I think that the conflict with Chalice of the Void and our 1-mana spells is close to negligible. My testing is still ongoing, but I've sided in the Chalice in roughly 2/3 of my matchups, and I haven't had a single instance of conflict yet (knock on wood).
I'm thinking of going 2x chalice main (with more in the side) instead of 2x spell pierce. Because as you say, it gets sided in a lot. It has some degree of use against Tron, Affinity, Burn, Infect, Zoo, Living End, Bogles, Elves, Ad Nauseam and for december that was pretty much the entire metagame. Even against Abzan or Jund, it can be decent. Scapeshift is the only high-tiered deck where I would absolutely prefer spell pierce.
If you do that, you might want to consider Echoing Truth over Vapor Snag. Not a mandatory change, of course, but it meshes well with the "minimize CMC1 cards" ethos that Chalice of the Void will typically impose.
Does everybody feel Grixis Control is 50:50 against us?
I can't remember the last I lost a game, let alone a match against that.
We have all the tools to beat them.
My opponents were not tier1 maybe
i actually would like some advice on this matchup. i find it to be way more difficult than it was in the past. K Command is brutal and Keranos is usually a KO.
what's the strat for this match?
it may get easier now that we don't have to worry about a splinter twin out of nowhere. part of my problem may be seeing the colors and trying to play around a combo until i realize what i'm playing against
I presume you have 2 Kira, 4 Waves, some Caverns and Snags in your main. Master will always kill them, they have very few solutions to it and when they find one (or more when Kira says NO!), Snag it and redeploy.
After sideboard you expect expensive stuff like Anger and Keranos, this is dealt by Pierce and Negate while your Relics destroy their card advantage game (Tasigur/Angler, Lavamancer and Snapcaster).
I have GP Bologna in March and if I could choose 15 rounds against only one deck, Grixis Control would be it.
Karma might grant me my wish and I get crushed by it at GP, but this is how I feel.
They are durdling, applying no pressure and dying to Master every time.
Maybe we can do a short get together among Merfolk peers?
Of course. I always approach and talk to all strangers who play Merfolk, it is in our nature to swim with our kind.
Plus there is a motive to not be the worst Merfolk player there, so we should have better result in general.
In another matter. I don't know how to feel about Chalice of the Void in Modern. In Legacy it's amazing, but in Modern I don't feel so strong about it. Yes it's very good against certain decks, but I feel that it needs to be in opening hand or else it's quite useless, especially against Affinity. Another problem is there's going to be very much artifact-hate around. I guess you can compare it to Aether Vial, you don't want to draw that after turn 4. Also it's nonbo with Spell Pierces and if you play Swans Songs and Vapor Snags. Your job is now to sell me that card.
You're right in that it's typically an "early game or bust" sort of card, but that's not always the case. It combines very well with Hurkyl's Recall (forcing a hard reset and depriving your opponent of either Memnite, Mox Opal, and Ornithopter with an x=0 Chalice virtually ends the game on the spot), and any time you can stop Infect's pump shenanigans qualifies as a good time to do it. And as you said, Æther Vial has similar characteristics, but is potent enough to still be worth your while.
As for the incompatibility with our spells... the first thing to point out is that I recently reported on this in a short trial, and I haven't observed a single instance of conflict (I think this concern is overblown). Secondly, Chalice of the Void largely displaces Swan Song, particularly if you already have Negate in the sideboard (so that's one less card to worry about). In terms of making room for it, I'll point out that it makes Spellskite less appealing, since they overlap a lot in terms of what decks they're good against (now that Twin is gone) and Chalice tends to be the bigger haymaker. As such, you could introduce it to your sideboard almost effortlessly.
I'd also like to take a moment to acknowledge those among us going to GP Bologna. Good luck, my fellow water-breathers. Go make us proud.
Chalice of the Void in the main looks particularly potent in your meta. I would go all in on 8 seas or not at all and stick with 4. If you don't go the full 8 seas route, try finding a way to fit in Dismember. Other than that, I think your list looks fine.
Not really a modern or constructed player but I like fish, and was thinking of trading into it.
/salute to the primer writer, and commenters. I am about 45 comment pages behind.
Kind of like 8 seas since all I hear is TRONTRONTRON. Plus, islands are great everyone should have one.
So I was just walking home from work and doing some thinking.
And then after checking my facts, I was right.
We have an incredibly powerful tool against Tron and Eldrazi this format thanks to Harbinger of the Tides. Unless they find a way to tap the Spellskite protecting their large creatures, we can bounce them with Harbinger, as Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target. Just thought I'd throw that one in there.
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So last week my merfolk understudy and I both beat bogles with 8 seas, I was astounded. Turns out that no white mana is bad for that deck
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-Nicol Bolas
So last week my merfolk understudy and I both beat bogles with 8 seas, I was astounded. Turns out that no white mana is bad for that deck
yes, they are very light on land to begin with. if you can cut off their white sources you can stave of the worst of their enchantments, namely the Daybreak Coronets
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Totally agree that Sea effects ruin bogles day - if you are playing without chalice and on the play a spreading seas/seas claim is your best card and can win you the game due to their super greedy low land count..
I think that the conflict with Chalice of the Void and our 1-mana spells is close to negligible. My testing is still ongoing, but I've sided in the Chalice in roughly 2/3 of my matchups, and I haven't had a single instance of conflict yet (knock on wood).
2/3 of matchups seems like a lot of matchups. Are you siding it in when you see bolts/paths? I'm wondering how effective it is against less fringe decks..I am considering running it now as im thinking infect might be a big part of the meta as well as delver being something - along with all the fringe decks - bogles, living end etc
Hey guys, if I'm going to a large event and expecting a lot of tron, would 5 pieces of land hate be too much? i.e. 1 GQ main and 4 tec edge SB? Given the eldrazi and tron predominance is that just too much hate? I'm running 19 lands and the GQ would be 20 for me...thoughts?
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Derevi Stax
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Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
I presume you have 2 Kira, 4 Waves, some Caverns and Snags in your main. Master will always kill them, they have very few solutions to it and when they find one (or more when Kira says NO!), Snag it and redeploy.
After sideboard you expect expensive stuff like Anger and Keranos, this is dealt by Pierce and Negate while your Relics destroy their card advantage game (Tasigur/Angler, Lavamancer and Snapcaster).
I have GP Bologna in March and if I could choose 15 rounds against only one deck, Grixis Control would be it.
Karma might grant me my wish and I get crushed by it at GP, but this is how I feel.
They are durdling, applying no pressure and dying to Master every time.
Evil Beware!....We have waffles.
"In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks." Calvin & Hobbes Quotes
Calvin : You can't just turn on creativity like a faucet. You have to be in the right mood.
Hobbes : What mood is that?
Calvin : Last-minute panic.
Decks I'm playing:
Modern: U Merfolk
Standard: I dislike Standard ATM
with a dealer here in my city, lost in the middle of a thousand other foils lol 2 dollar each only =)
Plus there is a motive to not be the worst Merfolk player there, so we should have better result in general.
You're right in that it's typically an "early game or bust" sort of card, but that's not always the case. It combines very well with Hurkyl's Recall (forcing a hard reset and depriving your opponent of either Memnite, Mox Opal, and Ornithopter with an x=0 Chalice virtually ends the game on the spot), and any time you can stop Infect's pump shenanigans qualifies as a good time to do it. And as you said, Æther Vial has similar characteristics, but is potent enough to still be worth your while.
As for the incompatibility with our spells... the first thing to point out is that I recently reported on this in a short trial, and I haven't observed a single instance of conflict (I think this concern is overblown). Secondly, Chalice of the Void largely displaces Swan Song, particularly if you already have Negate in the sideboard (so that's one less card to worry about). In terms of making room for it, I'll point out that it makes Spellskite less appealing, since they overlap a lot in terms of what decks they're good against (now that Twin is gone) and Chalice tends to be the bigger haymaker. As such, you could introduce it to your sideboard almost effortlessly.
I'd also like to take a moment to acknowledge those among us going to GP Bologna. Good luck, my fellow water-breathers. Go make us proud.
Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
So jelly.
Evil Beware!....We have waffles.
"In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks." Calvin & Hobbes Quotes
Calvin : You can't just turn on creativity like a faucet. You have to be in the right mood.
Hobbes : What mood is that?
Calvin : Last-minute panic.
Decks I'm playing:
Modern: U Merfolk
Standard: I dislike Standard ATM
/salute to the primer writer, and commenters. I am about 45 comment pages behind.
Kind of like 8 seas since all I hear is TRONTRONTRON. Plus, islands are great everyone should have one.
And then after checking my facts, I was right.
We have an incredibly powerful tool against Tron and Eldrazi this format thanks to Harbinger of the Tides. Unless they find a way to tap the Spellskite protecting their large creatures, we can bounce them with Harbinger, as Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target. Just thought I'd throw that one in there.
U Merfolk U
Legacy
U Fish U
"I Want To Believe"
Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
yes, they are very light on land to begin with. if you can cut off their white sources you can stave of the worst of their enchantments, namely the Daybreak Coronets
U Merfolk U
WUBRGPeopleGRBUW
U Turbo Turns U
UB Fae BU
WBG Aristocrats GBW
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
2/3 of matchups seems like a lot of matchups. Are you siding it in when you see bolts/paths? I'm wondering how effective it is against less fringe decks..I am considering running it now as im thinking infect might be a big part of the meta as well as delver being something - along with all the fringe decks - bogles, living end etc
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Mono-U Control
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Modern: Fish, JUND/Junk
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