It can also be used to close out the game as a highly costed burn spell.
Whether you believe it or not, it's listed as Tier 1 on multiple sites. But if you only want GY hate for a single match-up then you are a special kind of Jund player.
Whether you believe it or not, it's listed as Tier 1 on multiple sites. But if you only want GY hate for a single match-up then you are a special kind of Jund player.
We should have a good matchup vs storm regardless of GY hate. I don't think GY hate is necessary for Storm at all even if it was tier 1.
If you're MB is that same as the list you posted a couple hours ago, you've got 11 cards that gain you life, so you're obviously packing super heavy for Burn. You're most flexible spots here are the 2 Feed the Clans. Replacing those two with any combination of Spellbomb, Cage, etc. would balance it out a little.
If you're MB is that same as the list you posted a couple hours ago, you've got 11 cards that gain you life, so you're obviously packing super heavy for Burn. You're most flexible spots here are the 2 Feed the Clans. Replacing those two with any combination of Spellbomb, Cage, etc. would balance it out a little.
Don't think you want to cut feed the clan unless you don't want to sure up burn (which is 5% of the meta).
You will always play at least one burn player in a two day tournament. ATM dredge is more of a toss up.
Though I could see cutting -1 damnation, -1feed the clans for +1 bonfire, +1 anger
It just depends on your personal preferences, Feed the Clan is great against Burn but linear in that sense. Since the meta is wide open right now the SB slots are getting very tight. I prefer flexibility, i.e. Kalitas, Pulse of Murasa
It just depends on your personal preferences, Feed the Clan is great against Burn but linear in that sense. Since the meta is wide open right now the SB slots are getting very tight. I prefer flexibility, i.e. Kalitas, Pulse of Murasa
Fair. The big reason I why I decided to use two Damnation instead is because Eldrazi is arguably our toughest matchup.
Having multiple board wipes that hit big creatures really helps there.
I think two Damnations is a great choice in the SB right now against the Eldrazi variants and Etched Champion, among others.
Yea, the big issue is it's hard to justify multiple board wipes (where our main gy hate comes in - anger).
Most play no more than 2 (and 3 max).
Plus... damnation is still good vs non-dredge GY based creature decks (abzan company). Not as good as anger... but it is still VERY good.
EDIT - Although Huntsmaster, Belioth, and Kitchen Finks are good vs burn... they are not in the SB for the burn matchup.
I fear if I cut the feed the clan my win % vs burn falls below 50%.
Ah. I wouldn't know. I just got into Jund.
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2 Overgrown Tomb
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2 Swamp
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I like cutting Mire because it can't produce colour on its own. I think 9 fetchlands are still needed due to fatal push.
I only run x2 fatal push. I don't think I'd go up to x4 any time soon. As a result, fetch argument is less relevant.
Though if you are play x4 fatal push, I could see it.
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fair. My list is net-decked from the team unified Modern deck.
Really liked his list so I decided to go with it. The biggest difference is side boarding decisions.
Do you think Dredge has died in popularity enough to make having no gy hate ok?
Also - Chandra, Torch of Defiance love that card.
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Slam Dunkers
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Terminate
2 Abrupt Decay
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Rude Awakeners
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4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Forest
1 Overgrown Tomb
3 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
1 Kitchen Finks
2 Ancient Grudge
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1 Damnation
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Bonfire of the Damned
Based on my list, are there any matchups or cards I may not have considered that I should give a second look?
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I think FlyingDelver is spot on with that mana base, It's exactly what I'm playing with except I'm messing around with a Treetop Village over a Raging Ravine and a 3/1 Split of Cliffs to Marsh as I'm on the Fatal Push plan. I actually think Dredge has been picking up in popularity recently because of it's matchup with DS decks, but the biggest GY based strategies to watch for in the near future will be Abzan Company and Living End. Company has the new combo and I've seen new lists that can win multiple ways instead of getting completely hosed. Living End just got a ton of new toys and seems to be picking up online and in paper. I think it's one of the most underrated decks in Modern right now but we'll see what happens in the month before Vegas. I would never have less than two GY hate cards in my SB at any time. I approach my weekly Modern events with the mentality that I have a 75 that could compete in a larger event. For example, if my local event had 15 people with six Burn players, I wouldn't shove 8 life gain cards into my sideboard because that wouldn't help me improve my competitive play, it would just help me win my weekly event, and that's not really the goal I'm going for. On top of the two decks I mentioned, both Grixis and Jund Death's Shadow utilize the GY and Storm is now Tier 1, so cut GY at your own risk!
I still don't believe Storm is a tier 1 deck. The Tier classification system has changed (Knightfall is also now listed as tier 1).
Regardless, You don't really need GY hate to beat Grixis, Jund Death Shadow, or even Knightfall/Coco decks.
You should have enough hand disruption + removal to be favored vs those deck anyways.
The only GY based deck that I would actually want GY hate for would be Dredge. And dredge is still less then 1% of the paper meta.
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2 Ancient Grudge
2 damnation
2 Feed the Clan
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
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1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
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We should have a good matchup vs storm regardless of GY hate. I don't think GY hate is necessary for Storm at all even if it was tier 1.
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Don't think you want to cut feed the clan unless you don't want to sure up burn (which is 5% of the meta).
You will always play at least one burn player in a two day tournament. ATM dredge is more of a toss up.
Though I could see cutting -1 damnation, -1feed the clans for +1 bonfire, +1 anger
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Fair. The big reason I why I decided to use two Damnation instead is because Eldrazi is arguably our toughest matchup.
Having multiple board wipes that hit big creatures really helps there.
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Yea, the big issue is it's hard to justify multiple board wipes (where our main gy hate comes in - anger).
Most play no more than 2 (and 3 max).
Plus... damnation is still good vs non-dredge GY based creature decks (abzan company). Not as good as anger... but it is still VERY good.
EDIT - Although Huntsmaster, Belioth, and Kitchen Finks are good vs burn... they are not in the SB for the burn matchup.
I fear if I cut the feed the clan my win % vs burn falls below 50%.
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