I don't think this card moves the needle for Taxes all that much. Almost none of the creatures commonly employed by Taxes were Bolt-proof to begin with, and the cards that Fatal Push will likely substitute kill Taxes creatures pretty much the same way. It's just business as usual around here, with the possible exception being that matchups like Dimir, Esper, and Sultai may be more common (and less of a walkover).
couldn't agree more. i dont think the sky is falling, it's just a little stormy outside. this is a tough deck, with plenty of interaction. i don't think we need to be shaking in our boots, like infect and zooicide
From my testing, the main thing that has hurt is now they have a 1 mana answer to Thought-Knot Seer. With that being one of our best cards, it hurts that they can kill it so efficiently without running white and giving us a land.
It's been a while since I've played modern and I'm going into a tournament a day after Revolt releases. I'm kind of torn on what to play. My best technical plays have been with DnT but I also do okay on Zoo. With the new cards coming I'm not sure what to be on. I have feeling infect, tron and Abzan/JUND will be the most prevalent along with burn. I'm curious about why some decks are moving from Arbiters. @deathandcatmix I know your list doesn't have them currently.
This is my latest red white deck. Went 4-1 in mtgo leagues with it twice now. The two swords in the main deck could be something else, I was playing Hanweir Garrison because I also had the matching haste land, but I've taken those out for an extra plains and a gemstone cavern. If I had arid mesa I'd take 2 foundries out along with some plains and probably put the haste lands back in. Phyrexian revoker has left the deck for selfless spirit since I only have so much space.
Sideboard cards are pretty anti creature right now, there may be some better stuff to put in there.
@herotime multiply the creature count. Cards that can't be pointed at efficiently will be a huge piece.
Lingering souls
Blade splicer
Kitchen Finks
Wall of resurgence
Brimaz
Cards like this will go a long way in the good fight.
Everyone- I've decided not to do a set review in the forum this time around. I think the dialogue here has been very focused over the last week and I do not want to dilute it. If you want to see a pretty intense review of it with spider, charon, jendo and myself, check it out on my YouTube channel. The review of cards and the topic of ban/unbans are discussed pretty deeply.
Hello all,
Ive been wanting to get back into mtg and love the look of DnT, however I cant confidently drop 160 on Aether vials if im gonna just walk away from magic again. So is there a viable list that doesnt use them? I know getting the free mana and instant speed play is great but its worth a shot asking around.
Every list plays them, but you can get away without them in your deck. Play mono white and swap them for 4 Judges Familiar, and make sure you play 4 Restoration Angel. Deck still functions but you lose out on the best opening hands where you would have a vial.
@dyerjg hatebears is a list that normally plays like DNT without vials. Not sure what you already have that makes it cheaper for you.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a decent amount of options in modern that are cheaper though. Investing in vials also has minimal downside. If you do leave, you can sell them back pretty easily.
Just went to my first FNM with EnT. This community's been a great help, and shoutout to Deathandcatmix's great streams that helped me learn the deck while I slowly built it.
Game 1: 2-0 vs Affinity
Guy punted all over the place game one and made what seemed like an unwinnable game into a win. Revoker does work here and I was eventually able to regain board control with Paths and Stranglers.
Boarded in 2x Stony, 1x Zealous, 1x Pontiff, 1x Revoker, 2x Ghostly Prison. Boarded out 4x Aether Vial and 3x Arbiter, if I remember correctly.
Game two I stole away his Cranial Plating with Sculler and took over the board with Displacer. Wasn't nearly as hard.
Game 2: 2-0 vs Lantern
Thalia is great. Guy mulled to five and then couldn't find the mana to cast bridge thanks to the tax. Got the beats in nice and quickly.
Boarded in 2x Stony, 1x Revoker, 1x Leyline. Boarded out 4x Path.
Game 2 was actually the exact same deal as game 1, with Thalia keeping him off a lot. Also took most of his hand away with Scullers and Blew up lands with Arbiter and GQ to make casting Bridge even harder. Made for a quick game.
Game 3: 1-1-1 vs Grixis Control.
First game he was able to kill every threat I played, and I kept ripping lands, so I just sat there getting my face beat in by snapcaster and (eventually) Dark-Dwellers.
Boarded in 2x RIP, 2x Firewalker, and 1x Gideon. Boarded out 1x Revoker and 3x Strangler. Not sure if thsi boarding was right, but I felt like the RIP neutered his Tasigur, Snaps, Dwellers, and partially his commands, so it felt okay.
Game 2 was quicker, able to beat him in with 2x displacers that he couldn't remove. Pretty quick.
Game 3 I resolved a RIP, and it went too long for anyone to win. He was ahead but it could have been anyone's game. I'd give more detail but you can imagine how it went. I played a threat, he killed it. Wash, rinse, repeat. I was able to get him to 7, and I blew up a lot of his mana once he ran out of basics from paths.
Game 4: 2-0 vs 8-rack.
Not much to say. Beat him in quickly. Nothing special happened. Played creatures on curve and turned them sideways.
Boarded in 1x Leyline, 2x Firewalker (For more creatures, no point in keeping paths), and 1x Gideon. Boarded out 4x Path.
Game 2 had leyline in opening. I won, because what was he supposed to do?
Reflections: I know I went 3, but I felt like a punted way more times than I should have. I need a lot more practice before I'm making optimal plays here, but I suppose it's that way with all beginners. Anyways, Thalia was incredible, and I want to go up to four. Same with Revoker, though I' not sure if there's anything I'd want to cut for more of them. Tec edge is good, but I had problems with getting the right colors a few times, so I might make that a godless shrine.
Any advice on the decklist?
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Today I had a really strange and good performance with monowhite E'n'T. Vial didn't show up in 5 rounds. It's weird, but my single loss were to bogles that if Vial did show up, game would be mine. But Suppression Field hurts really hard, I should tell
@untapupkeepdraw glad that I was able to help you out. Also glad to see that spicy revoker Rep! Not much to offer on advice as it seems you are playing ent the way it's expected (and running flex slots). Congrats and we'll see what is next - next week!
Hey all. I have been playing D&T since modern started and I love it but I haven't been able to play in just over a month. I just went to a local event and felt some cards under preformed so i was hoping that maybe having some other people look at the deck might give me some more insight in to it.
The cards I felt didn't pull their weight as much as they used to are
Serra Avenger
and Restoration Angel
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Are we going to keep running TKS if Fatal Push is good? Like @DysposableHero said, it seems really painful to get that removed for one mana, especially in the non-EnT variants.
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Wizards announced that the ban/restricted list will be announced today.
Not sure what to expect but if sfm is not unbanned, I will finally rest that subject completely. It'll be another blow to "fair decks" but at this point it's time to realize who's in charge.
Sigh...Stoneforge seemed OK as everyone and their mom runs Kologhan's Command (Jund, Grixis Control, any deck that has those colors) that's constantly 2 for 1-ing fair decks all around. If anything the existence of Kologhan's Command is the perfect argument for Stoneforge's unbanning. We'll keep up the good fight in the meantime.
Well, all the bans make sense: Dredge needed to be taken down a peg and Gitaxian Probe only fueled unfair decks. I think they missed some targets (Become Immense comes to mind), but Fatal Push should help against linear aggro decks.
From my testing, the main thing that has hurt is now they have a 1 mana answer to Thought-Knot Seer. With that being one of our best cards, it hurts that they can kill it so efficiently without running white and giving us a land.
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Sideboard cards are pretty anti creature right now, there may be some better stuff to put in there.
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Inspiring Vantage
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Mountain
5 Plains
1 Gemstone Caverns
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
2 Sword of War and Peace
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Flickerwisp
4 Blade Splicer
3 Magus of the Moon
3 Restoration Angel
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 Wear/Tear
2 Stun Sniper
2 Stony Silence
3 Rest in Peace
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Pithing Needle
2 Flame Slash
1 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
Lingering souls
Blade splicer
Kitchen Finks
Wall of resurgence
Brimaz
Cards like this will go a long way in the good fight.
Everyone- I've decided not to do a set review in the forum this time around. I think the dialogue here has been very focused over the last week and I do not want to dilute it. If you want to see a pretty intense review of it with spider, charon, jendo and myself, check it out on my YouTube channel. The review of cards and the topic of ban/unbans are discussed pretty deeply.
Much love,
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Ive been wanting to get back into mtg and love the look of DnT, however I cant confidently drop 160 on Aether vials if im gonna just walk away from magic again. So is there a viable list that doesnt use them? I know getting the free mana and instant speed play is great but its worth a shot asking around.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a decent amount of options in modern that are cheaper though. Investing in vials also has minimal downside. If you do leave, you can sell them back pretty easily.
Good luck
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Dudes... look at those spectral flights (and a maindeck revoker).
All I want is to see opponent face when spectral flight comes down lol. Thank you whoever you are that put this list together.
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Flying 4/4 Geist. Mmm, mm, mmmm that's spicey.
Here's what I ran:
4 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
4 Leonin Arbiter
1 Spellskite
4 Thought-Knot Seer
3 Wasteland Strangler
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Selfless Spirit
4 Aether Vial
Instants:
4 Path to Exile
Lands:
2 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Godless Shrine
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Concealed Courtyard
1 Shambling Vent
2 Kor Firewalker
1 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Ghostly Prison
Went 3-0-1.
Game 1: 2-0 vs Affinity
Guy punted all over the place game one and made what seemed like an unwinnable game into a win. Revoker does work here and I was eventually able to regain board control with Paths and Stranglers.
Boarded in 2x Stony, 1x Zealous, 1x Pontiff, 1x Revoker, 2x Ghostly Prison. Boarded out 4x Aether Vial and 3x Arbiter, if I remember correctly.
Game two I stole away his Cranial Plating with Sculler and took over the board with Displacer. Wasn't nearly as hard.
Game 2: 2-0 vs Lantern
Thalia is great. Guy mulled to five and then couldn't find the mana to cast bridge thanks to the tax. Got the beats in nice and quickly.
Boarded in 2x Stony, 1x Revoker, 1x Leyline. Boarded out 4x Path.
Game 2 was actually the exact same deal as game 1, with Thalia keeping him off a lot. Also took most of his hand away with Scullers and Blew up lands with Arbiter and GQ to make casting Bridge even harder. Made for a quick game.
Game 3: 1-1-1 vs Grixis Control.
First game he was able to kill every threat I played, and I kept ripping lands, so I just sat there getting my face beat in by snapcaster and (eventually) Dark-Dwellers.
Boarded in 2x RIP, 2x Firewalker, and 1x Gideon. Boarded out 1x Revoker and 3x Strangler. Not sure if thsi boarding was right, but I felt like the RIP neutered his Tasigur, Snaps, Dwellers, and partially his commands, so it felt okay.
Game 2 was quicker, able to beat him in with 2x displacers that he couldn't remove. Pretty quick.
Game 3 I resolved a RIP, and it went too long for anyone to win. He was ahead but it could have been anyone's game. I'd give more detail but you can imagine how it went. I played a threat, he killed it. Wash, rinse, repeat. I was able to get him to 7, and I blew up a lot of his mana once he ran out of basics from paths.
Game 4: 2-0 vs 8-rack.
Not much to say. Beat him in quickly. Nothing special happened. Played creatures on curve and turned them sideways.
Boarded in 1x Leyline, 2x Firewalker (For more creatures, no point in keeping paths), and 1x Gideon. Boarded out 4x Path.
Game 2 had leyline in opening. I won, because what was he supposed to do?
Reflections: I know I went 3, but I felt like a punted way more times than I should have. I need a lot more practice before I'm making optimal plays here, but I suppose it's that way with all beginners. Anyways, Thalia was incredible, and I want to go up to four. Same with Revoker, though I' not sure if there's anything I'd want to cut for more of them. Tec edge is good, but I had problems with getting the right colors a few times, so I might make that a godless shrine.
Any advice on the decklist?
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I'm getting ready to stream that list and will be going up to do so shortly so tune in if you're interested.
4 tectonic edge
4 ghost quarter
2 sea gate wreckage
2 horizon canopy
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Eiganjo Castle
9 Plains
8 non creature spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Selfless Spirit
2 Spellskite
1 Phyrexian Revoker
3 blade splicer
3 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Fiend Hunter
4 Flickerwisp
3 Restoration Angel
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
2 Ghostly Prison
1 Worship
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Sundering Growth
2 Plains
1 Forest
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Temple Garden
2 Brushland
3 Horizon Canopy
4 Ghost Quarter
2 stirring wildwood
2 Gavony Township
1 tectonic edge
1 gemstone caverns
10 noncreature spells
4 Path to Exile
4 Aether Vial
2 Collected Company
28 creatures
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Spellskite
1 Selfless Spirit
4 Flickerwisp
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Restoration Angel
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Ghostly Prison
1 Worship
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Concealed Courtyard
2 Godless Shrine
1 Shambling Vent
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Vault of the Archangel
2 Plains
1 Gemstone Caverns
8 Noncreature Spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Flickerwisp
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Spellskite
2 Selfless Spirit
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Rest in Peace
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Sin Collector
2 Orzhov Pontiff
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Worship
3 Brushland
3 Eldrazi Temple
1 Forest
2 Gavony Township
1 Gemstone Caverns
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Plains
3 Razorverge Thicket
2 Stirring Wildwood
1 Temple Garden
10 noncreature spells
4 Aether Vial
2 Ancient Stirrings
4 Path to exile
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Leonin Arbiter
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
1 Spellskite
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
1 Eternal Witness
4 Thought-knot seer
2 Reality Smasher
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Worship
1 Spellskite
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Hallowed Fountain
4 Seachrome Coast
1 Eiganjo Castle
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Moorland Haunt
2 Mutavault
1 Island
2 Plains
2 Horizon Canopy
1 adarkar wastes
1 flooded strand
9 noncreature spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
1 detention sphere
28 creatures
3 Spell Queller
3 Selfless Spirit
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 eldrazi displacer
3 Reflector Mage
4 Flickerwisp
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 leonin arbiter
2 Venser, Shaper Savant
2 spellskite
2 Rest in Peace
2 stony silence
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 ghostly prison
2 burrenton forge-tender
2 Surgical Extraction
1 kira, great glass-spinner
1 blessed alliance
@spiderspace got the popcorn ready.
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The cards I felt didn't pull their weight as much as they used to are
Serra Avenger
and Restoration Angel
P.s Long time reader of the forum. First time poster
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Not sure what to expect but if sfm is not unbanned, I will finally rest that subject completely. It'll be another blow to "fair decks" but at this point it's time to realize who's in charge.
Spin the hole wheel one last time...
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Another sad day...
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WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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