I'm deciding on a few things for my side right now. The first is between a second Spellskite and a dispel (1 is in the side). Other cuttable cards that I'm iffy on include 1 Dank Dwellers, the 3rd Crumble, and Grafdigger's Cage (I'm honestly not sure how much Coco to expect)
Not having access to Fulminators is another reason for me to run Downfall over Dreadbore. Getting access to another card that can answer them is pretty nice.
Honestly Kujo, I think the only frame Thopter Sword works in is Esper Tezzerator. I've got a build I think is Tier 1.5-2. It has the same weak spots that all such decks have, but at least you can -4 Tezz to get Ironworks and go infinite.
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Some people like to win MtG matches in the Red Zone. I prefer to win the way God intended: on the stack.
The random 1 of Jorubai Murk Lurker I tossed into the MD has been ok at saving me from losing. a 2/4 (with swamp in play obv) did a decent job of preventing some damage and gaining some life back. If only he costed 1U...
Commander GUR Maelstrom Wanderer BWU Sydri, Galvanic Genius BGB Meren of Clan Nel Toth WGW Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith RRR Feldon of the Third Path WWW Heliod, God of the Sun
2 Thoughtseize
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Dispel
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Crumble to Dust
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Vandalblast
1 Spellskite
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Damnation
Coco-easy
Infect-easy
Affinity-usually in our favor
Control-usually in our favor
Combo-usually in our favor
Scapeshift-not bad
Jund-not bad
Aggro-not bad
Tron-pretty bad
Eldrazi- miserable
I dunno. There isn't enough room to cover everything. What do you guys think is most popular and necessary to board for? I'm really starting to want to give up in trying to beat tron and eldrazi type decks. I mean with TS, Clique, and Crumble, plus counterspells, tron becomes beatable.
But I have zero idea how to beat eldrazi. It's so difficult to deal with their creatures AND find a way to kill them. Damnation does the first part but it's counterproductive until we get a good planes walker printed that we can ride to victory. Just my opinion.
2 Thoughtseize
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Dispel
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Crumble to Dust
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Vandalblast
1 Spellskite
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Damnation
Coco-easy
Infect-easy
Affinity-usually in our favor
Control-usually in our favor
Combo-usually in our favor
Scapeshift-not bad
Jund-not bad
Aggro-not bad
Tron-pretty bad
Eldrazi- miserable
I dunno. There isn't enough room to cover everything. What do you guys think is most popular and necessary to board for? I'm really starting to want to give up in trying to beat tron and eldrazi type decks. I mean with TS, Clique, and Crumble, plus counterspells, tron becomes beatable.
But I have zero idea how to beat eldrazi. It's so difficult to deal with their creatures AND find a way to kill them. Damnation does the first part but it's counterproductive until we get a good planes walker printed that we can ride to victory. Just my opinion.
What do you guys think?
I feek the same way against bogles. I think we should just take those matches as losses because of how unlikely it is that we'll play against them. If we do so be it. I'd rather be prepared against the tier 1 decks that I'm more likely to encounter.
So I went 4-0 tonight to a nice first place. This is what I sleeved up for the night:
Beat Infect, Mono Blue Turns, Abzan CoCo, and U/R Aggro. Deck feels great. I really liked the mainboard Dispel people were advocating for here. Seal felt like a Sorcery speed shock all night, so I may switch it to a Dismember/Murderous Cut.
The other thing I tried was to do a 2-2 Split with Thought Scour/Serum Visions. Thought Scour felt powerful, but I had more than one occasion where I needed to dig for a land or an answer. I'm still not sure were I stand here, but the deck feels like it wants both.
Since decks like Eldrazi, Boggles and Zooicide variant are a fairly low percentage of the meta I think we should accept these matchups as losses and move on since we can't meta for everything.
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So with Nahiri on the rise, is it time to start packing more Dreadbores in the side?
Also, has anyone tried running Duress instead of IoK? I have 3 IoK in the MD right now, and given how good the deck handles creatures with spot removal (and I'm running 1 AotG main) and stone walling with Kalitas and Tasigur... Duress just seems like a better option. It takes everything, and more, that IoK would take. Thoughtseize obviously hits everything, but the life loss is a drag.
So with Nahiri on the rise, is it time to start packing more Dreadbores in the side?
Also, has anyone tried running Duress instead of IoK? I have 3 IoK in the MD right now, and given how good the deck handles creatures with spot removal (and I'm running 1 AotG main) and stone walling with Kalitas and Tasigur... Duress just seems like a better option. It takes everything, and more, that IoK would take. Thoughtseize obviously hits everything, but the life loss is a drag.
If anything you would switch Thoughtseize for Duress on your board since they're supposed to be sided in against the Combo matchups. Inquisition is still superior to both. It just gets so much, and sometimes taking a creature out of their hand is still better than having to use a Terminate on it.
Ryan Overturf t8'd the SCG Open with a Grixis "Delver" list but resembles more of an old school Chapin build minus the Cryptics. The deck runs Delvers alongside the delve package, skipping the Young Pyromancers/Titi and Gitaxian Probes. This feels like yet another merging of the Grixis archetype, as now Delver and Midrange builds are becoming even more similar. That being said what are your guys' thoughts on the list and what changes would you make.
I usually find myself not knowing what to side out. I end up taking out 1of several stuff to make room for more useful cards, but still. Feels frustrating.
Ryan Overturf t8'd the SCG Open with a Grixis "Delver" list but resembles more of an old school Chapin build minus the Cryptics. The deck runs Delvers alongside the delve package, skipping the Young Pyromancers/Titi and Gitaxian Probes. This feels like yet another merging of the Grixis archetype, as now Delver and Midrange builds are becoming even more similar. That being said what are your guys' thoughts on the list and what changes would you make.
I think everyone needs to take a hard look at his list. We shouldn't think of Grixis Delver as a different deck, but rather think of Delver of Secrets as another card that Grixis can potentially have in its arsenal. Like you said, that list is more of a Grixis Control deck with Delvers in it than a "Delver deck".
There is not much point in trying to play hard control or midrange with Grixis right now, so a Delver build could be where we want to be.
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Current Modern decks BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
Current Legacy decks BUG Shardless BUG / UWR Predict Miracles / RUG Canadian Thresh / WRBG 4c Loam UB Reanimator
Are people expecting that Nahiri will bring Jeskai back in such a fashion that you need hate for that specific matchup? I might be inclined to change Keranos to another grindy card simply because it's much more vulnerable against a nahiri deck, but little more beyond than.
Lol well.. it's a thing now.
It's not that bad of a match up for us. I played a few games against the deck. Just make sure you capitalize (stick a threat) when they tap for nahiri. They aren't running a bunch of Verdicts and Revs so that helps a whole lot. Rise // Fall did some serious work. Same goes for Counterflux.
If you want to play thing, you probably should cut down on delve creatures due to the nonbo with being bounced and add some cantrips, like a 4 of Gitaxian Probe, Serum Visions and Thought Scour. You also would want less 2 CMC spells and sorceries.
Ryan Overturf t8'd the SCG Open with a Grixis "Delver" list but resembles more of an old school Chapin build minus the Cryptics. The deck runs Delvers alongside the delve package, skipping the Young Pyromancers/Titi and Gitaxian Probes. This feels like yet another merging of the Grixis archetype, as now Delver and Midrange builds are becoming even more similar. That being said what are your guys' thoughts on the list and what changes would you make.
I think it's time to switch to Jeskai control... lol.
I went 5-4 at the Open. Not terrible, but I'm growing tired of loosing to random decks I shouldn't be playing ._.
They are great vs Infect, Affinity, Mirrors, UWx, and GBx decks.
Not for everyone, but has done nothing but put up good results for me at the past GP and Regionals.
Spreading Seas and Bribery I am still testing out. Thus far Spreading Seas has been great vs Burn on MTGO.. haven't had a chance to test in paper yet.
Bribery hasn't come up yet though in game play.
I bring in Spreading Seas a lot actually. Great vs Burn.
Not having access to Fulminators is another reason for me to run Downfall over Dreadbore. Getting access to another card that can answer them is pretty nice.
URB Some variant of Death's Shadow
URB Grixis Control (Chapin Version)
JFM Storm / Treasure Cruise Delver / Splinter Twin / InfectCommander/EDH
This pile of cards when I feel like it
Death's Shadow discord link
GURB Grixis/Jund Shadow
RBG Dredge
xUx U Ballista Tron
Commander
GUR Maelstrom Wanderer
BWU Sydri, Galvanic Genius
BGB Meren of Clan Nel Toth
WGW Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith
RRR Feldon of the Third Path
WWW Heliod, God of the Sun
URB Some variant of Death's Shadow
URB Grixis Control (Chapin Version)
JFM Storm / Treasure Cruise Delver / Splinter Twin / InfectCommander/EDH
This pile of cards when I feel like it
Death's Shadow discord link
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Dispel
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Crumble to Dust
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Vandalblast
1 Spellskite
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Damnation
Coco-easy
Infect-easy
Affinity-usually in our favor
Control-usually in our favor
Combo-usually in our favor
Scapeshift-not bad
Jund-not bad
Aggro-not bad
Tron-pretty bad
Eldrazi- miserable
I dunno. There isn't enough room to cover everything. What do you guys think is most popular and necessary to board for? I'm really starting to want to give up in trying to beat tron and eldrazi type decks. I mean with TS, Clique, and Crumble, plus counterspells, tron becomes beatable.
But I have zero idea how to beat eldrazi. It's so difficult to deal with their creatures AND find a way to kill them. Damnation does the first part but it's counterproductive until we get a good planes walker printed that we can ride to victory. Just my opinion.
What do you guys think?
I feek the same way against bogles. I think we should just take those matches as losses because of how unlikely it is that we'll play against them. If we do so be it. I'd rather be prepared against the tier 1 decks that I'm more likely to encounter.
So I went 4-0 tonight to a nice first place. This is what I sleeved up for the night:
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Goblin Dark-Dwellers
Sorceries
2 Serum Visions
3 Ancestral Vision
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
Instants
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Mana Leak
2 Remand
2 Spell Snare
2 Thought Scour
1 Dispel
3 Terminate
3 Kolaghan's Command
Enchantments
1 Seal of Fire
Lands
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained mire
2 Steam Vents
1 Watery Grave
1 Blood Crypt
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
2 Darkslick Shores
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Sulfur Falls
2 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Countersquall
1 Counterflux
1 Spellskite
1 Tribute to Hunger
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Pyroclasm
1 Anger of the gods
1 Damnation
2 Molten Rain
1 Crumble to Dust
1 Goblin Dark-Dwellers
Beat Infect, Mono Blue Turns, Abzan CoCo, and U/R Aggro. Deck feels great. I really liked the mainboard Dispel people were advocating for here. Seal felt like a Sorcery speed shock all night, so I may switch it to a Dismember/Murderous Cut.
The other thing I tried was to do a 2-2 Split with Thought Scour/Serum Visions. Thought Scour felt powerful, but I had more than one occasion where I needed to dig for a land or an answer. I'm still not sure were I stand here, but the deck feels like it wants both.
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URB Some variant of Death's Shadow
URB Grixis Control (Chapin Version)
JFM Storm / Treasure Cruise Delver / Splinter Twin / InfectCommander/EDH
This pile of cards when I feel like it
Death's Shadow discord link
Also, has anyone tried running Duress instead of IoK? I have 3 IoK in the MD right now, and given how good the deck handles creatures with spot removal (and I'm running 1 AotG main) and stone walling with Kalitas and Tasigur... Duress just seems like a better option. It takes everything, and more, that IoK would take. Thoughtseize obviously hits everything, but the life loss is a drag.
how about a negate instead?
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URB Some variant of Death's Shadow
URB Grixis Control (Chapin Version)
JFM Storm / Treasure Cruise Delver / Splinter Twin / InfectCommander/EDH
This pile of cards when I feel like it
Death's Shadow discord link
I think everyone needs to take a hard look at his list. We shouldn't think of Grixis Delver as a different deck, but rather think of Delver of Secrets as another card that Grixis can potentially have in its arsenal. Like you said, that list is more of a Grixis Control deck with Delvers in it than a "Delver deck".
There is not much point in trying to play hard control or midrange with Grixis right now, so a Delver build could be where we want to be.
BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
Current Legacy decks
BUG Shardless BUG / UWR Predict Miracles / RUG Canadian Thresh / WRBG 4c Loam
UB Reanimator
T2 tasigurs and 3/2 fliers, Thoughtscours instead of AV. The 3 missing lands are basically your manlands and lighthouse.
Or, from the other perspective (Delver pilots'): Let's drop the probes and just increase the land count. But fetches, because we hate flooding.
I'm sticking to the 4 probe + 18 land list because I'm running Thing.
man, so many ways to play Grixis now.
BGW Elves BGW|BW Tokens BW|WBR Sword&ShieldWBR|BUG DelverBUG|UWR Kiki UWR | UR Storm UR
Lol well.. it's a thing now.
It's not that bad of a match up for us. I played a few games against the deck. Just make sure you capitalize (stick a threat) when they tap for nahiri. They aren't running a bunch of Verdicts and Revs so that helps a whole lot. Rise // Fall did some serious work. Same goes for Counterflux.
Note- I was using the delve version.
I think it's time to switch to Jeskai control... lol.
I went 5-4 at the Open. Not terrible, but I'm growing tired of loosing to random decks I shouldn't be playing ._.
Jeskai just seems better at the moment.
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