Yeah but there's really nothing else you can put in that slot. Electrolyze?
I don't think Electrolyze is good in enough match-ups to warrant inclusion at the moment. I would run some number in Non-Nahiri decks but I don't think it pulls it's weight in this meta. I do agree that he'll need some sort of card advantage but this forum isn't about card availability. There is the budget forum for that. This is supposed to be a place to discuss tier one lists.
If he's playing 24 lands I guess he could run multiple Cryptics but at that point with no AV and multiple 4 mana counterspells it feels like he's just running a more clunky deck. I would recommend he try and create card advantage with cards like Anger of the Gods (or whatever wrath is good in his meta)
How do you all feel about Geist of Saint Traft in the current meta? I want to try 2 maindeck at the next event I go to, because with my testing online it makes it easier to turn into a bolt snap bolt deck or Just fire up and Colonnade and swing with Geist for 10 if unblocked or 8 if blocked.
Geist in the sideboard has been great for me, was actually able to beat r/g through the breach because of it, surprisingly. Not sure I like it in the maindeck, as there are too many decks it isn't that great against because of being clunky, or too many creatures in the way.
How do you all feel about Geist of Saint Traft in the current meta? I want to try 2 maindeck at the next event I go to, because with my testing online it makes it easier to turn into a bolt snap bolt deck or Just fire up and Colonnade and swing with Geist for 10 if unblocked or 8 if blocked.
The problem is that people have been trying that plan for years and it was almost always a tier 2/3 strategy. I think they are better in the sideboard.
For the people who sideboard Elspeth, Sun's Champion; do you bring it in against control decks, especially the mirror? On one end resolving her probably just wins the game straight out, but I'm still uncertain I want a 6 mana sorcery speed spell in those matchups.
What do you guys think about the uptick in abzan right now? Do you think 2 Anger Main could be reasonable? I think the greatest difficuly right now is to defend nahiri against decks which have more Thread than you can handle. I have also tried a version with added Black for lingering Souls Main and Slaughter Games in the Sideboard. The only Problem with it is casting Helix turn 2. Is there maybe a better way to mittigate the damage?
The uptick in Abzan is harsh because our Jund MU is better than our Abzan MU. The card to beat is definitely Lingering Souls, and two Angers main is very viable. I've tried the black splash but I dislike it; it taxes the manabase a lot as souls is only really good in the slow MUs, against which there are better cards anyways. You would need to cut some Helixes for Souls and since the vast majority of modern is still fast linear aggro I dislike that. Running Cryptic Command or more than one Anger is also very questionable in the black splash, two cards that are also good versus Abzan
For the people who sideboard Elspeth, Sun's Champion; do you bring it in against control decks, especially the mirror? On one end resolving her probably just wins the game straight out, but I'm still uncertain I want a 6 mana sorcery speed spell in those matchups.
What do you guys think about the uptick in abzan right now? Do you think 2 Anger Main could be reasonable? I think the greatest difficuly right now is to defend nahiri against decks which have more Thread than you can handle. I have also tried a version with added Black for lingering Souls Main and Slaughter Games in the Sideboard. The only Problem with it is casting Helix turn 2. Is there maybe a better way to mittigate the damage?
The uptick in Abzan is harsh because our Jund MU is better than our Abzan MU. The card to beat is definitely Lingering Souls, and two Angers main is very viable. I've tried the black splash but I dislike it; it taxes the manabase a lot as souls is only really good in the slow MUs, against which there are better cards anyways. You would need to cut some Helixes for Souls and since the vast majority of modern is still fast linear aggro I dislike that. Running Cryptic Command or more than one Anger is also very questionable in the black splash, two cards that are also good versus Abzan
Yes, I do bring Elspeth in against the mirror. Those match-ups tend to be attrition based and even making the tokens twice is going to be very strong in that match-up. It's hard to get those tokens dead post-board in the control mirror. I've heard a lot of people talk about the uptick of Abzan but I'm not sure it's happened in the "real meta" just a couple rounds of a very tiny modern event (3 rounds of worlds), as I told someone that asked me privately about this question, I faced Jund 6 times over 15 rounds and never faced any form of Abzan deck. I don't think the hard-core modern players switch from jund that frequently. Use your Nahiri more aggressively as removal, and be aware that in G1 they will likely be stuck with tons of useless removal in hand and it's possibly for a quick ultimate, G2 and G3 I like our Izzet Staticasters (lots of removal is sideboarded out) and cards like EE and Negates over Remand.
Hi guys been lurking here at the forums for quite a while now . This is my current list, I was thinking of adding 1 more Supreme Verdict mainboard and cut off 1 Lightning Helix
Is there a reason why we only board 1-2 wrath effects mainboard? or should it be really meta depended?
I was thinking that most decks in Modern have creatures and by turn 4 it should be hard to respond with spot removal only and its hard to counter late game with mana leak so wrath effects are optimal
But yeah I haven't see a deck mainboard 4 wraths so I could be wrong
Thanks in advance
How bad do you guys deem the bant eldrazi matchup? How have you changed your decklist to accomodate the matchup?
Unfavorable, but not bad. I think it's worse for decks with clunky spells like Cryptic and Electrolyze. I was thinking of making a gameplan to show some people how to prepare their deck for multiple matches against Eldrazi but been busy.
How bad do you guys deem the bant eldrazi matchup? How have you changed your decklist to accomodate the matchup?
Unfavorable, but not bad. I think it's worse for decks with clunky spells like Cryptic and Electrolyze. I was thinking of making a gameplan to show some people how to prepare their deck for multiple matches against Eldrazi but been busy.
Pls my friend.
I put a lot of notes on this the next day, you can have a look = )
I'm going for straight up 3 Spirebluff Canals. Turn 1 white isn't very important, and going T1 Colonnade T2 Canal for Helix + countermagic is great
Hmm, I could get behind that idea (especially running 1-2 Anger of the Gods in the main), though that means I have to buy 3 Spirebluff Canals instead of 2.
I'm going for straight up 3 Spirebluff Canals. Turn 1 white isn't very important, and going T1 Colonnade T2 Canal for Helix + countermagic is great
Hmm, I could get behind that idea (especially running 1-2 Anger of the Gods in the main), though that means I have to buy 3 Spirebluff Canals instead of 2.
You can safely run at least two. I guess a lot of testing will have to be done on the 3rd and 4th copies to see how much it hinders versus helps. Not having to fetch shock so much will be nice.
I played a mostly stock Nahiri list (1 Timely, 1 Electrolyze, 1 Logic Knot MB) at fnm this week and took home 1st place w/ a 3-0-1 record, playing Tron (2-1), Storm (1-1-1), Grixis Control (2-1), and Jund (2-0).
I did get extremely lucky against Tron in G2 when I played my last counterspell and was about to lose to his hand (which was loaded w/ bombs), until I untapped and drew Crumble to dust. I Ended up winning that game w/ Colonnade beats over the next few turns. G3 I started the game w/ GQ + Crumble in hand. He tapped out on t4 for a threat that I countered, and I followed up with Crumble and Nahiri the turn after. He did cast ancient stirrings to grab a cage the turn before I ulted, but I had an EoT Wear//Tear waiting on it.
Storm went to time as a result of my opponent being new to the deck and taking long turns trying to find the right line of play to combo out in the first game. Grixis control was similar to Jund in that they can grind us out pretty well but don't have good answers to Nahiri and I ended up winning 2-0. Game 2 went on for so long I ulted Nahiri and he was able to sac 6 lands and block w/ a Faerie from bitterblossom, and continued to go on until I was almost able to ult her again (Keranos finished the game for me).
Jund was pretty straightforward, as I've played that matchup from the Jund perspective a million times and it's nearly unwinnable for them. G2 I resolved an AV and drew 3 Nahiris (4th already in hand), missing land drops long enough that I was unable to recover from his t4 Thrun despite having Wrath of God in hand since T1. G3 he did resolve a grafdiggers cage, so it took long enough to kill him that my Nahiri was at 22 Loyalty when he finally went down.
I'd post my list, but I'm at work and don't have it on me. SB is pretty standard too, was running 2 Spreading Seas/1 Crumble, Keranos over Elspeth, and a 2nd Timely in the SB.
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I played a mostly stock Nahiri list (1 Timely, 1 Electrolyze, 1 Logic Knot MB) at fnm this week and took home 1st place w/ a 3-0-1 record, playing Tron (2-1), Storm (1-1-1), Grixis Control (2-1), and Jund (2-0).
I did get extremely lucky against Tron in G2 when I played my last counterspell and was about to lose to his hand (which was loaded w/ bombs), until I untapped and drew Crumble to dust. I Ended up winning that game w/ Colonnade beats over the next few turns. G3 I started the game w/ GQ + Crumble in hand. He tapped out on t4 for a threat that I countered, and I followed up with Crumble and Nahiri the turn after. He did cast ancient stirrings to grab a cage the turn before I ulted, but I had an EoT Wear//Tear waiting on it.
Storm went to time as a result of my opponent being new to the deck and taking long turns trying to find the right line of play to combo out in the first game. Grixis control was similar to Jund in that they can grind us out pretty well but don't have good answers to Nahiri and I ended up winning 2-0. Game 2 went on for so long I ulted Nahiri and he was able to sac 6 lands and block w/ a Faerie from bitterblossom, and continued to go on until I was almost able to ult her again (Keranos finished the game for me).
Jund was pretty straightforward, as I've played that matchup from the Jund perspective a million times and it's nearly unwinnable for them. G2 I resolved an AV and drew 3 Nahiris (4th already in hand), missing land drops long enough that I was unable to recover from his t4 Thrun despite having Wrath of God in hand since T1. G3 he did resolve a grafdiggers cage, so it took long enough to kill him that my Nahiri was at 22 Loyalty when he finally went down.
I'd post my list, but I'm at work and don't have it on me. SB is pretty standard too, was running 2 Spreading Seas/1 Crumble, Keranos over Elspeth, and a 2nd Timely in the SB.
Keranos is close to unplayable, just so you know. Those type of cards also need to be able to be brought in against the mirror, which is also grindy and Nahiri just exiles it. Jund is already a very positive match-up.
To others, don't let me see you using a valuable sideboard slo ton Keranos
I played a mostly stock Nahiri list (1 Timely, 1 Electrolyze, 1 Logic Knot MB) at fnm this week and took home 1st place w/ a 3-0-1 record, playing Tron (2-1), Storm (1-1-1), Grixis Control (2-1), and Jund (2-0).
I did get extremely lucky against Tron in G2 when I played my last counterspell and was about to lose to his hand (which was loaded w/ bombs), until I untapped and drew Crumble to dust. I Ended up winning that game w/ Colonnade beats over the next few turns. G3 I started the game w/ GQ + Crumble in hand. He tapped out on t4 for a threat that I countered, and I followed up with Crumble and Nahiri the turn after. He did cast ancient stirrings to grab a cage the turn before I ulted, but I had an EoT Wear//Tear waiting on it.
Storm went to time as a result of my opponent being new to the deck and taking long turns trying to find the right line of play to combo out in the first game. Grixis control was similar to Jund in that they can grind us out pretty well but don't have good answers to Nahiri and I ended up winning 2-0. Game 2 went on for so long I ulted Nahiri and he was able to sac 6 lands and block w/ a Faerie from bitterblossom, and continued to go on until I was almost able to ult her again (Keranos finished the game for me).
Jund was pretty straightforward, as I've played that matchup from the Jund perspective a million times and it's nearly unwinnable for them. G2 I resolved an AV and drew 3 Nahiris (4th already in hand), missing land drops long enough that I was unable to recover from his t4 Thrun despite having Wrath of God in hand since T1. G3 he did resolve a grafdiggers cage, so it took long enough to kill him that my Nahiri was at 22 Loyalty when he finally went down.
I'd post my list, but I'm at work and don't have it on me. SB is pretty standard too, was running 2 Spreading Seas/1 Crumble, Keranos over Elspeth, and a 2nd Timely in the SB.
Keranos is close to unplayable, just so you know. Those type of cards also need to be able to be brought in against the mirror, which is also grindy and Nahiri just exiles it. Jund is already a very positive match-up.
To others, don't let me see you using a valuable sideboard slo ton Keranos
Keranos is really only bad in the mirror, which I'm fine with since I knew that no one else was playing the deck there. I also didn't feel like pulling elspeth out of my EDH deck to run it in the sb since Keranos would be enough for the grindy matchups I knew I would see.
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I don't think Electrolyze is good in enough match-ups to warrant inclusion at the moment. I would run some number in Non-Nahiri decks but I don't think it pulls it's weight in this meta. I do agree that he'll need some sort of card advantage but this forum isn't about card availability. There is the budget forum for that. This is supposed to be a place to discuss tier one lists.
If he's playing 24 lands I guess he could run multiple Cryptics but at that point with no AV and multiple 4 mana counterspells it feels like he's just running a more clunky deck. I would recommend he try and create card advantage with cards like Anger of the Gods (or whatever wrath is good in his meta)
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The problem is that people have been trying that plan for years and it was almost always a tier 2/3 strategy. I think they are better in the sideboard.
The uptick in Abzan is harsh because our Jund MU is better than our Abzan MU. The card to beat is definitely Lingering Souls, and two Angers main is very viable. I've tried the black splash but I dislike it; it taxes the manabase a lot as souls is only really good in the slow MUs, against which there are better cards anyways. You would need to cut some Helixes for Souls and since the vast majority of modern is still fast linear aggro I dislike that. Running Cryptic Command or more than one Anger is also very questionable in the black splash, two cards that are also good versus Abzan
Yes, I do bring Elspeth in against the mirror. Those match-ups tend to be attrition based and even making the tokens twice is going to be very strong in that match-up. It's hard to get those tokens dead post-board in the control mirror. I've heard a lot of people talk about the uptick of Abzan but I'm not sure it's happened in the "real meta" just a couple rounds of a very tiny modern event (3 rounds of worlds), as I told someone that asked me privately about this question, I faced Jund 6 times over 15 rounds and never faced any form of Abzan deck. I don't think the hard-core modern players switch from jund that frequently. Use your Nahiri more aggressively as removal, and be aware that in G1 they will likely be stuck with tons of useless removal in hand and it's possibly for a quick ultimate, G2 and G3 I like our Izzet Staticasters (lots of removal is sideboarded out) and cards like EE and Negates over Remand.
1Mountain
1Plain
4Flooded Strand
4Scalding Tarn
1Arid Mesa
2Celestial Colonnade
2Steam Vents
2Sulfur Falls
1Hallowed Fountain
1Sacred Foundry
1Ghost Quarter
4Lightning Bolt
4Path to Exile
2Lightning Helix
2Anger of the Gods
1Supreme Verdict
4Serum Visions
3Ancestral Visions
1Cryptic Command
2Remand
2Spell Snare
3Mana leak
4Snapcaster Mage
4Nahiri, the Harbinger
1Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2Stony Silence
2Rest in Peace
1Izzet Staticaster
1Dispel
2Negate
1Engineered Explosives
2Geist of Saint Traft
1Celestial Purge
1Vendilion Clique
1Crumble to Dust
1Timely Reinforcements
Hi guys been lurking here at the forums for quite a while now . This is my current list, I was thinking of adding 1 more Supreme Verdict mainboard and cut off 1 Lightning Helix
Is there a reason why we only board 1-2 wrath effects mainboard? or should it be really meta depended?
I was thinking that most decks in Modern have creatures and by turn 4 it should be hard to respond with spot removal only and its hard to counter late game with mana leak so wrath effects are optimal
But yeah I haven't see a deck mainboard 4 wraths so I could be wrong
Thanks in advance
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I put a lot of notes on this the next day, you can have a look = )
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand
Basics
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Steam Vents
Fastlands
1 Seachrome Coast
2 Spirebluff Canal
3 Celestial Colonnade
Utility
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Spirebluff Canal
3 Celestial Colonnade
2 Island
2 Steam Vents
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
Frontier: UBR Grixis Control | BRG Jund Delirium
How do you play this match ?
Hmm, I could get behind that idea (especially running 1-2 Anger of the Gods in the main), though that means I have to buy 3 Spirebluff Canals instead of 2.
You can safely run at least two. I guess a lot of testing will have to be done on the 3rd and 4th copies to see how much it hinders versus helps. Not having to fetch shock so much will be nice.
I did get extremely lucky against Tron in G2 when I played my last counterspell and was about to lose to his hand (which was loaded w/ bombs), until I untapped and drew Crumble to dust. I Ended up winning that game w/ Colonnade beats over the next few turns. G3 I started the game w/ GQ + Crumble in hand. He tapped out on t4 for a threat that I countered, and I followed up with Crumble and Nahiri the turn after. He did cast ancient stirrings to grab a cage the turn before I ulted, but I had an EoT Wear//Tear waiting on it.
Storm went to time as a result of my opponent being new to the deck and taking long turns trying to find the right line of play to combo out in the first game. Grixis control was similar to Jund in that they can grind us out pretty well but don't have good answers to Nahiri and I ended up winning 2-0. Game 2 went on for so long I ulted Nahiri and he was able to sac 6 lands and block w/ a Faerie from bitterblossom, and continued to go on until I was almost able to ult her again (Keranos finished the game for me).
Jund was pretty straightforward, as I've played that matchup from the Jund perspective a million times and it's nearly unwinnable for them. G2 I resolved an AV and drew 3 Nahiris (4th already in hand), missing land drops long enough that I was unable to recover from his t4 Thrun despite having Wrath of God in hand since T1. G3 he did resolve a grafdiggers cage, so it took long enough to kill him that my Nahiri was at 22 Loyalty when he finally went down.
I'd post my list, but I'm at work and don't have it on me. SB is pretty standard too, was running 2 Spreading Seas/1 Crumble, Keranos over Elspeth, and a 2nd Timely in the SB.
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Keranos is close to unplayable, just so you know. Those type of cards also need to be able to be brought in against the mirror, which is also grindy and Nahiri just exiles it. Jund is already a very positive match-up.
To others, don't let me see you using a valuable sideboard slo ton Keranos
Keranos is really only bad in the mirror, which I'm fine with since I knew that no one else was playing the deck there. I also didn't feel like pulling elspeth out of my EDH deck to run it in the sb since Keranos would be enough for the grindy matchups I knew I would see.
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