if you don't have lots of ways to interact with them and galv blast and spell pierce can catch you off guard.
favored but def not the best.
we don't really crush any decks, we're just pretty good against almost everything
bloom titan, infect, tron, collected elves are all feel hard to lose though.
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shackles is not dead against affinity, it's very very useful, and one of the few ways to deal with etched champion
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Well I'm going for the beatdown plan in g2 mostly because they have a ton of counters. I generally don't like to side out bolts against anyone.
You can cut Electrolyze and maybe half of the combo (2 Twins and 3 Exarchs/Pestermites). If you play Grim Lavamancer I'd cut that too.
They play like a control deck and we have threats that put them in a ugly spot: Keranos, God of Storms is a nice example. Then you could consider siding in Sower against their Wurmcoil Engine but I don't know if that's the way to go. Surely not bringing in Blood Moon because they have a ton of Repeal. Vendilion Clique is very efficient against them. Generally speaking is not a hard match-up anyway.
I think our worst match-up as of now is maybe Grixis Delver
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I've been looking at several lists over the course of this weekend. I've playtested against a decent amount of the field including Burn, both mono Red and Naya, and I have to say this matchup is quite 50/50 pre-board. Should you mulligan aggressively to a hand that has a chance of comboing because I have been finding that when I keep counter heavy, burn heavy hands, I just end up losing. Does anyone have some more perspective on the matchup?
shackles is not dead against affinity, it's very very useful, and one of the few ways to deal with etched champion
You are correct. As an affinity player, Shackles can be very good. If they have a cranial plating with the man to instant-equip it; however, it does become a dead card.
But that's such a niche scenario you really can't expect it to happen regularly.
I myself am thinking of switching from affinity to U/R twin. I'm still on the fence; however. Your thoughts? >: x
shackles is not dead against affinity, it's very very useful, and one of the few ways to deal with etched champion
You are correct. As an affinity player, Shackles can be very good. If they have a cranial plating with the man to instant-equip it; however, it does become a dead card.
But that's such a niche scenario you really can't expect it to happen regularly.
I myself am thinking of switching from affinity to U/W twin. I'm still on the fence; however. Your thoughts? >: x
guys, 4 yes 4 people just started playing mono blue tron at my store, any help to deal with it. very annoying to play against, otherwise ill just play burn until they stop playing tron.
EDIT : I don't think grixis delver is a bad matchup, ive played it 6 times and only lost one round to them.
just side out the entire combo. also feels really good if/when they slaughter games you and name twin. reallllyyy good.
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guys, 4 yes 4 people just started playing mono blue tron at my store, any help to deal with it. very annoying to play against, otherwise ill just play burn until they stop playing tron.
EDIT : I don't think grixis delver is a bad matchup, ive played it 6 times and only lost one round to them.
just side out the entire combo. also feels really good if/when they slaughter games you and name twin. reallllyyy good.
As others have already pointed out, U Tron is a bad match-up. I don't think you can easily change that with some sideboard cards. But maybe you can start by running 4x Tectonic Edge maindeck and then you can try to find some space for more artifact hate in your sideboard and/or Shadow of Doubt.
Wait I'm confused. Grixis Delver is a bad matchup for Tron or Tron is a bad matchup for Grixis Delver?
guys, 4 yes 4 people just started playing mono blue tron at my store, any help to deal with it. very annoying to play against, otherwise ill just play burn until they stop playing tron.
EDIT : I don't think grixis delver is a bad matchup, ive played it 6 times and only lost one round to them.
just side out the entire combo. also feels really good if/when they slaughter games you and name twin. reallllyyy good.
As others have already pointed out, U Tron is a bad match-up. I don't think you can easily change that with some sideboard cards. But maybe you can start by running 4x Tectonic Edge maindeck and then you can try to find some space for more artifact hate in your sideboard and/or Shadow of Doubt.
Wait I'm confused. Grixis Delver is a bad matchup for Tron or Tron is a bad matchup for Grixis Delver?
The first guy was saying that he doesn't think Delver is a bad matchup for Twin (which it totally is. The stats back it up).
The second was saying that Twin is a bad matchup for U-Tron (which it totally is).
Grixis Delver and Mono U tron are becoming very popular in the los angeles area right now.
do you think relic of progenitus and mind control are good ways to deal with them?
would you bring relic in against mono blue tron?
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As others have already pointed out, U Tron is a bad match-up. I don't think you can easily change that with some sideboard cards. But maybe you can start by running 4x Tectonic Edge maindeck and then you can try to find some space for more artifact hate in your sideboard and/or Shadow of Doubt.
4 TecEdges in UR Twin? What? :/
Shadow of Doubt is good just for Tron variants, we don't need it at the same level we need the other traditional SB cards.
Anyway, Grixis Delver is advantaged against us, as well as UTron. They're two of the worst MUs at all, tied with Jund/Abzan. Then probably UWR and Scapeshift are hard as well, same goes for Burn.
Okay this is a noob question, but why is UR Twin unfavored vs Tron while Grixis Delver is? Doesn't both share the UR core? Snapcaster Mage, Remand, Lightning Bolt, Electrolyze, etc.
We are favored vs tron, moreso then grixis delver.
also most good grixis delver players don't play remand and play mana leaks which is way better in a fair deck.
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Currently building this deck, because my former go to modern deck (scapeshift) is poorly positioned in the meta right now. Wasn't sure whether to build UR or grixis so I just went with the cheaper version. I will definitely be looking through a lot of the primer for help.
I'm quite familiar with how the deck works and plays as having played against it many times , but I've never actually piloted it myself. Are there any things I should know about the deck as a pilot that I wouldn't know from just playing against it? I also wouldn't mind a general sideboard guide against the popular matchups
Currently building this deck, because my former go to modern deck (scapeshift) is poorly positioned in the meta right now. Wasn't sure whether to build UR or grixis so I just went with the cheaper version. I will definitely be looking through a lot of the primer for help.
I'm quite familiar with how the deck works and plays as having played against it many times , but I've never actually piloted it myself. Are there any things I should know about the deck as a pilot that I wouldn't know from just playing against it? I also wouldn't mind a general sideboard guide against the popular matchups
I would really recommend that you check out Paul Cheon's post on updating U/R twin from a few months ago for an example sideboard and how to SB in popular matches. If you have questions about specific cards, you should come back after studying that article a bit. There is more meat in that article than I think I could do it justice.
Link:http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/updating-ur-splinter-twin/
Can UR TWIN beat JUND deck? As a UR twin player, i find the deck being less well positioned in the actual metagame. It feel week against JUNK and more over against JUND. Burn is always very hard, RG tron becomes harder and harder in g2/g3 due tu rending volley and boil. So i'm really asking myself if the deck is still in a good position in this meta.
What do you think about that?
Ps Sorry for my bad english
thanks
UR Twin doesn't go on the Twin plan against Junk and Jund decks postboard because in most situations it is a 2-for-1 to go for the combo. You generally bring in more controlling cards and head to a higher curve because you want to take out the combo. Burn is always a 50/50 matchup no matter how you look at it, even postboard, but it generally gets smoother for us because we are able to take out things like Cryptic/Remand that are too slow for solid counters like Negate, Dispel, and Skites from the side. RG Tron is a fine matchup for two reasons: the low amount of colored sources they have access to and the low amount of interaction. We are able to drop lightning bolts, lavamancers, etc from this deck and head to a more combo centric deck with hard counters and ancient grudge to deal with pesky skites, torpor orb, etc.
Overall, I love the deck in the meta as majority of the matches are 50/50 and I don't want to switch because the meta game has to a more bolt oriented time. You just need to be mindful of what your opponent has in hand and how you can best interact/work around their plays. Don't go for the combo unless you are desperate/know they have nothing in hand. Play smart and test against these matchups because it is the only way to really push yourself to be a better player and master the deck.
Hello! Knew to UR here!
This weekend we're having a TCG player gold event // PPTQ modern at my local store.
I'm not sure if I should bring Twin or Affinity. Twin is my new deck I just finished this week so I'm very unfamiliar with the sideboarding techniques.
Additionally reading on these forums: it sounds that junk/abzan is a bad matchup, which causes me to pause.
Hello! Knew to UR here!
This weekend we're having a TCG player gold event // PPTQ modern at my local store.
I'm not sure if I should bring Twin or Affinity. Twin is my new deck I just finished this week so I'm very unfamiliar with the sideboarding techniques.
Additionally reading on these forums: it sounds that junk/abzan is a bad matchup, which causes me to pause.
Until you become very familiar with U/R twin, I would recommend choosing to stay with the deck you know best. U/R is extremely hard to master and may look easy at first glance, but it is the minor decisions that mean the most for setting up to win.
Yes, it is true that Junk is a bad matchup because they run maindeck IoK and Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decay, and Path to Exile while pressuring the board and this is hard for the Twin deck to deal with properly. After board, it becomes a better matchup because we have more answers to the attrition based style that this deck uses to punish us.
Hello! Knew to UR here!
This weekend we're having a TCG player gold event // PPTQ modern at my local store.
I'm not sure if I should bring Twin or Affinity. Twin is my new deck I just finished this week so I'm very unfamiliar with the sideboarding techniques.
Additionally reading on these forums: it sounds that junk/abzan is a bad matchup, which causes me to pause.
Until you become very familiar with U/R twin, I would recommend choosing to stay with the deck you know best. U/R is extremely hard to master and may look easy at first glance, but it is the minor decisions that mean the most for setting up to win.
Yes, it is true that Junk is a bad matchup because they run maindeck IoK and Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decay, and Path to Exile while pressuring the board and this is hard for the Twin deck to deal with properly. After board, it becomes a better matchup because we have more answers to the attrition based style that this deck uses to punish us.
Affinity is hit or miss. Have to start somewhere. I completely understand the advice of staying with what you are familiar with... but that's not how you improve ;P.
On a flip side: I'm no stranger to "minor decisions that mean the most for setting up to win". I play Esper Dragons in standard (before that UB control) and D&T in legacy.
Also: this weekend is probably the best time to test out twin. I suspect the competition will be really really loose (most people are going to the invitational in Columbus).
My main concern is how the junk matchup compares to playing affinity. Because overall its just... rough. Not unwinable. But very grindy.
Affinity is hit or miss. Have to start somewhere. I completely understand the advice of staying with what you are familiar with... but that's not how you improve ;P.
On a flip side: I'm no stranger to "minor decisions that mean the most for setting up to win". I play Esper Dragons in standard (before that UB control) and D&T in legacy.
Also: this weekend is probably the best time to test out twin. I suspect the competition will be really really loose (most people are going to the invitational in Columbus).
My main concern is how the junk matchup compares to playing affinity. Because overall its just... rough. Not unwinable. But very grindy.
I am a firm believer that any deck can win in Modern, but if your goal is to do well that you shouldn't switch decks. If you have little to no experience playing U/R twin, I wouldn't take it to a tournament and expect to do as well as you would with Affinity. If your goal is to take it for experience that is your own prerogative and I wish you the best of luck when it comes to that pursuit. To help you along the way: What is your question about Junk matchup and SB?
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favored but def not the best.
we don't really crush any decks, we're just pretty good against almost everything
bloom titan, infect, tron, collected elves are all feel hard to lose though.
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It was not delight, not wonder that arose among us, it was the peace of heaven. He who has thought most deeply loves what is most alive. - Friedrich Holderlin
1907 Constructed Rating on Magic Online.
You can cut Electrolyze and maybe half of the combo (2 Twins and 3 Exarchs/Pestermites). If you play Grim Lavamancer I'd cut that too.
They play like a control deck and we have threats that put them in a ugly spot: Keranos, God of Storms is a nice example. Then you could consider siding in Sower against their Wurmcoil Engine but I don't know if that's the way to go. Surely not bringing in Blood Moon because they have a ton of Repeal. Vendilion Clique is very efficient against them. Generally speaking is not a hard match-up anyway.
I think our worst match-up as of now is maybe Grixis Delver
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You are correct. As an affinity player, Shackles can be very good. If they have a cranial plating with the man to instant-equip it; however, it does become a dead card.
But that's such a niche scenario you really can't expect it to happen regularly.
I myself am thinking of switching from affinity to U/R twin. I'm still on the fence; however. Your thoughts? >: x
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Typo. My bad. Meant U/R.
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EDIT : I don't think grixis delver is a bad matchup, ive played it 6 times and only lost one round to them.
just side out the entire combo. also feels really good if/when they slaughter games you and name twin. reallllyyy good.
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The first guy was saying that he doesn't think Delver is a bad matchup for Twin (which it totally is. The stats back it up).
The second was saying that Twin is a bad matchup for U-Tron (which it totally is).
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
do you think relic of progenitus and mind control are good ways to deal with them?
would you bring relic in against mono blue tron?
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also most good grixis delver players don't play remand and play mana leaks which is way better in a fair deck.
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You are correct. I was in a hurry when I wrote that.
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
I'm quite familiar with how the deck works and plays as having played against it many times , but I've never actually piloted it myself. Are there any things I should know about the deck as a pilot that I wouldn't know from just playing against it? I also wouldn't mind a general sideboard guide against the popular matchups
I would really recommend that you check out Paul Cheon's post on updating U/R twin from a few months ago for an example sideboard and how to SB in popular matches. If you have questions about specific cards, you should come back after studying that article a bit. There is more meat in that article than I think I could do it justice.
Link:http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/updating-ur-splinter-twin/
UR Twin doesn't go on the Twin plan against Junk and Jund decks postboard because in most situations it is a 2-for-1 to go for the combo. You generally bring in more controlling cards and head to a higher curve because you want to take out the combo. Burn is always a 50/50 matchup no matter how you look at it, even postboard, but it generally gets smoother for us because we are able to take out things like Cryptic/Remand that are too slow for solid counters like Negate, Dispel, and Skites from the side. RG Tron is a fine matchup for two reasons: the low amount of colored sources they have access to and the low amount of interaction. We are able to drop lightning bolts, lavamancers, etc from this deck and head to a more combo centric deck with hard counters and ancient grudge to deal with pesky skites, torpor orb, etc.
Overall, I love the deck in the meta as majority of the matches are 50/50 and I don't want to switch because the meta game has to a more bolt oriented time. You just need to be mindful of what your opponent has in hand and how you can best interact/work around their plays. Don't go for the combo unless you are desperate/know they have nothing in hand. Play smart and test against these matchups because it is the only way to really push yourself to be a better player and master the deck.
This weekend we're having a TCG player gold event // PPTQ modern at my local store.
I'm not sure if I should bring Twin or Affinity. Twin is my new deck I just finished this week so I'm very unfamiliar with the sideboarding techniques.
Additionally reading on these forums: it sounds that junk/abzan is a bad matchup, which causes me to pause.
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Until you become very familiar with U/R twin, I would recommend choosing to stay with the deck you know best. U/R is extremely hard to master and may look easy at first glance, but it is the minor decisions that mean the most for setting up to win.
Yes, it is true that Junk is a bad matchup because they run maindeck IoK and Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decay, and Path to Exile while pressuring the board and this is hard for the Twin deck to deal with properly. After board, it becomes a better matchup because we have more answers to the attrition based style that this deck uses to punish us.
Affinity is hit or miss. Have to start somewhere. I completely understand the advice of staying with what you are familiar with... but that's not how you improve ;P.
On a flip side: I'm no stranger to "minor decisions that mean the most for setting up to win". I play Esper Dragons in standard (before that UB control) and D&T in legacy.
Also: this weekend is probably the best time to test out twin. I suspect the competition will be really really loose (most people are going to the invitational in Columbus).
My main concern is how the junk matchup compares to playing affinity. Because overall its just... rough. Not unwinable. But very grindy.
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I am a firm believer that any deck can win in Modern, but if your goal is to do well that you shouldn't switch decks. If you have little to no experience playing U/R twin, I wouldn't take it to a tournament and expect to do as well as you would with Affinity. If your goal is to take it for experience that is your own prerogative and I wish you the best of luck when it comes to that pursuit. To help you along the way: What is your question about Junk matchup and SB?