Whatever decks are the top tier, you can tool this deck to be better against those decks. If UW Control becomes good, play more Voices, maybe even MD Sin Collector/Thoughtseize
Not excited about playing collected company in a meta that will likely be full of graveyard hate, dispels, mana leaks, and wraths in the near future. Thinking about switching up to a value based list with evolutionary leaps instead of collected companies. Here's my initial draft:
Well.. Why even play any combo pieces at all at this point? How are you going to find them? What makes the combo plan of this deck work is the combination of Chord+Company and the high number of combo pieces.
If you're really that worried about control, 4x Voice is a no-brainer, for starters. The rest of your list is just a big overreaction. The control player leaving blue mana up is a huge tell and it makes it very easy to play around counterspells, if not outright run into them to force them to give you a Voice token or get back your spell with E Witness later on. Wraths are just bad against a combination of Voice+Finks on the board. Just play conservatively and the control matchup isn't really that bad, since they usually lack a clock to go along with their disruption, letting you beat them down with a couple of creatures in the meantime.
As for the graveyard hate, this might actualy be the right time to run Angel+Feeder main, or at least SB it.
Well.. Why even play any combo pieces at all at this point? How are you going to find them? What makes the combo plan of this deck work is the combination of Chord+Company and the high number of combo pieces.
If you're really that worried about control, 4x Voice is a no-brainer, for starters. The rest of your list is just a big overreaction. The control player leaving blue mana up is a huge tell and it makes it very easy to play around counterspells, if not outright run into them to force them to give you a Voice token or get back your spell with E Witness later on. Wraths are just bad against a combination of Voice+Finks on the board. Just play conservatively and the control matchup isn't really that bad, since they usually lack a clock to go along with their disruption, letting you beat them down with a couple of creatures in the meantime.
As for the graveyard hate, this might actualy be the right time to run Angel+Feeder main, or at least SB it.
lol i left the 4x chord of calling out of my list like a dingus. the deck is still combo focused, but more 50/50 split between combo and beatdown/value grind than the 75/25 plan in the company list.
Whatever decks are the top tier, you can tool this deck to be better against those decks. If UW Control becomes good, play more Voices, maybe even MD Sin Collector/Thoughtseize
Yeah, there were a few U/W players last night. I already have 4 voice in the list but that's not enough. Thoughtseize will be needed again, I just have to get them back. These guys were using 2-4 Condemn and 4 Path to Exile. I saw Cryptic Command, Oujutai Command, Manaleak, Sun's Champion, Gideon Jura, Walls of Omen, Supreme Verdict, and Wrath of God in the same deck. Maybe I can recruit some kids and give them a bunch of red cards and tell them to come play, but there is no balance in the force here right now.
Whatever decks are the top tier, you can tool this deck to be better against those decks. If UW Control becomes good, play more Voices, maybe even MD Sin Collector/Thoughtseize
Yeah, there were a few U/W players last night. I already have 4 voice in the list but that's not enough. Thoughtseize will be needed again, I just have to get them back. These guys were using 2-4 Condemn and 4 Path to Exile. I saw Cryptic Command, Oujutai Command, Manaleak, Sun's Champion, Gideon Jura, Walls of Omen, Supreme Verdict, and Wrath of God in the same deck. Maybe I can recruit some kids and give them a bunch of red cards and tell them to come play, but there is no balance in the force here right now.
That build is just tailored for Eldrazi, once the B&R announcements come into effect UW will be very different. We need to just wait and see what the control decks look like, then we can continue from there.
As people have mentioned already though; more Voices, Evolutionary Leap, Thoughtseize/Sin Protector, more Scavenging Oozes are fine tools.
Whatever decks are the top tier, you can tool this deck to be better against those decks. If UW Control becomes good, play more Voices, maybe even MD Sin Collector/Thoughtseize
Yeah, there were a few U/W players last night. I already have 4 voice in the list but that's not enough. Thoughtseize will be needed again, I just have to get them back. These guys were using 2-4 Condemn and 4 Path to Exile. I saw Cryptic Command, Oujutai Command, Manaleak, Sun's Champion, Gideon Jura, Walls of Omen, Supreme Verdict, and Wrath of God in the same deck. Maybe I can recruit some kids and give them a bunch of red cards and tell them to come play, but there is no balance in the force here right now.
That build is just tailored for Eldrazi, once the B&R announcements come into effect UW will be very different. We need to just wait and see what the control decks look like, then we can continue from there.
As people have mentioned already though; more Voices, Evolutionary Leap, Thoughtseize/Sin Protector, more Scavenging Oozes are fine tools.
They weren't for Eldrazi, they knew no one was playing Eldrazi here. But also no one plays burn here right now. I was never that impressed with Evolutionary Leap for u/w though.
Don't be surprised to see an uptick in Martyr Proc as well, with Sun's Champion, Sun Titan, Gideon Jura, Ghostly Prisons, Wraths/paths/Orzhov Charm/Anguished Unmaking/Ayli. I pulled apart my Soul Sisters and put Martyr Proc together myself.
I would consider vexing shusher for the main, even, but unless they bring pod back, I think I may move back to lantern control for a while. I think that deck can hate out other control pretty solidly
Oh man, I love martyr proc too, it's great vs all of aggro, midrange and control, but sucks vs fast combo. I'd definately play out again if the format goes more grindy.
I agree that Coco has the tools to stay competitive if blue-based control makes a comeback. But I'd still be sad because of counters on our best cards (coco + Chord) and board wipes.
The other good tool we have is township - maybe go to 4 with 23 lands, 6-8 dorks?
Whatever decks are the top tier, you can tool this deck to be better against those decks. If UW Control becomes good, play more Voices, maybe even MD Sin Collector/Thoughtseize
Yeah, there were a few U/W players last night. I already have 4 voice in the list but that's not enough. Thoughtseize will be needed again, I just have to get them back. These guys were using 2-4 Condemn and 4 Path to Exile. I saw Cryptic Command, Oujutai Command, Manaleak, Sun's Champion, Gideon Jura, Walls of Omen, Supreme Verdict, and Wrath of God in the same deck. Maybe I can recruit some kids and give them a bunch of red cards and tell them to come play, but there is no balance in the force here right now.
That build is just tailored for Eldrazi, once the B&R announcements come into effect UW will be very different. We need to just wait and see what the control decks look like, then we can continue from there.
As people have mentioned already though; more Voices, Evolutionary Leap, Thoughtseize/Sin Protector, more Scavenging Oozes are fine tools.
They weren't for Eldrazi, they knew no one was playing Eldrazi here. But also no one plays burn here right now. I was never that impressed with Evolutionary Leap for u/w though.
No, I mean that build that you described was built to beat Eldrazi, they've netdecked it. Paul Cheon did some videos of it on Channel Fireball.
I'm not sure we're able to play him based on flavor text alone.
In seriousness, I think the 3 ccc is too steep.
Beat me to the pun, damn.
His ability also wonks on cast, so hitting him off of a company wouldn't help much. I'd rather hit something like a Spellskite since it gets the most use out of an instant speed company. If you aren't playing him at instant speed then Voice is goig to be better. The only place I an see this excelling is in lategame topdeck scenarios where you can play him on an empty field and the opponent draws a land.
Whatever decks are the top tier, you can tool this deck to be better against those decks. If UW Control becomes good, play more Voices, maybe even MD Sin Collector/Thoughtseize
Yeah, there were a few U/W players last night. I already have 4 voice in the list but that's not enough. Thoughtseize will be needed again, I just have to get them back. These guys were using 2-4 Condemn and 4 Path to Exile. I saw Cryptic Command, Oujutai Command, Manaleak, Sun's Champion, Gideon Jura, Walls of Omen, Supreme Verdict, and Wrath of God in the same deck. Maybe I can recruit some kids and give them a bunch of red cards and tell them to come play, but there is no balance in the force here right now.
That build is just tailored for Eldrazi, once the B&R announcements come into effect UW will be very different. We need to just wait and see what the control decks look like, then we can continue from there.
As people have mentioned already though; more Voices, Evolutionary Leap, Thoughtseize/Sin Protector, more Scavenging Oozes are fine tools.
They weren't for Eldrazi, they knew no one was playing Eldrazi here. But also no one plays burn here right now. I was never that impressed with Evolutionary Leap for u/w though.
No, I mean that build that you described was built to beat Eldrazi, they've netdecked it. Paul Cheon did some videos of it on Channel Fireball.
Yeah, some of them probably did netdeck it. The one person in particular though has always been using this, if it goes back to just him though it will be okay. My thing is even if it's built for Eldrazi it's good against us as well, especially if their weakness isn't properly represented right now.
Im wondering where we would fit four voices and maindeck backup combol unless we are dropping wall of roots or maybe an anafenza or something. It does seem like the angel feeder deck people were running around with that had no coco and 4 lingering souls maybe a good way to go with the deck
against a sword/thopter deck i am relaying solely on Orzhov Pontiff to wipe out their tokens before they become an issue.
if blue is going to uptick (specifically counters) i might go for the vexing susher, though a grand arbiter might work in some regard.
i personally have to wait a week or so, my local meta quickly flickered to post-eldrazi a couple weeks ago it fear of the looming ban, but not sure how many will go for AV or SoM decks .
against a sword/thopter deck i am relaying solely on Orzhov Pontiff to wipe out their tokens before they become an issue.
if blue is going to uptick (specifically counters) i might go for the vexing susher, though a grand arbiter might work in some regard.
i personally have to wait a week or so, my local meta quickly flickered to post-eldrazi a couple weeks ago it fear of the looming ban, but not sure how many will go for AV or SoM decks .
I was considering shusher as well. Totally forgot about arbiter. I wonder if it would work to drop some combo pieces to go heavy into the hate/value. Maybe drop a finks a melira, anafenza and a seer and go with an abolisher or two, bump up the voice of resurgences and add a sin collector mainboard maybe and work in the angel feeder combo. Although g1 very few decks have gy hate and if counterdecks hate jund out then the backup combo might not be necessary mainboard. I think on my tourney day tomorrow im going to bring the backup combo main and keep the rest the same. There no way to predict how its going to shakeout but Ill see.
main deck pretty standard, with
3 voice of resurgence
1 qasali
1 ooze
1 spellskite
1 orzhov pontiff
How would you SB/Flex your deck in the new meta?
Reasons for SB:
Burrenton-forge tender
Solid against Anger of the gods. Pretty much needed with the upcoming Jund/Grixis threat.
Pithing needle
Good against a variety of cards, mainly Thopter foundry/man-lands/lightning storm etc
Abrupt Decay
Catch-all removal
Choke
For blue decks, probably the worst card in the SB
Linvala
Mirror match all-star, might remove if meta becomes more controlly
Sigarda
Kills control and Jund quickly and effectively
Rest of the cards are pretty much standard, except for the missing Thoughseizes and Fulminators.
Added in an extra Qasali for the threat of thopters and people bringing in cards like curse of death's hold and Night of Souls' Betrayal, affecting a majority of our creatures(mana dorks etc)
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If you're really that worried about control, 4x Voice is a no-brainer, for starters. The rest of your list is just a big overreaction. The control player leaving blue mana up is a huge tell and it makes it very easy to play around counterspells, if not outright run into them to force them to give you a Voice token or get back your spell with E Witness later on. Wraths are just bad against a combination of Voice+Finks on the board. Just play conservatively and the control matchup isn't really that bad, since they usually lack a clock to go along with their disruption, letting you beat them down with a couple of creatures in the meantime.
As for the graveyard hate, this might actualy be the right time to run Angel+Feeder main, or at least SB it.
lol i left the 4x chord of calling out of my list like a dingus. the deck is still combo focused, but more 50/50 split between combo and beatdown/value grind than the 75/25 plan in the company list.
Yeah, there were a few U/W players last night. I already have 4 voice in the list but that's not enough. Thoughtseize will be needed again, I just have to get them back. These guys were using 2-4 Condemn and 4 Path to Exile. I saw Cryptic Command, Oujutai Command, Manaleak, Sun's Champion, Gideon Jura, Walls of Omen, Supreme Verdict, and Wrath of God in the same deck. Maybe I can recruit some kids and give them a bunch of red cards and tell them to come play, but there is no balance in the force here right now.
That build is just tailored for Eldrazi, once the B&R announcements come into effect UW will be very different. We need to just wait and see what the control decks look like, then we can continue from there.
As people have mentioned already though; more Voices, Evolutionary Leap, Thoughtseize/Sin Protector, more Scavenging Oozes are fine tools.
They weren't for Eldrazi, they knew no one was playing Eldrazi here. But also no one plays burn here right now. I was never that impressed with Evolutionary Leap for u/w though.
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I agree that Coco has the tools to stay competitive if blue-based control makes a comeback. But I'd still be sad because of counters on our best cards (coco + Chord) and board wipes.
The other good tool we have is township - maybe go to 4 with 23 lands, 6-8 dorks?
No, I mean that build that you described was built to beat Eldrazi, they've netdecked it. Paul Cheon did some videos of it on Channel Fireball.
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I'm not sure we're able to play him based on flavor text alone.
In seriousness, I think the 3 ccc is too steep.
His ability also wonks on cast, so hitting him off of a company wouldn't help much. I'd rather hit something like a Spellskite since it gets the most use out of an instant speed company. If you aren't playing him at instant speed then Voice is goig to be better. The only place I an see this excelling is in lategame topdeck scenarios where you can play him on an empty field and the opponent draws a land.
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Yeah, some of them probably did netdeck it. The one person in particular though has always been using this, if it goes back to just him though it will be okay. My thing is even if it's built for Eldrazi it's good against us as well, especially if their weakness isn't properly represented right now.
if blue is going to uptick (specifically counters) i might go for the vexing susher, though a grand arbiter might work in some regard.
i personally have to wait a week or so, my local meta quickly flickered to post-eldrazi a couple weeks ago it fear of the looming ban, but not sure how many will go for AV or SoM decks .
I was considering shusher as well. Totally forgot about arbiter. I wonder if it would work to drop some combo pieces to go heavy into the hate/value. Maybe drop a finks a melira, anafenza and a seer and go with an abolisher or two, bump up the voice of resurgences and add a sin collector mainboard maybe and work in the angel feeder combo. Although g1 very few decks have gy hate and if counterdecks hate jund out then the backup combo might not be necessary mainboard. I think on my tourney day tomorrow im going to bring the backup combo main and keep the rest the same. There no way to predict how its going to shakeout but Ill see.
Mine is something akin to
1 qasali pridemage
1 scavenging ooze
1 spellskite
1 burrenton forge tender
1 Kataki
1 Linvala (ROE)
1 Sigarda(AVR)
1 choke
2 pithing needles
3 path to exile
2 abrupt decay
main deck pretty standard, with
3 voice of resurgence
1 qasali
1 ooze
1 spellskite
1 orzhov pontiff
How would you SB/Flex your deck in the new meta?
Reasons for SB:
Burrenton-forge tender
Solid against Anger of the gods. Pretty much needed with the upcoming Jund/Grixis threat.
Pithing needle
Good against a variety of cards, mainly Thopter foundry/man-lands/lightning storm etc
Abrupt Decay
Catch-all removal
Choke
For blue decks, probably the worst card in the SB
Linvala
Mirror match all-star, might remove if meta becomes more controlly
Sigarda
Kills control and Jund quickly and effectively
Rest of the cards are pretty much standard, except for the missing Thoughseizes and Fulminators.
Added in an extra Qasali for the threat of thopters and people bringing in cards like curse of death's hold and Night of Souls' Betrayal, affecting a majority of our creatures(mana dorks etc)
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