I would opt for the Juza deck. I'm off Abzan now as I really didn't like taking so much damage running the fetch/shock manabase, which I believe to be the best manabase. I like the addition of the RIP to the SB, I've done the same myself as I thought Juza's deck was too soft to GY decks (as seen in his Win and In loss to Martin Muller.
Choose a creature type, that type gets +1/+1, when you play a creature of that type draw a card.
5 mana is expensive but a pseudo Glimpse of Nature and Lord effect?
Methinks this could be okay...play turn 3, turn 4 is bananas. Or as the kids call it, gas? Likely Most often a turn 4 play with the chance to "go off" the same turn.
Playing one of these after an Archdruid=out of pyroclasm range and drawing/playing cards until GG?
Once you've got this and Heritage/nettle/nettle, could potentially play every creature you draw, drawing a card right after?
Top decking with an empty hand seems to be the worst, and at that it's a lord effect.
It's not legendary, so there is a Christmas land where have two of these in play and draw 2 cards for every elf we cast?
Potential downside of if your t1 and/or t2 play eat removal, you never get the chance to cast this?
I would opt for the Juza deck. I'm off Abzan now as I really didn't like taking so much damage running the fetch/shock manabase, which I believe to be the best manabase. I like the addition of the RIP to the SB, I've done the same myself as I thought Juza's deck was too soft to GY decks (as seen in his Win and In loss to Martin Muller.
Thanks for the feedback! I suppose you're right. Strictly GW will be a tad more consistent as well. For the GW list do you think I should cut a path for a 2nd spirit or is 4 paths where we want to be?
Wish I could get an idea of how and against what decks Juza sided in paths. Specifically against the mirror, counters company, and affinity. How many do you think I should bring in and what do I take out?
Also have this conflict with boarding out Nettle or llanowar Elves against grindy decks like shadow or jund. I get they're both bad top decks, however Nettle hits harder and lets me play somewhat midrange if I have path in hand. An early llanowar Elves can get me closer to landing coco
I just top 32'd the scg open with a variation of the Juza deck. After testing for a week before the open, I really liked the consistency of the deck and the couple of different angles to just "oops I win". I really liked the play against control and valakut decks. I also liked the ability to consistently cast white cards from the sideboard. The deck had more play against counters company and storm then abzan imo. I did miss shamans against death shadow decks but I was 4-1-1 against grixis shadow with GW (only loss was being greedy in game three instead of just getting Chameleon Colossus with chord). I think if you are walking into a large event, GW will serve you better.
I would seriously consider Chameleon Colossus in any major event, that card single-handedly crushed multiple opponents. Grixis shadow as basically nothing against it except to chump with Snap or Izzet. I even brought it in against other Bx decks because they have a hard time against it. I did face a few Grafdigger's cage so I was happy with 2 rec sage.
I just top 32'd the scg open with a variation of the Juza deck. After testing for a week before the open, I really liked the consistency of the deck and the couple of different angles to just "oops I win". I really liked the play against control and valakut decks. I also liked the ability to consistently cast white cards from the sideboard. The deck had more play against counters company and storm then abzan imo. I did miss shamans against death shadow decks but I was 4-1-1 against grixis shadow with GW (only loss was being greedy in game three instead of just getting Chameleon Colossus with chord). I think if you are walking into a large event, GW will serve you better.
I would seriously consider Chameleon Colossus in any major event, that card single-handedly crushed multiple opponents. Grixis shadow as basically nothing against it except to chump with Snap or Izzet. I even brought it in against other Bx decks because they have a hard time against it. I did face a few Grafdigger's cage so I was happy with 2 rec sage.
Yes, Chameleon Colossus is the go to guy in any DS deck.. But in your experience is 1 in the side enough? I really like it against DS because the deck really making their life low to make DS big.. and sometime 1 swing with Colossus is enough. And because DS makes a majority of big tournament, I'm thinking to add another 1 in the side. What do you think?
How is it going for you? Staff of Domination seems too cute. For 3 mana, I'd rather just play Archdruid, Ezuri or Shaman, widens the board and keeps you close to lethal.
EDIT: Just realized you have 4 Spellskites and 4 Spirits. Aren't you better off having Heritage Druid and Nettle Sentinel in those spots?
The main problems I've been having with the other versions of the deck are:
1) Getting the infinite mana combo off, but not having anything to do with it
2) Sweepers and other strategic removal stopping the elf ball
Between these two scenarios, the deck has just been too inconsistent for me in the other forms. I've found the Staff to be good because it adds another infinite mana combo while also being an infinite mana win condition for druid/vizier, so it sorta kills two birds with one stone. Really, the deck doesn't need heritage druid or nettle sentinel to win, it just needs to untap with either a Devoted Druid or an Archdruid. But, that's hard to do without selfless / spellskite. Just my $0.02.
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Mirror Entity as a main card in the GB beatdown?
Budget versions of Abzan not running or running 1 Horizon Canopy?
Deck lists by FNM players? One list is running 2 Melira, Sylvok Outcast.
Seriously, you are telling me this is the best there is?
Dont get me wrong, there is some good stuff, but its mixed with so much outdated and faulty information that its hard to read.
As far as decklists are concerned, if you're preoccupied with "the best there is", then please go to MTGtop8.com. The primer is supposed to cover more ground then simply throw the "best" lists at you. FNM lists may not be what you decide to bring to a 256 man tourney but it can sometimes provide new perspectives and insights into local metas and even help when someone played well in a meta similar to your own.
This is exactly right. I am one of the writers for the primer (much of the BG portion) and I can attest to the fact that our goal in writing the primer was "give as much of a wide range of ideas as possible, opening the mind up to different possibilities," not "provide the best and most relevant decklist for competitive players in large tournaments." Are we concerned about competitive players? Yes, of course. I am a competitive player myself. However, we are also concerned about new players who play in FNMs and creative players who want just that nudge towards an interesting idea.
I said there was good stuff, but even for FNM, there were kitchen table lists and obvious mistakes, such as mirror entity in the "primeier" black green list. It's a white card...
Me stating there are mistakes doesn't mean I "need" to go to mtgtop8, it means the primer is sloppy. Posting a home brew as the optimal list is wrong and doesn't seem to go on in every other major tier thread. It's good to talk about various cards, but a primer is to teach and discuss. Not post Jim Bobs 4 man FNM list with pet cards as the basic structure of the deck.
How is it going for you? Staff of Domination seems too cute. For 3 mana, I'd rather just play Archdruid, Ezuri or Shaman, widens the board and keeps you close to lethal.
EDIT: Just realized you have 4 Spellskites and 4 Spirits. Aren't you better off having Heritage Druid and Nettle Sentinel in those spots?
The main problems I've been having with the other versions of the deck are:
1) Getting the infinite mana combo off, but not having anything to do with it
2) Sweepers and other strategic removal stopping the elf ball
Between these two scenarios, the deck has just been too inconsistent for me in the other forms. I've found the Staff to be good because it adds another infinite mana combo while also being an infinite mana win condition for druid/vizier, so it sorta kills two birds with one stone. Really, the deck doesn't need heritage druid or nettle sentinel to win, it just needs to untap with either a Devoted Druid or an Archdruid. But, that's hard to do without selfless / spellskite. Just my $0.02.
That is the reason I'm using Curio combo. You can go off 3rd turn without your opponent knowing it. And 90% of opponents 2nd turn they are tapped out when they pass the turn. I always pull off the combo if I know the coast is clear.
Perhaps instead of insinuating that the 12th place finish at RPTQ Hareruya is a suboptimal kitchen table deck, you could have said something like
"Dear primer author, please note the GB Elves by Kiyonaga Shou - 12th place @ RPTQ Hareruya (4th December 2016) decklist is incorrectly labelled as GB when it is in fact Abzan, which can be seen from the mirror entity and abzan manabase with fetches and temple garden."
I haven't been going thru the decklists for a while, because i typically go to mtgtop8 for the absolute latest lists (meta is kinda fluid these days). I did not mean any malice when I told you to go there, it was a real suggestion and something i actually do myself. I come here primarily to bounce ideas and join the discussion.
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Mirror Entity as a main card in the GB beatdown?
Budget versions of Abzan not running or running 1 Horizon Canopy?
Deck lists by FNM players? One list is running 2 Melira, Sylvok Outcast.
Seriously, you are telling me this is the best there is?
Dont get me wrong, there is some good stuff, but its mixed with so much outdated and faulty information that its hard to read.
As far as decklists are concerned, if you're preoccupied with "the best there is", then please go to MTGtop8.com. The primer is supposed to cover more ground then simply throw the "best" lists at you. FNM lists may not be what you decide to bring to a 256 man tourney but it can sometimes provide new perspectives and insights into local metas and even help when someone played well in a meta similar to your own.
This is exactly right. I am one of the writers for the primer (much of the BG portion) and I can attest to the fact that our goal in writing the primer was "give as much of a wide range of ideas as possible, opening the mind up to different possibilities," not "provide the best and most relevant decklist for competitive players in large tournaments." Are we concerned about competitive players? Yes, of course. I am a competitive player myself. However, we are also concerned about new players who play in FNMs and creative players who want just that nudge towards an interesting idea.
I said there was good stuff, but even for FNM, there were kitchen table lists and obvious mistakes, such as mirror entity in the "primeier" black green list. It's a white card...
Me stating there are mistakes doesn't mean I "need" to go to mtgtop8, it means the primer is sloppy. Posting a home brew as the optimal list is wrong and doesn't seem to go on in every other major tier thread. It's good to talk about various cards, but a primer is to teach and discuss. Not post Jim Bobs 4 man FNM list with pet cards as the basic structure of the deck.
Thanks for pointing it out. I don't know how I didn't catch it at all, going through the decklists and primer several times. The list in question is clearly Abzan and not GB.
As far as the other lists go, there is no definitive best version of them to list them are the only right choice. Feel free to post your idea of a perfect non-budget version of any list and I'll add them. I gathered lists from mtgtop8 and similar sites to show them as an example, because so far I haven't seen a consensus for the best version in either colour combination. Syreal's GB list would probably be the most streamlined example of a list which I'll be adding as the GB primer.
"FNM" decklists are merely a representation of different lists that people participating in this thread have been playing. Again they are in no way meant to be definitive lists but rather examples or guidelines for someone starting out with Elves.
If you have any more suggestions to add or improve the primer, we're more than willing to listen.
On the topic of new toys for us, this recently spoiled enchantment from Ixalan looks like the right fit for us:
Shaper's Sanctuary
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Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card.
I felt like my SB was pretty tight. Eliminating Kitchen Finks (all immediate life gain) was a little worrisome but I did get better options (Rest in Peace and Colossus). I thought 1 was enough as I had very little trouble using a chord to find it but if you think you can cut down on one card, I wouldn't be opposed to adding a second. I personally would not because I like the sideboard as is and between 2 RiP, Colossus, Selfless Spirit, and Forge-Tender (bring in Ooze on the play) it felt like I was able to SB fairly cleanly.
That card can't be real... I hope it is but that seems absolutely insane for G.
Dose it replace Chord or Lead? Playing this with chord seems good, but playing it with Lead seems great as well. You could just be on the "draw a million card plan".
MD is the same as Juza's. Sideboard was a little different, opting for only 3 paths and one revoker, because let's face it why do you need two.
I also took out the mindcensor (not very high on that card at all) and added to the deck a Chameleon Colussus, Two Rest in Peaces and a third finks.
I bested Burn, Esper Shadow, Jund and UB Mill.
I boarded out the combo against Shadow and Jund. Having it in the deck felt great, and it's how I will be building GW going forward despite success with my previous GW iterations. Having another must kill card in the form of Devoted Druid is quite overwhelming for the opponent and really taxes removal and interaction.
That being said, I still take it out against grindier decks. Against Jund I sideboarded in 13 cards tonight, and there was an argument for a 14th!
MD is the same as Juza's. Sideboard was a little different, opting for only 3 paths and one revoker, because let's face it why do you need two.
I also took out the mindcensor (not very high on that card at all) and added to the deck a Chameleon Colussus, Two Rest in Peaces and a third finks.
I bested Burn, Esper Shadow, Jund and UB Mill.
I boarded out the combo against Shadow and Jund. Having it in the deck felt great, and it's how I will be building GW going forward despite success with my previous GW iterations. Having another must kill card in the form of Devoted Druid is quite overwhelming for the opponent and really taxes removal and interaction.
That being said, I still take it out against grindier decks. Against Jund I sideboarded in 13 cards tonight, and there was an argument for a 14th!
Im curious on this. what do you take out and side in if you can recall vs jund.
Sure! Decks like Jund are going to bring in cards such as Anger, Damnation and Golgari Charm, so I opt out some elves for some creatures such as kitchen finks and answers of my own such as Rest In Peace and Path to Exile. Cards like Olivia and Kalitas are must answer cards, unless of course you are going to overrun the next turn.
I also slow down my play a little and try to pick my spots wisely. For example, on my turn two I choose to play an Elvish Visionary and a Nettle Sentinel off a T1 Mystic, instead of jamming the Archdruid into an open fetchland that is representing Bolt/Push.
I board in:
2 Rest In Peace
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Path to Exile
2 Selfless Spirit
1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage (EE, Cage)
I board out:
4 Devoted Druid
4 Chord of Calling
1 Vizier of Remedies
1 Nettle
1 Elvish Mystic
1 Heritage Druid
1 Llanowar Elves.
There may be an argument for keeping in the combo to tax removal more in the postboard games, but I find the mini transformational package to be very effective vs GBx and Control, and the combo gets worse when you take out Chords.
That being said, I haven't been playing with the new combo very long, so I'll experiment with keeping it in!
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Attended a 7 Round IQ at my local game store with Elves. Wanted to share my list and my game results since I have in a while. Pretty standard and tight tight elf list.
I got 5th-8th. Lost to Merfolk... I always feel 60/40 against that match so the loss hurts.
Round 1: Naya Burn 2-0
Game 1: Had a fast hand and she played Burn.
Game 2: She accidentally locked herself out with Eidolon.
Round 2: 2-0
Sorry. I can not remember. Wow, Long day.
Might edit this later.
Round 3: Affinity 0-2
Game 1: We both had great hands but he had a well timed Dispatch mainboard for Ezuri.
Game 2: Mul'd to 5 on play. Kepts a great hand but whips and Aether enchantment prevented me from recovering.
Round 3: Bant Spirits. 2-1
Game 1:(W) Had an over the top hand, where I had lethal swing set up by turn 2 with Ezuri. He Dismember'd it. Top'd Shaman on turn 3 and won anyway.
Game 2:(L) I sideboarded for infect since all I saw was Breeding Pool, Noble, and Path..
Game 3:(W) Great game, I stayed ahead and played around Spell Queller.
Round 4: Grixis Death's Shadow 2-0
Game 1: He was super aggressive with fetches, Shocks and Thoughtseizes. Shaman of the Pack is always MVP
Game 2: We went back and forth for a little until I resolved a Chameleon Colossus. My EOT, he activated Tasigur, mil'd 2 and drew a card. Called a Judge. Ruling was I choose a card from his hand and he shuffles it back in. I picked Terminate but it didn't matter. Colossus was unblockable and hexproof to him.
Round 5: Burn 2-1
Game 1:(W) I won after he under valued my turn 2 play. (he didn't kill the first dork)
Game 2:(L) Mul'd to 6 But kept a hand with 1 Horizon Canopy. He swing goblin and gave me a land. I then drew for my turn and found Forge Tender for turn 1. However He burn'd be really good from there out.
Game 3:(W) He Mul'd to 5 and I kept a pretty fast hand. Manage to hold Chord for 1 till his EOT and he just couldn't recover.
Round 6: Blue Red Moon. 2-1 (never saw moon)
Game 1:(W) Had another lucky hand and at one point drew multiple Shamans in a row. List was preforming very well today.
Game 2:(L) Nearly killed him after he anger'd my board. He was at 3 and batterskull climbed him back up to above 20 when I lost.
Game 3:(W) Found through Anger and Snap Anger. Fecundity did work in the sence where he focused on bouncing it back to my hand and then roast/bolt my board away. He must of flooded but I did drew very well.
Round 7: Grixis Death's Shadow 0-0-3
Round 8: 1-2 Merfolk
Game 1:(L) He had a great hand and I had a decent hand. Spreading Seas gave him unblockable and he killed me.
Game 2:(W) He didn't play much interaction so I manage to set up face for a swing out of 25 damage.
Game 3:(L) We had a long game 3. We were last to finish. I gave away the game to not paying correctly. He swing for a lot and I blocked the two largest creatures and Chord'd for Ezuri to set up for lethal. I was focused on his Cursecatcher sacrifice ability and left a Cavern open instead of a forest to regen both elves with Ezuri. The math wasn't there anymore for a lethal swing and I was at 3 so the game stalled. I top'd a 7/7 Chameleon Colossus with island walk and maybe 15 mana to dump into it. But he had one more creature than me and got through for game.
Overall, I had a great time and got my money back. The entire top 8 was full of favored matches so it's really unfortunate to miss a larger pay out by a simple misplay.
I'm going on a 5 week trip from Australia visiting America and bringing my elf deck with me to play while im travelling. With the new combo out I thought I would try changing up my GB version to Abzan as I've always wanted to give the silver bullet deck a run!
I'm relatively new to the deck and I have a question. I run Lead the Stampede over Chord, and I've found Nettle Sentinel to be pretty bad when Heritage Druid is not also on the board.
Would I be better off using boreal Druid instead of Nettle Sentinel when using lead the Stampede over Chord? I know it won't be as explosive with good draws, but I imagine it will be a more consistent and provide more mana.
Thoughts?
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5 CC artifact.
Choose a creature type, that type gets +1/+1, when you play a creature of that type draw a card.
5 mana is expensive but a pseudo Glimpse of Nature and Lord effect?
Methinks this could be okay...play turn 3, turn 4 is bananas. Or as the kids call it, gas? Likely Most often a turn 4 play with the chance to "go off" the same turn.
Playing one of these after an Archdruid=out of pyroclasm range and drawing/playing cards until GG?
Once you've got this and Heritage/nettle/nettle, could potentially play every creature you draw, drawing a card right after?
Top decking with an empty hand seems to be the worst, and at that it's a lord effect.
It's not legendary, so there is a Christmas land where have two of these in play and draw 2 cards for every elf we cast?
Potential downside of if your t1 and/or t2 play eat removal, you never get the chance to cast this?
Thanks for the feedback! I suppose you're right. Strictly GW will be a tad more consistent as well. For the GW list do you think I should cut a path for a 2nd spirit or is 4 paths where we want to be?
Wish I could get an idea of how and against what decks Juza sided in paths. Specifically against the mirror, counters company, and affinity. How many do you think I should bring in and what do I take out?
Also have this conflict with boarding out Nettle or llanowar Elves against grindy decks like shadow or jund. I get they're both bad top decks, however Nettle hits harder and lets me play somewhat midrange if I have path in hand. An early llanowar Elves can get me closer to landing coco
GBRJund Elves
GWDevoted Elves
WDeath & Taxes
GWUBRHumans
EDH:
GTitania, Protector of Argoth
I just top 32'd the scg open with a variation of the Juza deck. After testing for a week before the open, I really liked the consistency of the deck and the couple of different angles to just "oops I win". I really liked the play against control and valakut decks. I also liked the ability to consistently cast white cards from the sideboard. The deck had more play against counters company and storm then abzan imo. I did miss shamans against death shadow decks but I was 4-1-1 against grixis shadow with GW (only loss was being greedy in game three instead of just getting Chameleon Colossus with chord). I think if you are walking into a large event, GW will serve you better.
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I would seriously consider Chameleon Colossus in any major event, that card single-handedly crushed multiple opponents. Grixis shadow as basically nothing against it except to chump with Snap or Izzet. I even brought it in against other Bx decks because they have a hard time against it. I did face a few Grafdigger's cage so I was happy with 2 rec sage.
Yes, Chameleon Colossus is the go to guy in any DS deck.. But in your experience is 1 in the side enough? I really like it against DS because the deck really making their life low to make DS big.. and sometime 1 swing with Colossus is enough. And because DS makes a majority of big tournament, I'm thinking to add another 1 in the side. What do you think?
The main problems I've been having with the other versions of the deck are:
1) Getting the infinite mana combo off, but not having anything to do with it
2) Sweepers and other strategic removal stopping the elf ball
Between these two scenarios, the deck has just been too inconsistent for me in the other forms. I've found the Staff to be good because it adds another infinite mana combo while also being an infinite mana win condition for druid/vizier, so it sorta kills two birds with one stone. Really, the deck doesn't need heritage druid or nettle sentinel to win, it just needs to untap with either a Devoted Druid or an Archdruid. But, that's hard to do without selfless / spellskite. Just my $0.02.
If your answer is "No," then your morality does not come from God's commandments.
If your answer is "Yes," then please, please reconsider.
I said there was good stuff, but even for FNM, there were kitchen table lists and obvious mistakes, such as mirror entity in the "primeier" black green list. It's a white card...
Me stating there are mistakes doesn't mean I "need" to go to mtgtop8, it means the primer is sloppy. Posting a home brew as the optimal list is wrong and doesn't seem to go on in every other major tier thread. It's good to talk about various cards, but a primer is to teach and discuss. Not post Jim Bobs 4 man FNM list with pet cards as the basic structure of the deck.
That is the reason I'm using Curio combo. You can go off 3rd turn without your opponent knowing it. And 90% of opponents 2nd turn they are tapped out when they pass the turn. I always pull off the combo if I know the coast is clear.
"Dear primer author, please note the GB Elves by Kiyonaga Shou - 12th place @ RPTQ Hareruya (4th December 2016) decklist is incorrectly labelled as GB when it is in fact Abzan, which can be seen from the mirror entity and abzan manabase with fetches and temple garden."
I haven't been going thru the decklists for a while, because i typically go to mtgtop8 for the absolute latest lists (meta is kinda fluid these days). I did not mean any malice when I told you to go there, it was a real suggestion and something i actually do myself. I come here primarily to bounce ideas and join the discussion.
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Thanks for pointing it out. I don't know how I didn't catch it at all, going through the decklists and primer several times. The list in question is clearly Abzan and not GB.
As far as the other lists go, there is no definitive best version of them to list them are the only right choice. Feel free to post your idea of a perfect non-budget version of any list and I'll add them. I gathered lists from mtgtop8 and similar sites to show them as an example, because so far I haven't seen a consensus for the best version in either colour combination. Syreal's GB list would probably be the most streamlined example of a list which I'll be adding as the GB primer.
"FNM" decklists are merely a representation of different lists that people participating in this thread have been playing. Again they are in no way meant to be definitive lists but rather examples or guidelines for someone starting out with Elves.
If you have any more suggestions to add or improve the primer, we're more than willing to listen.
On the topic of new toys for us, this recently spoiled enchantment from Ixalan looks like the right fit for us:
WBG Elves WBG
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EDH:
RG Omnath, Locus of Rage RG || GWUB Atraxa, Praetors' Voice GWUB
R Zo-Zu the Punisher R || WU Brago, King Eternal WU
UB Gisa and Geralf UB || BGW Ghave, Guru of Spores BGW
Dose it replace Chord or Lead? Playing this with chord seems good, but playing it with Lead seems great as well. You could just be on the "draw a million card plan".
MD is the same as Juza's. Sideboard was a little different, opting for only 3 paths and one revoker, because let's face it why do you need two.
I also took out the mindcensor (not very high on that card at all) and added to the deck a Chameleon Colussus, Two Rest in Peaces and a third finks.
I bested Burn, Esper Shadow, Jund and UB Mill.
I boarded out the combo against Shadow and Jund. Having it in the deck felt great, and it's how I will be building GW going forward despite success with my previous GW iterations. Having another must kill card in the form of Devoted Druid is quite overwhelming for the opponent and really taxes removal and interaction.
That being said, I still take it out against grindier decks. Against Jund I sideboarded in 13 cards tonight, and there was an argument for a 14th!
Im curious on this. what do you take out and side in if you can recall vs jund.
I also slow down my play a little and try to pick my spots wisely. For example, on my turn two I choose to play an Elvish Visionary and a Nettle Sentinel off a T1 Mystic, instead of jamming the Archdruid into an open fetchland that is representing Bolt/Push.
I board in:
2 Rest In Peace
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Path to Exile
2 Selfless Spirit
1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage (EE, Cage)
I board out:
4 Devoted Druid
4 Chord of Calling
1 Vizier of Remedies
1 Nettle
1 Elvish Mystic
1 Heritage Druid
1 Llanowar Elves.
There may be an argument for keeping in the combo to tax removal more in the postboard games, but I find the mini transformational package to be very effective vs GBx and Control, and the combo gets worse when you take out Chords.
That being said, I haven't been playing with the new combo very long, so I'll experiment with keeping it in!
Attended a 7 Round IQ at my local game store with Elves. Wanted to share my list and my game results since I have in a while. Pretty standard and tight tight elf list.
4x Llanowar Elves
4x Elvish Mystic
4x Nettle Sentinel
4x Heritage Druid
4x Elvish Visionary
4x Dwynen's Elite
4x Elvish Archdruid
4x Shaman of the Pack
2x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
4x Collected Company
4x Chord of Calling
Lands (18)
4x Gilt-leaf Palace
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Blooming Marsh
4x Forest
2x Horizon Canopy
2x Fracturing Gust
2x Reclamation Sage
1x Chameleon Colossus
1x Eidolon of Rhetoric
1x Fecundity
1x Spellskite
1x Kataki, War's Wage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Selfless Spirit
1x Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender
1x Dismember
I got 5th-8th. Lost to Merfolk... I always feel 60/40 against that match so the loss hurts.
Round 1: Naya Burn 2-0
Game 1: Had a fast hand and she played Burn.
Game 2: She accidentally locked herself out with Eidolon.
Round 2: 2-0
Sorry. I can not remember. Wow, Long day.
Might edit this later.
Round 3: Affinity 0-2
Game 1: We both had great hands but he had a well timed Dispatch mainboard for Ezuri.
Game 2: Mul'd to 5 on play. Kepts a great hand but whips and Aether enchantment prevented me from recovering.
Round 3: Bant Spirits. 2-1
Game 1:(W) Had an over the top hand, where I had lethal swing set up by turn 2 with Ezuri. He Dismember'd it. Top'd Shaman on turn 3 and won anyway.
Game 2:(L) I sideboarded for infect since all I saw was Breeding Pool, Noble, and Path..
Game 3:(W) Great game, I stayed ahead and played around Spell Queller.
Round 4: Grixis Death's Shadow 2-0
Game 1: He was super aggressive with fetches, Shocks and Thoughtseizes. Shaman of the Pack is always MVP
Game 2: We went back and forth for a little until I resolved a Chameleon Colossus. My EOT, he activated Tasigur, mil'd 2 and drew a card. Called a Judge. Ruling was I choose a card from his hand and he shuffles it back in. I picked Terminate but it didn't matter. Colossus was unblockable and hexproof to him.
Round 5: Burn 2-1
Game 1:(W) I won after he under valued my turn 2 play. (he didn't kill the first dork)
Game 2:(L) Mul'd to 6 But kept a hand with 1 Horizon Canopy. He swing goblin and gave me a land. I then drew for my turn and found Forge Tender for turn 1. However He burn'd be really good from there out.
Game 3:(W) He Mul'd to 5 and I kept a pretty fast hand. Manage to hold Chord for 1 till his EOT and he just couldn't recover.
Round 6: Blue Red Moon. 2-1 (never saw moon)
Game 1:(W) Had another lucky hand and at one point drew multiple Shamans in a row. List was preforming very well today.
Game 2:(L) Nearly killed him after he anger'd my board. He was at 3 and batterskull climbed him back up to above 20 when I lost.
Game 3:(W) Found through Anger and Snap Anger. Fecundity did work in the sence where he focused on bouncing it back to my hand and then roast/bolt my board away. He must of flooded but I did drew very well.
Round 7: Grixis Death's Shadow 0-0-3
Round 8: 1-2 Merfolk
Game 1:(L) He had a great hand and I had a decent hand. Spreading Seas gave him unblockable and he killed me.
Game 2:(W) He didn't play much interaction so I manage to set up face for a swing out of 25 damage.
Game 3:(L) We had a long game 3. We were last to finish. I gave away the game to not paying correctly. He swing for a lot and I blocked the two largest creatures and Chord'd for Ezuri to set up for lethal. I was focused on his Cursecatcher sacrifice ability and left a Cavern open instead of a forest to regen both elves with Ezuri. The math wasn't there anymore for a lethal swing and I was at 3 so the game stalled. I top'd a 7/7 Chameleon Colossus with island walk and maybe 15 mana to dump into it. But he had one more creature than me and got through for game.
Overall, I had a great time and got my money back. The entire top 8 was full of favored matches so it's really unfortunate to miss a larger pay out by a simple misplay.
I'm going on a 5 week trip from Australia visiting America and bringing my elf deck with me to play while im travelling. With the new combo out I thought I would try changing up my GB version to Abzan as I've always wanted to give the silver bullet deck a run!
Would love to hear your opinions on it thanks!
Creatures (32)
4x elvish mystic
4x heritage druid
4x llanowar elves
4x dwynen's elite
4x elvish archdruid
2x ezuri, renegade leader
2x shaman of the pack
1x walking ballista
4x devoted druid
1x vizier of remedies
2x duskwatch recruiter
4x collected company
3x chord of calling
1x lead the stampede
Artifacts (2)
2 throne of the god-pharaoh
Land (19)
4 gilt-leaf palace
2 overgrown tomb
2 blooming marsh
4 cavern of souls
1 westvale abbey
2 razorverge thicket
2 temple garden
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Elvish Champion
2x Spellskite
2x essence warden
2x reclamation sage
1x selfless spirit
2x fracturing gust
1x Athreos, God of Passage
1x Kataki, War's Wage
1x scavenging ooze
Would I be better off using boreal Druid instead of Nettle Sentinel when using lead the Stampede over Chord? I know it won't be as explosive with good draws, but I imagine it will be a more consistent and provide more mana.
Thoughts?