I've never been a big fan of coco, i've found more success with Domri-versions and yes Arlin is really good in this deck. I'd recommend the full bag. The time might be ripe to leave Co Co behind, i sure won't be missing it
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On My side, i really dont know why some people dont like coco.. I think its one of the best card we can play mid game. Coco is à nightmare for jund/junk/abzan/mardu. I cant imagine My deck witout coco and elspeth right now. Im sûre arlynn is strong but the +3+3 flying finish is so strong.. And the 1/1 token vs Liliana.. Well that My opinion
On My side, i really dont know why some people dont like coco.. I think its one of the best card we can play mid game. Coco is à nightmare for jund/junk/abzan/mardu. I cant imagine My deck witout coco and elspeth right now. Im sûre arlynn is strong but the +3+3 flying finish is so strong.. And the 1/1 token vs Liliana.. Well that My opinion
Mostly I dislike the randomness and deck construction requirements. When it hits its certainly awesome, but I have had just as many whiffs even with 28-30 creatures. I don't think its a bad card and I like having it in the board for those matchups you mentioned.
I run big zoo builds and don't like that it doesn't find elspeth / chandra (arlinn?) or the larger creatures like linvala, hellkites, baneslayers, etc. I have played with Oath of Nissa on and off in place of CoCo and like the consistency it brings to the deck while still allowing us to dig for bullets.
Yeah you have a part of random with coco but 3 coco for 25 créature is a nice setup. Sometime i hit à bad coco but its habitually very constant. Witout coco, big zoo is way more predictable. When you got 4 mana or 3 mana with a knight you can surprise your opponent do hard. For me, if you only get à 5/5 knight or à 5/6 tarmo in instant (flash) that worth the 4 mana..
Loam Lion whilst i'm more in GW than RG Colors tight now.
I'm too testing Oath of Nissa along with Elspeth and maybe Domri Rade, it's even feeding da Goyf a lot.
Quick question for gruul zoo, if ever you need to remove some copies of kird ape or experiment one, which among the two are you going to take out first? Thanks!
So how does Oath of Nissa performs for everyone?
I just recognized it isn't even a T1 Play most of the times.
Most times for me - it isn't - unless i dont have a dork or a nacatl or had to bolt an opposing dork or nacatl. I use it to dig for bullets, keep 1 land hands, sculpt / reload as the game goes on. I did a lot of writeups in the gw hatebears thread when it came out if you want more thoughts.
So how does Oath of Nissa performs for everyone?
I just recognized it isn't even a T1 Play most of the times.
Most times for me - it isn't - unless i dont have a dork or a nacatl or had to bolt an opposing dork or nacatl. I use it to dig for bullets, keep 1 land hands, sculpt / reload as the game goes on. I did a lot of writeups in the gw hatebears thread when it came out if you want more thoughts.
Yeah,
i read it up.
What Bullets would be recommended?
I'm suggesting 2 Grim Lavamancer, Pridemage and Ooze Maindeck + some amount of
@Wagawagawali: Your Creature/Spell ratio is decent, 2 Tarmogoyf seems strange though...
I'm a fan of Small Zoo (or Burn Zoo) since it give us a chance against Abzan Rock while maintaining that focus on small 1cc creatures for the 1-for-1 decks to struggle with.
Here is a list I'm thinking about testing (much later though since I'm invested in Reckless Zoo):
@Wagawagawali: Your Creature/Spell ratio is decent, 2 Tarmogoyf seems strange though...
I'm a fan of Small Zoo (or Burn Zoo) since it give us a chance against Abzan Rock while maintaining that focus on small 1cc creatures for the 1-for-1 decks to struggle with.
Here is a list I'm thinking about testing (much later though since I'm invested in Reckless Zoo):
Abzan Rock is a great Matchup for Burn (Zoo).
They can't keep up with the speed and damage output from Eidolon, even Finks doesn't solve this problem entirely.
The playability of Vexing Devil is proportional to the number of creatures you run. It`s good in the usual Gruul Zoo lists that run close to 30 creatures. In that deck, it has synergy with Experiment One and Burning-Tree Emissary, and you don`t really care if they let it stick and remove it, because they are going to run out of removal anyway or not have time to play it all, since you run such an insane amount of creatures out at blazing speed. Going as low as 22 creatures with no Experiments and BTEs to blitz it out, I definitely wouldn`t play Vexing Devil, and in regular burn with 12-ish creatures, the card is actually utter trash because it turns their creature removal into a counter for a burn spell. I`d follow Polymorphs advice and run Lava Spike over it, or if you want to keep your creature count up, virtually any other good small zoo creature will do.
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That's sound advice - I might toss Steppe Lynx in its place (because it adorable).
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Kinda of-topic but why did you guys immediately answer my post but ignored wagawagawali? He was the one who actually plans on running Small Zoo (Zoo Burn) is it the deck box? I imagine that his set-up would of took longer then just a deck box but yeah the deck box does make viewing the deck much easier.
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For what its worth, this is what I've been testing on and off since Oath was released. Pretty happy with the main right now - sideboard is geared toward my lgs but you can see the kind of things I like to put in there.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
4 Windswept Heath
4 Arid Mesa
3 Stomping Ground
2 Temple Garden
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Scavenging Ooze
3 Voice of Resurgence
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
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finally i'll get my hands on 3 Tarmogoyf in April.
Problem now:
I got no Noble Hierarch, Goblin Guide or Birds of Paradise.
Does somebody suggest a good 1-Drop besides Wild Nacatl?
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Experiment One, Monastery Swiftspear and/or the venerable and much respected Kird Ape are my go to choices depending on the rest of the deck.
Mostly I dislike the randomness and deck construction requirements. When it hits its certainly awesome, but I have had just as many whiffs even with 28-30 creatures. I don't think its a bad card and I like having it in the board for those matchups you mentioned.
I run big zoo builds and don't like that it doesn't find elspeth / chandra (arlinn?) or the larger creatures like linvala, hellkites, baneslayers, etc. I have played with Oath of Nissa on and off in place of CoCo and like the consistency it brings to the deck while still allowing us to dig for bullets.
Loam Lion whilst i'm more in GW than RG Colors tight now.
I'm too testing Oath of Nissa along with Elspeth and maybe Domri Rade, it's even feeding da Goyf a lot.
Green @ it's best
It seems to be a great fixing tool.
Short on Lands or either Creatures / Planeswalkers, it's a decent choice to tweak your board.
I just recognized it isn't even a T1 Play most of the times.
Sometimes it's like T2, T3 for entering teh field, thus making our curve a bit strange.
In other scenarios i kept a 1-Lander with a Oath and fixed this one into a 2 Lander, which had been perfectly fine
Sometimes i was able to fix my landdrops to curve into a T4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant, which otherwise had been a hoser in my hand.
Green @ it's best
Most times for me - it isn't - unless i dont have a dork or a nacatl or had to bolt an opposing dork or nacatl. I use it to dig for bullets, keep 1 land hands, sculpt / reload as the game goes on. I did a lot of writeups in the gw hatebears thread when it came out if you want more thoughts.
Yeah,
i read it up.
What Bullets would be recommended?
I'm suggesting 2 Grim Lavamancer, Pridemage and Ooze Maindeck + some amount of
- Hushwing Gryff
- Kataki, War's Wage
- Kor Firewalker
- Pia and Kiran Nalaar
in my sideboard.Green @ it's best
I'm a fan of Small Zoo (or Burn Zoo) since it give us a chance against Abzan Rock while maintaining that focus on small 1cc creatures for the 1-for-1 decks to struggle with.
Here is a list I'm thinking about testing (much later though since I'm invested in Reckless Zoo):
12 Fetch
2 Mountain
2 GR Shock
4 RW Shock
Creatures 22
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon Of The Great Reveal
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Atarka's Command
4 Boros Charm
2 Searing Blaze
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It's nothing less but a Burn list
You should cut the Vexing Devil, it's a dead card in many situations.
Run Lava Spike instead, which is much better.
2 Hooting Mandrills + 2 Ghor-Clan Rampager are fine too because it gives you additional reach.
Abzan Rock is a great Matchup for Burn (Zoo).
They can't keep up with the speed and damage output from Eidolon, even Finks doesn't solve this problem entirely.
Green @ it's best
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Kinda of-topic but why did you guys immediately answer my post but ignored wagawagawali? He was the one who actually plans on running Small Zoo (Zoo Burn) is it the deck box? I imagine that his set-up would of took longer then just a deck box but yeah the deck box does make viewing the deck much easier.
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For what its worth, this is what I've been testing on and off since Oath was released. Pretty happy with the main right now - sideboard is geared toward my lgs but you can see the kind of things I like to put in there.
2x Arid Mesa
1x Forest
2x Ghost Quarter
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Kessig Wolf Run
1x Plains
2x Sacred Foundry
2x Stomping Ground
2x Temple Garden
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
Planeswalker (3)
1x Chandra, Pyromaster
2x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Birds of Paradise
2x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
4x Knight of the Reliquary
4x Noble Hierarch
3x Qasali Pridemage
4x Tarmogoyf
1x Thundermaw Hellkite
4x Wild Nacatl
Instant (7)
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
Enchantment (4)
4x Oath of Nissa
1x Arlinn Kord
2x Aven Mindcensor
1x Fiery Justice
2x Grim Lavamancer
2x Hushwing Gryff
1x Phyrexian Unlife
2x Scavenging Ooze
2x Stony Silence
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
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