MTG Salvation

3 Temple Garden
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Godless Shrine
2 Razorvorge Thicket
2 Forest
1 Plains
3 Gavony Township

Wooded Foothills is fine seems more comparative to Verdant Catacomb than Marshflat, the downside is you can't get Shrine, but there is only one of those anyway. You don't need much black unless running a heavier black list, heavier might be even just 1 more card than the usual Pontiff, Viscera Seer, Redcap. If you are scared drop a township, but it's like the best card in the deck. I only use 1 Marshflat and have zero catacombs and I never have problems.

@hammer0S lets say i am playing against burn, isnt it best to be able to fetch for a basic forest 1º turn followed by dork, but i may try it if i have the chance, thanks!

@magicxaves Thanks!

Yea this is a green deck. Don't play delta. 8 green fetches and the 5 shocks is still fine. But not being able to fetch basic swamp is a big deal.

Go with the above suggestions and see what works best. But this is budget discussion so let's put it aside now.

I recently realized I have the bulk of the expensive part of this deck so I've been practicing it a bit and will probably buy the rest soon. How is this for a first list? There's no Eldrazi hate in here as I don't expect to finish building the deck within the next three weeks



Also I was wondering; what cards do you tend to cut in the mirror? I assume I'd want to bring in Linvala and Path to Exiles but apart from Qasali Pridemage all my mainboard cards seem good.

Linvala is one of the biggest Trump for the mirror. You want your own Linvala plus ways to deal with your opponent's Linvala.

Pontiff kills dorks. It's great in the mirror.

Voices tend to be poor. They don't help you combo nor do they help you maintain momentum like Witness does. Cut both of those. Spellskite is okay, since you have two you could stand to cut one. I personally think you want 1 available to tutor up so you can protect your combo/Linala. Pridemage is bad in the mirror. Even though Witness is not terrible, you can trim one if you still need to cut.

Thanks guys, I've kept Voice in until now to make Chording and CoCoing on my turn awkward and because the token tends to become massive in the mirror. But I guess if the plan in the mirror is to get to the combo asap, it isn't that useful.

What's the consensus on Sin Collector vs Tidehollow Sculler in the board? Run a split or just Scullers?

I played a couple Tidehollows for awhile and ended up taking them out for Thoughtseize and Sin Collector. Being able to just get rid of the card no strings attached is very nice.

Get Viscera Seer on the table ASAP, that way he can't Living End at all.

G1 it has already been said: visera seer. living end is worded in weirdly, but essentially you want to be able to get your creatures into the graveyard BEFORE living end resolves. Having a sac outlet on the field slows the opponent down until they have a fairy macabre to exile your creatures before they go off. Also if u main board it, a scavaging ooze works wonders early in the match. Eating his creatures before he combos.

G2 and 3 you want to bring in eidolon of rhetoric (this is one of the special match ups as to why he is in the 75), ooze if he is not main, and any self-sac creatures like BFT or dauntless escort. In the second match your opponent is probably bring in leyline of void and cast some of his creatures. Our goal is still to combo if we can or get an answer out, but don't shy away from swinging even with the 1/1s unless u need to chord.

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G1 it has already been said: visera seer. living end is worded in weirdly, but essentially you want to be able to get your creatures into the graveyard BEFORE living end resolves. Having a sac outlet on the field slows the opponent down until they have a fairy macabre to exile your creatures before they go off. Also if u main board it, a scavaging ooze works wonders early in the match. Eating his creatures before he combos.

G2 and 3 you want to bring in eidolon of rhetoric (this is one of the special match ups as to why he is in the 75), ooze if he is not main, and any self-sac creatures like BFT or dauntless escort. In the second match your opponent is probably bring in leyline of void and cast some of his creatures. Our goal is still to combo if we can or get an answer out, but don't shy away from swinging even with the 1/1s unless u need to chord.

Wow, I always wondered why eidolon of rhetoric was played. Now it makes perfect sense!!

The cascade spells from the Living End deck are a may abillity, so they can put the Living End on the stack and decide not to resolve it if you get too greedy with the Viscera Seer sacs. So if you have a very full board then leaving a few creatures on the field is possibly the best play, depending how full your opponents gy is and if he needs to resolve the LE, you be the judge here.

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The cascade spells from the Living End deck are a may abillity, so they can put the Living End on the stack and decide not to resolve it if you get too greedy with the Viscera Seer sacs. So if you have a very full board then leaving a few creatures on the field is possibly the best play, depending how full your opponents gy is and if he needs to resolve the LE, you be the judge here.

You don't have to sac creatures until he actually casts LE. ONce they do, the sorcery goes in the stack like every other spell. Only THEN do you start scrying with Seer.

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The cascade spells from the Living End deck are a may abillity, so they can put the Living End on the stack and decide not to resolve it if you get too greedy with the Viscera Seer sacs. So if you have a very full board then leaving a few creatures on the field is possibly the best play, depending how full your opponents gy is and if he needs to resolve the LE, you be the judge here.

As previously mentioned, when he put living end on the stack, he cannot choose to not cast it, it's already on the stack.
Just wait to sac creatures until he actually decided that he wants to cast it or not from the cascade trigger..

Akk you are correct, I was deceived by a LE player who put it on the stack and then decided not to cast it on cockatrice, I found it odd at the time and argued but was too tired to analyze it properly, now re reading the cascade abillity he exiles the card and then he may cast it, my bad.

I am running pretty standard deck. The only real flex slots I am running am two voice of resurgence. I like them for the control match-up but since a lot of people at my LGS are running Kalitas and Scooze main or 2-3 scooze sideboard I am having some difficulty with the main combo. I'm considering replacing the voices with a one of spike feeder and archangel of thune. Since in the current meta it seems that the combo should be the focus and I'm thinking if the main combo becomes unusable, the backup combo may come through. Any thoughts?

If you're up against a lot of grindy midrange than Archangel is just good in general and having a backup combo seems great.

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What do you guys think about the new Anguished Unmaking?

Anguished Unmaking
1WB
Instant
Exile target nonland permanent. You lose 3 life.

I think its an autoinclude as a one off in our sideboard.

I am inclined to disagree. It's not creature so it now is competiting with the few spell slots we have available. And path is just as effective and cheaper. We also have a MB pridemage we can chord for to nab any enchants and artifacts. The only thing this reaches that we don't already is planeswalkers.

I, personally, run a phyrexian revoker to needle against troublesome planeswalkers or ability creatures. Also, abrupt decay still works against the same things, but in a restricted field of cmc.

So there are plenty of other lines we can and most do run, this is not autoinclude.

I'm not a fan. What does it hit that we don't already have answers for? The only thing I can think of is Liliana, and that's way too narrow of a use for it.

Went against BR 8-rack today, it was pretty bad. I did 0-2 on that match, my only loss of the night. They seem pretty good against us since we just dump so much of our hand consisting on dorks and lands on the field, then they can just strip our payoff cards like Company and Chord. How is this matchup for us? Was it just luck of the draw? How do you usually sideboard for it? How do you usually play it out? This is such a fringe deck I wasn't really prepared to play against it, but it seems like a common deck in my meta at least.