I think you're better off playing Blue Moon or whatever else is a better Blood Moon deck.
When talking about implementing and supporting Blood Moon as a card, I do agree. What I personally find appealing about this though is that Jund offers something which Blue Moon doesn't: A fast clock.
The point I keep making against that theory is that, if I have truly locked my opponent out, I can kill them with a ham sandwich two weeks from now. It doesn't matter what my kill condition is essentially. If I still need a fast clock after playing a Blood Moon, something isn't right. More importantly, when I decide to not play Raging Ravine, I'm going to find a different deck.
I am not thinking about matchups where BM just locks them out of the game here (like Bant Eldrazi as an example), because Blood Moon does not provide that against every matchup. Am definitely also not arguing about that approach being a go-to approach now, I just find it interesting. The matchup I am specifically thinking about here is tron. If you land Blood Moon against them, you have nowhere locked them out of the game, they will eventually reach 7 lands in order to cast their goddamn karn or whatever. If you don't have a fast clock there, BM did absolutely nothing in the end. Of course I could just not play it in the first place, but if I want to beat Big Mana in Jund colours, then I find this approach interesting. But not viable enough in a general way of course.
I think running 4 Lilis is still enough planeswalkers maindeck. If you want 4 LoTV, then you can play 0 LtLH and add her to the SB.
Concerning fetchlands, I highly recommend running the full 8 black fetchlands, if you run only 8. Generally, if you want to run 4 basics, then cut the twilight mire for it, and play 9 fetchlands. I would play:
Nice! I am a new Jund deck owner, never played before but just pieced it all together. How did the 4 Bolts go? I just built mine with 4 Pushes and 2 Bolts. What was the sideboard like against Burn? I am assuming I am going to be facing a fair bit of Burn when I finally take the deck out so keen to hear your thoughts!
Nice! I am a new Jund deck owner, never played before but just pieced it all together. How did the 4 Bolts go? I just built mine with 4 Pushes and 2 Bolts. What was the sideboard like against Burn? I am assuming I am going to be facing a fair bit of Burn when I finally take the deck out so keen to hear your thoughts!
Honestly... I can't bring myself to cut Bolt. That might be wrong... but old habbits.
As far as burn goes It's super easy to sideboard. You remove all your self-damaging spells.
-4 dark confidant
-3 thoughtseize
+2 feed the clan
+1 Obstinate Baloth
+1 Kitchen Finks
+1 Huntmaster of the Fells
+1 collected brutality
Thanks for that @Axman. Another quick question. Is it reasonable to expect Blooming Marsh to see more play in Jund as time goes on or are 3-4 Blackcleave Cliffs just 'industry standard'?
Blood moon hurts us pretty badly. If you don't work your mana base around your own blood moons you can lose yourself the game. Some builds do play moon I played it in my sb for a few weeks.
This is my current build. Iv been having a good amount of success with this build
[4x tarmogoyf
4x dark confidant
2x scavenging ooze
2x tireless tracker
2x huntmaster of the fells
4x verdant catacomb
4x bloodstained mire
3x raging ravine
3x blooming marsh
2x Blackcleave cliffs
2x overgrown tomb
2x swamp
1x blood crypt
1x stomping grounds
1x tree top village
1x forest
SB
2x pithing needel
2x collective brutality
2x graft diggers cage
1x grim Lavamancer
1x stormbreath dragon
1x obstante baloth
1x abrupt decay
1x ancient grudge
1x Dammnation
1x night of souls betrayal
1x anger of the gods
1x painful truths]
Iv been enjoying this build it feels more Grindy then previous builds iv played. My Lgs meta is Weird, alot of people play abzan and fringe control decks like skred. With the 3 kolaghan's command the tireless tracker and Lili of the last hope I can one for one all day then start to pick up creatures or draw my self back In the game with clues. My side bored is set up to have a lot of just solid one of since I can't really count of the meta being the same week to week. People like to play alot of flavor of the week decks or home brews.
This is my current build. Iv been having a good amount of success with this build
[4x tarmogoyf
4x dark confidant
2x scavenging ooze
2x tireless tracker
2x huntmaster of the fells
4x verdant catacomb
4x bloodstained mire
3x raging ravine
3x blooming marsh
2x Blackcleave cliffs
2x overgrown tomb
2x swamp
1x blood crypt
1x stomping grounds
1x tree top village
1x forest
SB
2x pithing needel
2x collective brutality
2x graft diggers cage
1x grim Lavamancer
1x stormbreath dragon
1x obstante baloth
1x abrupt decay
1x ancient grudge
1x Dammnation
1x night of souls betrayal
1x anger of the gods
1x painful truths]
Iv been enjoying this build it feels more Grindy then previous builds iv played. My Lgs meta is Weird, alot of people play abzan and fringe control decks like skred. With the 3 kolaghan's command the tireless tracker and Lili of the last hope I can one for one all day then start to pick up creatures or draw my self back In the game with clues. My side bored is set up to have a lot of just solid one of since I can't really count of the meta being the same week to week. People like to play alot of flavor of the week decks or home brews.
I've only been on the deck two weeks (so I could be dead wrong) but I feel like you either want x4 Lightning Bolt or zero.
I really like your build and if I were tempted to cut Lightning Bolt that is how I would build it.
Could someone please help me with the mana base for my build? I'm currently splashing white for Path to Exile, Lingering Souls, Siege Rhino and Stony Silence.
You may want to look at some of the tribal zoo list that I see floating around. But my suggestion is to cut some of your white cards maybe just play souls and no path. Or just a abzan if you really want that.
This is my current build. Iv been having a good amount of success with this build
[4x tarmogoyf
4x dark confidant
2x scavenging ooze
2x tireless tracker
2x huntmaster of the fells
4x verdant catacomb
4x bloodstained mire
3x raging ravine
3x blooming marsh
2x Blackcleave cliffs
2x overgrown tomb
2x swamp
1x blood crypt
1x stomping grounds
1x tree top village
1x forest
SB
2x pithing needel
2x collective brutality
2x graft diggers cage
1x grim Lavamancer
1x stormbreath dragon
1x obstante baloth
1x abrupt decay
1x ancient grudge
1x Dammnation
1x night of souls betrayal
1x anger of the gods
1x painful truths]
Iv been enjoying this build it feels more Grindy then previous builds iv played. My Lgs meta is Weird, alot of people play abzan and fringe control decks like skred. With the 3 kolaghan's command the tireless tracker and Lili of the last hope I can one for one all day then start to pick up creatures or draw my self back In the game with clues. My side bored is set up to have a lot of just solid one of since I can't really count of the meta being the same week to week. People like to play alot of flavor of the week decks or home brews.
I've only been on the deck two weeks (so I could be dead wrong) but I feel like you either want x4 Lightning Bolt or zero.
I really like your build and if I were tempted to cut Lightning Bolt that is how I would build it.
I agree you play 4 bolt or no bolt. I am playing around with the idea of one burst lightning or one forked bolt m
This is my current build. Iv been having a good amount of success with this build
[4x tarmogoyf
4x dark confidant
2x scavenging ooze
2x tireless tracker
2x huntmaster of the fells
4x verdant catacomb
4x bloodstained mire
3x raging ravine
3x blooming marsh
2x Blackcleave cliffs
2x overgrown tomb
2x swamp
1x blood crypt
1x stomping grounds
1x tree top village
1x forest
SB
2x pithing needel
2x collective brutality
2x graft diggers cage
1x grim Lavamancer
1x stormbreath dragon
1x obstante baloth
1x abrupt decay
1x ancient grudge
1x Dammnation
1x night of souls betrayal
1x anger of the gods
1x painful truths]
Iv been enjoying this build it feels more Grindy then previous builds iv played. My Lgs meta is Weird, alot of people play abzan and fringe control decks like skred. With the 3 kolaghan's command the tireless tracker and Lili of the last hope I can one for one all day then start to pick up creatures or draw my self back In the game with clues. My side bored is set up to have a lot of just solid one of since I can't really count of the meta being the same week to week. People like to play alot of flavor of the week decks or home brews.
I've only been on the deck two weeks (so I could be dead wrong) but I feel like you either want x4 Lightning Bolt or zero.
I really like your build and if I were tempted to cut Lightning Bolt that is how I would build it.
I agree you play 4 bolt or no bolt. I am playing around with the idea of one burst lightning or one forked bolt m
For me those are too expensive. I'd rather just have an extra terminate.
This is my current build. Iv been having a good amount of success with this build
[4x tarmogoyf
4x dark confidant
2x scavenging ooze
2x tireless tracker
2x huntmaster of the fells
4x verdant catacomb
4x bloodstained mire
3x raging ravine
3x blooming marsh
2x Blackcleave cliffs
2x overgrown tomb
2x swamp
1x blood crypt
1x stomping grounds
1x tree top village
1x forest
SB
2x pithing needel
2x collective brutality
2x graft diggers cage
1x grim Lavamancer
1x stormbreath dragon
1x obstante baloth
1x abrupt decay
1x ancient grudge
1x Dammnation
1x night of souls betrayal
1x anger of the gods
1x painful truths]
Iv been enjoying this build it feels more Grindy then previous builds iv played. My Lgs meta is Weird, alot of people play abzan and fringe control decks like skred. With the 3 kolaghan's command the tireless tracker and Lili of the last hope I can one for one all day then start to pick up creatures or draw my self back In the game with clues. My side bored is set up to have a lot of just solid one of since I can't really count of the meta being the same week to week. People like to play alot of flavor of the week decks or home brews.
I've only been on the deck two weeks (so I could be dead wrong) but I feel like you either want x4 Lightning Bolt or zero.
I really like your build and if I were tempted to cut Lightning Bolt that is how I would build it.
I agree you play 4 bolt or no bolt. I am playing around with the idea of one burst lightning or one forked bolt m
For me those are too expensive. I'd rather just have an extra terminate.
On the topic of terminate i played a single dreadbore over the 3rd terminate. My Lgs has a skred red player and I wanted a nice clean answer to koth of the hammer but dead bore just turned out to be clunky.
I'd like to see your list if you don't mind. I'm not against lightning bolt by any means.
My current deck list. Took this to Thursday night modern last week and went 3-0-1 (round 1 bye, beat burn twice).
Against burn I lost game 1 both times.
When talking about implementing and supporting Blood Moon as a card, I do agree. What I personally find appealing about this though is that Jund offers something which Blue Moon doesn't: A fast clock.
Concerning fetchlands, I highly recommend running the full 8 black fetchlands, if you run only 8. Generally, if you want to run 4 basics, then cut the twilight mire for it, and play 9 fetchlands. I would play:
4 Verdants
4 Bloodstained
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Blackcleave
3 Raging
2 Overgrown
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping
2 Swamp
2 Forest
The rest seems fine. I guess Finks MB is somewhat underwhelming right now, but you can do it. Never was that good on a general basis though.
Went 3-0-1 at thursday night modern (beating two burn players - had a round 1 bye).
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
Spells
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Fatal Push
2 Kolaghan's Command
3 Terminate
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Blood Crypt
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Twilight Mire
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Raging Ravine
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Ancient Grudge
2 damnation
2 Feed the Clan
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Painful Truths
1 collective brutality
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
Nice! I am a new Jund deck owner, never played before but just pieced it all together. How did the 4 Bolts go? I just built mine with 4 Pushes and 2 Bolts. What was the sideboard like against Burn? I am assuming I am going to be facing a fair bit of Burn when I finally take the deck out so keen to hear your thoughts!
Modern: Jund
Honestly... I can't bring myself to cut Bolt. That might be wrong... but old habbits.
As far as burn goes It's super easy to sideboard. You remove all your self-damaging spells.
-4 dark confidant
-3 thoughtseize
+2 feed the clan
+1 Obstinate Baloth
+1 Kitchen Finks
+1 Huntmaster of the Fells
+1 collected brutality
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
Modern: Jund
[4x tarmogoyf
4x dark confidant
2x scavenging ooze
2x tireless tracker
2x huntmaster of the fells
3x liliana of the veil
1x liliana the last hope
4x fatal push
3x inquisition of kozilek
3x thought size
3x terminate
3x kolaghan's command
1x abrupt decay
1x Maelstrom Pulse
4x verdant catacomb
4x bloodstained mire
3x raging ravine
3x blooming marsh
2x Blackcleave cliffs
2x overgrown tomb
2x swamp
1x blood crypt
1x stomping grounds
1x tree top village
1x forest
SB
2x pithing needel
2x collective brutality
2x graft diggers cage
1x grim Lavamancer
1x stormbreath dragon
1x obstante baloth
1x abrupt decay
1x ancient grudge
1x Dammnation
1x night of souls betrayal
1x anger of the gods
1x painful truths]
Iv been enjoying this build it feels more Grindy then previous builds iv played. My Lgs meta is Weird, alot of people play abzan and fringe control decks like skred. With the 3 kolaghan's command the tireless tracker and Lili of the last hope I can one for one all day then start to pick up creatures or draw my self back In the game with clues. My side bored is set up to have a lot of just solid one of since I can't really count of the meta being the same week to week. People like to play alot of flavor of the week decks or home brews.
I've only been on the deck two weeks (so I could be dead wrong) but I feel like you either want x4 Lightning Bolt or zero.
I really like your build and if I were tempted to cut Lightning Bolt that is how I would build it.
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Grim Flayer
2 Siege Rhino
Blast Ticklers
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Path to Exile
3 Fatal Push
1 Terminate
1 Abrupt Decay
Fun Ruiners
3 Thoughtseize
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Lingering Souls
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Fixer Uppers
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Blooming Marsh
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Blood Crypt
1 Godless Shrine
1 Temple Garden
1 Stomping Ground
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Raging Ravine
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Fulminator Mage
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Surgical Extraction
2 Stony Silence
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Collective Brutality
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Abrupt Decay
For me those are too expensive. I'd rather just have an extra terminate.
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
My current deck list. Took this to Thursday night modern last week and went 3-0-1 (round 1 bye, beat burn twice).
Against burn I lost game 1 both times.
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
Spells
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Fatal Push
2 Kolaghan's Command
3 Terminate
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Blood Crypt
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Twilight Mire
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Raging Ravine
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Ancient Grudge
2 damnation
2 Feed the Clan
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Painful Truths
1 collective brutality
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA