Yeah I agree it's not that great. I was running 2, then cut 1 for a Faithless Looting and now cut the other one for Thought Scour. Merchant Scroll had some use but overall was never really needed and got boarded out way too much. I did use it to tutor for Remand/Dispel 1 or 2 times. Not once did I tutor for a bounce spell. Given that I run 3 bounce spells in the board, tutoring is even less of an issue for me.
I may switch up a Thought Scour for a Peer Through Depths or a 2nd Faithless Looting. I'll test some games. But I agree Merchant Scroll can be switched out. It's a flex card and it's just not pulling it's weight. I tend to want specific cards so maybe 2 Faithless / 1 Peer or vice versa will work. Peer's inability to get an Electromancer is a real negative. However, with me playing 7 Mancers, it's not like finding one is that difficult. I hated Faithless Looting in previous storm decks, but the way Gifts Storm works, you can afford the -1 as you almost always have some useless cards in hand when you start the combo. Testing will tell.
Currently I am running a standard peer through depths version of gifts storm (aka nomerchant scroll). There is a lot of burn in my meta and there is a ton of eidolon of the great revel how do you guys beat it? Currently my sideboard tech for burn currently looks like 3 leyline of sanctity, 4 lightning bolt, and 3 echoing truth and I usually sub in like 5/6 of these cards depending on how I am feeling (sometimes no leyline only eidolon hate other times only leylines). I am just wondering what you guys do to fight this card which single handedly kills storm.
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Hi Everyone,
I've Built this deck and I really like, but i find extrely dificult to sideboard with it, I usually know what to bring in, but to board out I struggle.
In my meta there is tron, burn, zoo, merfolk, valakut, bant, grixis and UR control.
I have: 3x blood moon, 2x Wear//Tear, 2x Anger of the gods, 2x empty the warrens, 1x Echoing Truth, 2x Dispel and 3x Lightning Bolt. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Hi Everyone,
I've Built this deck and I really like, but i find extrely dificult to sideboard with it, I usually know what to bring in, but to board out I struggle.
In my meta there is tron, burn, zoo, merfolk, valakut, bant, grixis and UR control.
I have: 3x blood moon, 2x Wear//Tear, 2x Anger of the gods, 2x empty the warrens, 1x Echoing Truth, 2x Dispel and 3x Lightning Bolt. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Yeah, I have a board of 3x Echoing Truth, 3x Lightning Bolt, 1x Dispel, 3x Wear//Tear, 3x Leyline of Sanctity, 2x Negate (I think I should take out the Leyline). I have a lot of burn in my meta and I have no idea how to sideboard. Someone have any pointers for side boarding vs what deck.
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i saw that swan song dont get a place in the 75 of most lists and i dont know why... it gets instants, sorcerys and enchantments. really good agains eidolon, Rest in peace, leylines and some annoying ones like o-rings, detention spheres, nevermore and so on... and since we are a combo deck, we dont mind the 2\2.
Yeah, I think you are right. I think I will try swapping out some dispels for some swans. If they don't work for some match ups then I won't board them in, but if they do work then what do I know I just saved myself 6+ damage from eidolon all for a 5 turn or so clock.
Also shout out to all you guys, I was on this page when git probe was banned and everyone was packing up moving on to new decks. Now we are back and better than ever helping each other out.
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I've been scanning the thread for a while, I like storm and have since I started the game (one of my first FNM decks was mono-red swathstorm) and with modern becoming more and more of a thing locally, this seems like a deck I want to pick up - certainly cheaper than one that requires 4 goofy, 4 Lily, and 4 Tiago to work.
Here is the list I will be bringing to a mostly blind meta:
Leyline is still a card I'm not ready to sink $150 in for a playset since I'm only investing an extra $30 from what I have in my collection already. While I know a lot of people have cut Peer Through Depths, the combo with Desperate Ritual is just too good for me to pass up.
Any advice (especially on boarding) or suggestions on better choices are appreciated.
Top 16 - 2012 Indiana State Championships Currently Playing: GBStandard - Golgari Safari MidrangeBG RBWModern - Mardu PyromancerWBR RLegacy - Good Old Fashioned BurnR
I run the exact same 60 as you and agree Peer through Depths just adds the extra layer of insurance when you're going off or digging for that value warrens.
You'll notice, I completely forego bounce effects and usually heavily side out my gifts package and turn into a go wide empty the warrens deck.
The reasoning is because:
1) If opponent has RIP, spellbomb, relic in play, you already need to find your bounce spell and are on the backfoot.
2) If you opponent doesn't and you have the bounce spell, it's usually quite useless.
3) Multiple hate cards in play such as grafdigger's, relic, RIP, leyline make it almost impossible to find multiple answers to.
4) By not playing any graveyard strategies, you essentially blank out any hate opponents bring (and people usually mull till they draw hate in their opening).
5) Ceremonious Rejection is useful vs ratchet bomb and EE that come down AFTER a warrens (as well as being stellar vs tron/eldrazi/affinity). Shattering spree is useful vs them BEFORE a warrens.
Having said all that, I still believe the burn matchup is rough and currently have to bring
IN:
3x Pyroclasm
3x Blood Moon
3x Swan Song
1x Empty the Warrens
OUT:
4x Goblin Electromancer
3x Gifts Ungiven
2x Remand
1x Past in Flames
I run the exact same 60 as you and agree Peer through Depths just adds the extra layer of insurance when you're going off or digging for that value warrens.
You'll notice, I completely forego bounce effects and usually heavily side out my gifts package and turn into a go wide empty the warrens deck.
The reasoning is because:
1) If opponent has RIP, spellbomb, relic in play, you already need to find your bounce spell and are on the backfoot.
2) If you opponent doesn't and you have the bounce spell, it's usually quite useless.
3) Multiple hate cards in play such as grafdigger's, relic, RIP, leyline make it almost impossible to find multiple answers to.
4) By not playing any graveyard strategies, you essentially blank out any hate opponents bring (and people usually mull till they draw hate in their opening).
5) Ceremonious Rejection is useful vs ratchet bomb and EE that come down AFTER a warrens (as well as being stellar vs tron/eldrazi/affinity). Shattering spree is useful vs them BEFORE a warrens.
Having said all that, I still believe the burn matchup is rough and currently have to bring
IN:
3x Pyroclasm
3x Blood Moon
3x Swan Song
1x Empty the Warrens
OUT:
4x Goblin Electromancer
3x Gifts Ungiven
2x Remand
1x Past in Flames
Just curious, how does blood moon help out in burn (even if it is naya)? It just appears to me like a deck which mostly only needs red.
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G1: Discard into gurmag/tasigurs while pushing anything I played.
G2: Same as G1, didn't see a single sideboard card. Couldn't assemble a warrens package through discard and pressure despite boarding in an extra 2. My pyretic got stubborn denial'd (with ferocious).
Round 2: Jund Shadow (2-0)
G1: I mull to 6, leaving baral on top. T1 I get thoughtseized and I keep my winning hand as he punishes his own life total. T4 I go off and win through push. I wasn't dead for another 2 turns, not enough pressure.
G2: We both end up in top deck mode, he doesnt draw the threats, I assemble a warrens package for the win.
Round 3: Living End (0-2)
G1: I miscalculated by assuming I had an extra mana in hand while already having played a land. I was counting for a grapeshot PiF grapeshot lethal turn and it was just enough with the rituals in hand and gy.
G2: I gifts at end of his turn and he puts both PiF and ritual in gy, then he cascades and ditches to macabre aeries to smash out my gy whilst bringing back 5 creatures.
Round 4: BR Control (2-0)
G1: I grapeshot both pyromancers and combo off with a stacked gy, without baral/electro.
G2: I pyroclasm his pyro and tokens and he's stuck on swamp, blackcleave and tec edge for 5 consecutive turns (I'm sitting on 4 life the whole time).
My variant feels terrible vs grixis shadow and living end.
Maybe i'm missing it, but can someone explain why most people use Sleight of Hand instead of Faithless Looting? Seems like Looting gives you the chance to tailor your hand better, potentially net 4 cards total if you're going to go off with your graveyard, and is more easily castable off rituals.
I would assume the reason is that Faithless Looting is card disadvantage if you don't use the graveyard. It makes your hand better, but it puts you down on front-end resources when you're trying to build up to being able to use Past in Flames, and you can't recoup that lost advantage if your opponent is messing with your graveyard like they are likely to do in postboard games.
And while thought scour is good when you can take advantage of your graveyard, usually if you activate past in flames you win. Sleight of hand is great because you get to look at two cards and pick the better one, by giving you choice on what you get it becomes easier for you to go off rather than dump two into grave and hope for a combo piece.
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Peek is fine. It is not the best option in the world, I'd only consider a one of for it. It does not dig as deep as we want to to assemble the combo, however it's upside is that we know our opponents hand (which can help us prevent our mancereffects from dying). Overall though I feel it is not for the deck compared to merchant scroll which can tutor for a gifts ungiven or a main boarded 1 of echoing truth or compared to peer through depths which is dig 5 choose and instant or sorcery of choice ritual or gift peek is underwhelming at best and a waste of a draw at worst... I miss probe
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Yea unfortunately killing probe made storm a tad worse. Realistically I think probe was fine, Death's Shadow is stronger than ever, and infect is just gone. I think the correct play was just ban become immense at the time so storm could still have it's toys.
what would a list look like IF probe was LEGAL. I do not think I'd want to cut anything, maybe 4->3 Sleight of Hand 3->Peer through Depths +4 Probe. I'd be afraid of cutting stronger card draw for free card draw
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I may switch up a Thought Scour for a Peer Through Depths or a 2nd Faithless Looting. I'll test some games. But I agree Merchant Scroll can be switched out. It's a flex card and it's just not pulling it's weight. I tend to want specific cards so maybe 2 Faithless / 1 Peer or vice versa will work. Peer's inability to get an Electromancer is a real negative. However, with me playing 7 Mancers, it's not like finding one is that difficult. I hated Faithless Looting in previous storm decks, but the way Gifts Storm works, you can afford the -1 as you almost always have some useless cards in hand when you start the combo. Testing will tell.
Currently I am running a standard peer through depths version of gifts storm (aka nomerchant scroll). There is a lot of burn in my meta and there is a ton of eidolon of the great revel how do you guys beat it? Currently my sideboard tech for burn currently looks like 3 leyline of sanctity, 4 lightning bolt, and 3 echoing truth and I usually sub in like 5/6 of these cards depending on how I am feeling (sometimes no leyline only eidolon hate other times only leylines). I am just wondering what you guys do to fight this card which single handedly kills storm.
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UBRGrixis ShadowRBU
I've Built this deck and I really like, but i find extrely dificult to sideboard with it, I usually know what to bring in, but to board out I struggle.
In my meta there is tron, burn, zoo, merfolk, valakut, bant, grixis and UR control.
I have: 3x blood moon, 2x Wear//Tear, 2x Anger of the gods, 2x empty the warrens, 1x Echoing Truth, 2x Dispel and 3x Lightning Bolt. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Yeah, I have a board of 3x Echoing Truth, 3x Lightning Bolt, 1x Dispel, 3x Wear//Tear, 3x Leyline of Sanctity, 2x Negate (I think I should take out the Leyline). I have a lot of burn in my meta and I have no idea how to sideboard. Someone have any pointers for side boarding vs what deck.
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UBRGrixis ShadowRBU
Yeah, I think you are right. I think I will try swapping out some dispels for some swans. If they don't work for some match ups then I won't board them in, but if they do work then what do I know I just saved myself 6+ damage from eidolon all for a 5 turn or so clock.
In addition what do you guys think of 1 peer through depths and 2 merchant's scroll I'm think of trying this temporarily as in my local meta I wan't to have a main board copy of echoing truth but I also love the peer through depths interaction with mancer effects.
Also shout out to all you guys, I was on this page when git probe was banned and everyone was packing up moving on to new decks. Now we are back and better than ever helping each other out.
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Here is the list I will be bringing to a mostly blind meta:
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Spirebluff Canal
3 Steam Vents
3 Shivan Reef
3 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Mountain
Creatures (8)
4 Goblin Electromancer
4 Baral, Chief of Compliance
Sorcery (13)
4 Serum Visions
4 Sleight of Hand
2 Grapeshot
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Past in Flames
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Manamorphose
4 Pyretic Ritual
3 Remand
2 Peer Through Depths
4 Gifts Ungiven
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Dispel
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Crumble to Dust
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Shattering Spree
1 Merchant Scroll
Leyline is still a card I'm not ready to sink $150 in for a playset since I'm only investing an extra $30 from what I have in my collection already. While I know a lot of people have cut Peer Through Depths, the combo with Desperate Ritual is just too good for me to pass up.
Any advice (especially on boarding) or suggestions on better choices are appreciated.
Currently Playing:
GBStandard - Golgari Safari MidrangeBG
RBWModern - Mardu PyromancerWBR
RLegacy - Good Old Fashioned BurnR
Clan Contest 3 Mafia - Mafia Co-MVP
My SB is as follows:
You'll notice, I completely forego bounce effects and usually heavily side out my gifts package and turn into a go wide empty the warrens deck.
The reasoning is because:
1) If opponent has RIP, spellbomb, relic in play, you already need to find your bounce spell and are on the backfoot.
2) If you opponent doesn't and you have the bounce spell, it's usually quite useless.
3) Multiple hate cards in play such as grafdigger's, relic, RIP, leyline make it almost impossible to find multiple answers to.
4) By not playing any graveyard strategies, you essentially blank out any hate opponents bring (and people usually mull till they draw hate in their opening).
5) Ceremonious Rejection is useful vs ratchet bomb and EE that come down AFTER a warrens (as well as being stellar vs tron/eldrazi/affinity). Shattering spree is useful vs them BEFORE a warrens.
Having said all that, I still believe the burn matchup is rough and currently have to bring
IN:
3x Pyroclasm
3x Blood Moon
3x Swan Song
1x Empty the Warrens
OUT:
4x Goblin Electromancer
3x Gifts Ungiven
2x Remand
1x Past in Flames
Just curious, how does blood moon help out in burn (even if it is naya)? It just appears to me like a deck which mostly only needs red.
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That's approximately 12-16 cards. It's not the best but I believe it's better than what I'm boarding out
I just wanted to share my April results with this build.
http://deartiyopaeng.blogspot.com/2017/04/april-2017-ur-storm.html
thanks all!
By the way, I am interested in the Madcap + Emperion SB.
how did it do to anyone who tried it?
against what MUs do you guys bring it in?
thanks!
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Round 1: Grixis Shadow (0-2)
G1: Discard into gurmag/tasigurs while pushing anything I played.
G2: Same as G1, didn't see a single sideboard card. Couldn't assemble a warrens package through discard and pressure despite boarding in an extra 2. My pyretic got stubborn denial'd (with ferocious).
Round 2: Jund Shadow (2-0)
G1: I mull to 6, leaving baral on top. T1 I get thoughtseized and I keep my winning hand as he punishes his own life total. T4 I go off and win through push. I wasn't dead for another 2 turns, not enough pressure.
G2: We both end up in top deck mode, he doesnt draw the threats, I assemble a warrens package for the win.
Round 3: Living End (0-2)
G1: I miscalculated by assuming I had an extra mana in hand while already having played a land. I was counting for a grapeshot PiF grapeshot lethal turn and it was just enough with the rituals in hand and gy.
G2: I gifts at end of his turn and he puts both PiF and ritual in gy, then he cascades and ditches to macabre aeries to smash out my gy whilst bringing back 5 creatures.
Round 4: BR Control (2-0)
G1: I grapeshot both pyromancers and combo off with a stacked gy, without baral/electro.
G2: I pyroclasm his pyro and tokens and he's stuck on swamp, blackcleave and tec edge for 5 consecutive turns (I'm sitting on 4 life the whole time).
My variant feels terrible vs grixis shadow and living end.
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SB:
3 Blood Moon
3 Pyroclasm
3 Ceremonious Rejection
1 Shattering Spree
3 Swan Song
2 Empty the Warrens
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what would a list look like IF probe was LEGAL. I do not think I'd want to cut anything, maybe 4->3 Sleight of Hand 3->Peer through Depths +4 Probe. I'd be afraid of cutting stronger card draw for free card draw
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