Any changes that I should make? I can add another Spellskite and I also have 4 Kitchen Finks. Would it be good to side in Finks against Jund or Junk, or are they more for Burn?
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I bring in Wild Defiance quite often, even against Dredge and Valakut. It shuts off Darkblast and makes both Collective Brutality/Conflagrate much worse, while against Valakut it serves as an answer to all the different hate they pack, from Melira to Chalice to Sudden shock.
With Infect being so popular currently I think It's one of the most solid and diverse SB cards we have at our disposal. Beside Blessed Alliance it takes care of most of the specific Infect hate out there.
Edit: Before trying Take Down as a Bant Spirits/Lingering Souls hoser if your meta calls for it, I'd go with Corrosive Gale.
Some things im doing which aren't "normal" no dismembers mb. My idea is to be more aggressive and hope to dodge melira combos, they really are not prevalent at all in my meta.
Running a 2/2 split of rancor and distortion strike. All part of the more aggro strat.
Two mb spellskites. Heaps of burn and jund in my meta.
I dropped a become immense to fit in everything, i was seeing multiple copies in my hand at times and im not sure i want to see it that often.
SB gets a bit more spicy with carrion call for jund, fog since its a very aggro burn metta (happy to change that thinking of defense grid) pulse of meresa is better imo then finks. When i have played finks against burn they have simply pathed to exiled it and i spent 3 mana to gain 2 life and have no creature.
Peoples thoughts and opinions. Ill be attending a GP in a few months so i want to start getting the list ready for that.
TL;DR version:
- Count your graveyard to make it seem like you just drew Become Immense
- "Accidentally" reveal a blue spell to make your opponent blow his Fulminator Mage on Breeding Pool, which allows you to play Inkmoth Nexus safely
- Vines your opponent's Spellskite and hope that he doesn't know how the card works
I ended up winning two rounds with a BI and didn't see a double copy in hand through the night.
Round 1 i played the mirror and won 2/1 i think i had a bit more experience with the deck and knew how to play the mirror better.
Round 2 vs naya burn win 2/1 i won the first match when he tapped out and didn't deal with my creature also attacking i swung for lethal on my turn.
Game two was a blowout for him and the game was over quick.
Game 3 he played a goblin guide and had tapped out leaving a arid mesa open. I had 3 infect on him already and new there was a chance he had a path, went for the kill with a animated inkmoth and BI for the win.
Round 3 vs soul sisters win 2/0 not much to say other then a blighted agent in both games was a big problem for him. Win on turn 4 both games.
Round 4 vs bant eldrazi. Loss 1/2 this is the first time i have played it since the eye ban. Lost game 1 when he put out his big dudes and was swinging for a lot quickly. Game two i had a good hand and blew him out convincingly.
Game 3 i had him on 5 infect when he put out a displacer and was able to bounce another creature constantly to get scion tokens that he could sack to tap me out. If i had 1 more turn without scions i would of won with a inkmoth and BI
The deck felt good and the increased chance in seeing BI is almost certainly worth it.
Is Mutagenic Growth actually worth a card? Sure, it's free and feeds the yard for Become Immense, but the pump effect by itself is underwhelming and doesn't protect against Lightning Bolt, the most played spell of modern.
Does the speed make up for the low impact? Please let me know what you think.
I have definitely fallen in love with Blossoming Defense in infect. It is a four of in my deck for sure. What do you all think of it?
I played in a tournament yesterday with them in my deck and got 1st place.
Here was my matches: Round 1: (Opponent's deck: N/A)
I got the bye, wasn't too bad, got to play some EDH with friends while I wait.
Round 2: (Opponent's deck: Abzan Company)
Game 1: I wasn't too worried until my opponent played Melira, Sylvok Outcast with Kitchen Finks and Viscera Seer and then I scooped and sideboarded.
Game 2: My opponent tried to path my creature 3 times and failed each time because Blossoming Defense saved me and I won easily on turn 3.
Game 3: Same thing, I managed go to keep my stuff protected.
Round 3: (Opponent's deck: Jund)
Game 1: It was a bit slow but I managed to get there with Wild Defiance helping me on my Inkmoth Nexus.
Game 2: Jund just managed to out value me that match and have answers for my creatures.
Game 3: This game was mine because of turn 2 Spellskite, after that I managed for protects my Blighted Agent for the win.
Round 4: (Opponent's deck: Affinity)
Me and my opponent drew in for top 4 because we only had 15 people playing.
All in all, yesterday was and I managed to go winning the whole tournament. Infect is fun and preformed better than Merfolk which I usually play.
Fog is a really good card, I have used it before and is amazing. Carrion Call is interesting, I have never really considered it. Viridian Corrupter is in my mainboard because my area has a lot of artifact based deck. Dismember will definitely come in. What about Kitchen Finks in sideboard?
From playing Infect now, I have noticed that my match up against Burn is really rough. Anyone here knows how to sideboard against Burn or will definitely need in sideboard in Infect?
What is the best matchups now so and the worst mashups as well?
It seems a bit middling against Dredge for obvious reasons, Jeskai Nahiri has other ways to win, and Abzan Company seems like it's dwindling down significantly.
Also, it seems like we can race Dredge pretty handily if need be (though things get awkward with Darkblast).
My store is lousy with Burn and Jund so I backed off of playing Infect as a result. I'm wondering if I can improve my sideboard a bit by freeing up two slots and including something like Pulse of Murasa in the board on top of the Finks.
Grafdigger's Cage is still a good sideboard card regardless of the fact we will most likely outrace Dredge almost all the time. Against control decks that have Snapcaster Mage is enough of a reason to use that card from sideboard. Granted my meta where I am now has a lot of control and dredge decks but that being said, it is a reliable sideboard card.
So I've been having trouble against Eldrazi as Infect lately, I've lost the last two matches I've played against them. I quite commonly seem to have non-Blighted Agent creatures in play that simply can't punch through their dudes, and Skyspawner is consistently a thorn in my side. I also seem to have trouble against decks that MB Blood Moon, even if I fetch a Forest. In a test set of games against RW Lockdown, the early removal coupled with Blood Moon or LD helped keep me off mana to do things. It hasn't just been them though, Skred and Blue Moon gave me trouble as well. Hopefully someone can help me with my list:
Some decks that are common in my meta include Bant Eldrazi, Infect, Dredge, Grixis Delver, RB Aggro (some sort of beat down deck with cards like Swiftspear, Death's Shadow, Kiln Fiend, Mutagenic Growth, Thoughtseize, Inquisition - it's not a meta version of anything). Other decks that see some play include: Mono U Tron, UWx Control, Lantern, Ad Nauseam, Soul Sisters, Skred, RG Tron, Grixis Delver. My meta is largely devoid of Affinity, BGx, Burn, and Scapeshift, among popular decks.
I think I'm going to try this out since they provide a decent roadblock vs. aggro decks and probably would be effective defense in the Eldrazi matchup as well. Also, they probably can out in some serious work against Dredge as well.
What decks are running Chalice these days? I know it can seriously wreck our plans if unchecked, and Wild Defiance only works if we have a creature on board...
All I can think of is TitanShift, Blue Tron and Sun+Moon...
1) No one runs basic island.
2) Windswept Heath is perfectly fine if you have access to them. The deck optimally wants 9-10 green fetches, but using the 8 Khans green fetches as the bulk of them is good. Cheaper option if you're looking for that. Ditching Foothills is useless, you want to fill your GY for the delve w/Become Immense.
3) 4 Become Immense once you are running 8+ fetches.
The standard manabase is below (20 lands if Dryad Arbor main, 19 if in the SB)
10 green fetches
2 Pendelhaven
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Breeding Pool
1) No one runs basic island.
2) Windswept Heath is perfectly fine if you have access to them. The deck optimally wants 9-10 green fetches, but using the 8 Khans green fetches as the bulk of them is good. Cheaper option if you're looking for that. Ditching Foothills is useless, you want to fill your GY for the delve w/Become Immense.
3) 4 Become Immense once you are running 8+ fetches.
The standard manabase is below (20 lands if Dryad Arbor main, 19 if in the SB)
10 green fetches
2 Pendelhaven
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Breeding Pool
No, the standard manabase always have and always had at least 2 forest...
Most of the lists usually run 9 green fetches (rarely 10, only if dryad in sideboard), 2 breading pool, 2 forest, 4 inkmoth and dryad arbor (sometimes sideboard)
People who doesn't have access to a 9th fetch usually put a third breading pool to get to 20 lands which is the standard number
Look at the lists posted on mtggoldfish if you want to have a good idea of which cards people usually run in their decks.
The small changes in the mainboard and sideboard all depends on the meta where you're playing
So in your case I would go for a 2/2 split between the breading pool and the forest. You want forest vs blood moon and vs matchups like burn and zoo where you don't always want to chock yourself to preserve some life.
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2 Dismember
1 Spellskite
1 Viridian Corrupter
3 Nature's Claim
2 Spell Pierce
1 Dispel
2 Wild Defiance
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Twisted Image
Any changes that I should make? I can add another Spellskite and I also have 4 Kitchen Finks. Would it be good to side in Finks against Jund or Junk, or are they more for Burn?
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With Infect being so popular currently I think It's one of the most solid and diverse SB cards we have at our disposal. Beside Blessed Alliance it takes care of most of the specific Infect hate out there.
Edit: Before trying Take Down as a Bant Spirits/Lingering Souls hoser if your meta calls for it, I'd go with Corrosive Gale.
The last tournament i was in i faced. R1 burn R2 jund R3 bye R4 scapeshift R5 burn. Then i dropped.
My deck reflects such a meta. Knowing this what are peoples thoughts ?
3x Breeding Pool
1x Dryad Arbor
2x Forest
4x Inkmoth Nexus
2x Misty Rainforest
1x Pendelhaven
2x Verdant Catacombs
2x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills
Sorcery (5)
2x Distortion Strike
3x Gitaxian Probe
3x Become Immense
4x Blossoming Defense
4x Might of Old Krosa
4x Mutagenic Growth
4x Vines of Vastwood
Creature (14)
4x Blighted Agent
4x Glistener Elf
4x Noble Hierarch
2x Spellskite
2x Rancor
1x Carrion Call
1x Creeping Corrosion
2x Fog
1x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Nature's Claim
2x Pulse of Murasa
2x Spell Pierce
2x Twisted Image
1x Viridian Corrupter
1x Wild Defiance
Some things im doing which aren't "normal" no dismembers mb. My idea is to be more aggressive and hope to dodge melira combos, they really are not prevalent at all in my meta.
Running a 2/2 split of rancor and distortion strike. All part of the more aggro strat.
Two mb spellskites. Heaps of burn and jund in my meta.
I dropped a become immense to fit in everything, i was seeing multiple copies in my hand at times and im not sure i want to see it that often.
SB gets a bit more spicy with carrion call for jund, fog since its a very aggro burn metta (happy to change that thinking of defense grid) pulse of meresa is better imo then finks. When i have played finks against burn they have simply pathed to exiled it and i spent 3 mana to gain 2 life and have no creature.
Peoples thoughts and opinions. Ill be attending a GP in a few months so i want to start getting the list ready for that.
It is sometimes played in legacy infect sideboard and seems really good against removal decks. Any thoughts?
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Modern Grixis Shadow, Storm
Legacy: Grixis Delver, Sneak and Show
Duel Commander: Kess High Tide
Vintage Big blue(MTGO)
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TL;DR version:
- Count your graveyard to make it seem like you just drew Become Immense
- "Accidentally" reveal a blue spell to make your opponent blow his Fulminator Mage on Breeding Pool, which allows you to play Inkmoth Nexus safely
- Vines your opponent's Spellskite and hope that he doesn't know how the card works
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
I pulled out 2x rancor to throw back in become immense and Gitaxian Probe
I ended up winning two rounds with a BI and didn't see a double copy in hand through the night.
Round 1 i played the mirror and won 2/1 i think i had a bit more experience with the deck and knew how to play the mirror better.
Round 2 vs naya burn win 2/1 i won the first match when he tapped out and didn't deal with my creature also attacking i swung for lethal on my turn.
Game two was a blowout for him and the game was over quick.
Game 3 he played a goblin guide and had tapped out leaving a arid mesa open. I had 3 infect on him already and new there was a chance he had a path, went for the kill with a animated inkmoth and BI for the win.
Round 3 vs soul sisters win 2/0 not much to say other then a blighted agent in both games was a big problem for him. Win on turn 4 both games.
Round 4 vs bant eldrazi. Loss 1/2 this is the first time i have played it since the eye ban. Lost game 1 when he put out his big dudes and was swinging for a lot quickly. Game two i had a good hand and blew him out convincingly.
Game 3 i had him on 5 infect when he put out a displacer and was able to bounce another creature constantly to get scion tokens that he could sack to tap me out. If i had 1 more turn without scions i would of won with a inkmoth and BI
The deck felt good and the increased chance in seeing BI is almost certainly worth it.
Does the speed make up for the low impact? Please let me know what you think.
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Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
I played in a tournament yesterday with them in my deck and got 1st place.
Here was my matches:
Round 1: (Opponent's deck: N/A)
I got the bye, wasn't too bad, got to play some EDH with friends while I wait.
Round 2: (Opponent's deck: Abzan Company)
Game 1: I wasn't too worried until my opponent played Melira, Sylvok Outcast with Kitchen Finks and Viscera Seer and then I scooped and sideboarded.
Game 2: My opponent tried to path my creature 3 times and failed each time because Blossoming Defense saved me and I won easily on turn 3.
Game 3: Same thing, I managed go to keep my stuff protected.
Round 3: (Opponent's deck: Jund)
Game 1: It was a bit slow but I managed to get there with Wild Defiance helping me on my Inkmoth Nexus.
Game 2: Jund just managed to out value me that match and have answers for my creatures.
Game 3: This game was mine because of turn 2 Spellskite, after that I managed for protects my Blighted Agent for the win.
Round 4: (Opponent's deck: Affinity)
Me and my opponent drew in for top 4 because we only had 15 people playing.
All in all, yesterday was and I managed to go winning the whole tournament. Infect is fun and preformed better than Merfolk which I usually play.
Here is my deck that I played last night:
4 Blighted Agent
4 Glistener Elf
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Viridian Corrupter
Enchantments (1):
1 Wild Defiance
Instants (20):
1 Apostle's Blessing
3 Become Immense
4 Blossoming Defense
1 Groundswell
4 Might of Old Krosa
4 Mutagenic Growth
3 Vines of Vastwood
2 Distortion Strike
4 Gitaxian Probe
Lands (20):
3 Breeding Pool
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Pendelhaven
4 Windswept Heath
2 Dismember
2 Fog
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Nature's Claim
2 Spell Pierce
1 Spellskite
2 Twisted Image
1 Wild Defiance
I am still working on the sideboard. Any recommendation to make better?
What is the best matchups now so and the worst mashups as well?
It seems a bit middling against Dredge for obvious reasons, Jeskai Nahiri has other ways to win, and Abzan Company seems like it's dwindling down significantly.
Also, it seems like we can race Dredge pretty handily if need be (though things get awkward with Darkblast).
My store is lousy with Burn and Jund so I backed off of playing Infect as a result. I'm wondering if I can improve my sideboard a bit by freeing up two slots and including something like Pulse of Murasa in the board on top of the Finks.
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2 Forest
2 Breeding Pool
2 Pendelhaven
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Wooded Foothills
Creatures: 12
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Glistener Elf
4 Blighted Agent
4 Might of Old Krosa
4 Vines of Vastwood
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Mutagenic Growth
3 Become Immense
3 Blossoming Defense
2 Distortion Strike
2 Twisted Image
1 Apostle's Blessing
1 Dismember
1 Stonewood Invocation
2 Spellskite
1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
2 Dismember
1 Dispel
2 Spell Pierce
2 Nature's Claim
1 Viridian Corruptor
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Kitchen Finks
Some decks that are common in my meta include Bant Eldrazi, Infect, Dredge, Grixis Delver, RB Aggro (some sort of beat down deck with cards like Swiftspear, Death's Shadow, Kiln Fiend, Mutagenic Growth, Thoughtseize, Inquisition - it's not a meta version of anything). Other decks that see some play include: Mono U Tron, UWx Control, Lantern, Ad Nauseam, Soul Sisters, Skred, RG Tron, Grixis Delver. My meta is largely devoid of Affinity, BGx, Burn, and Scapeshift, among popular decks.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
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I think I'm going to try this out since they provide a decent roadblock vs. aggro decks and probably would be effective defense in the Eldrazi matchup as well. Also, they probably can out in some serious work against Dredge as well.
Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
All I can think of is TitanShift, Blue Tron and Sun+Moon...
2) Windswept Heath is perfectly fine if you have access to them. The deck optimally wants 9-10 green fetches, but using the 8 Khans green fetches as the bulk of them is good. Cheaper option if you're looking for that. Ditching Foothills is useless, you want to fill your GY for the delve w/Become Immense.
3) 4 Become Immense once you are running 8+ fetches.
The standard manabase is below (20 lands if Dryad Arbor main, 19 if in the SB)
10 green fetches
2 Pendelhaven
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Breeding Pool
No, the standard manabase always have and always had at least 2 forest...
Most of the lists usually run 9 green fetches (rarely 10, only if dryad in sideboard), 2 breading pool, 2 forest, 4 inkmoth and dryad arbor (sometimes sideboard)
People who doesn't have access to a 9th fetch usually put a third breading pool to get to 20 lands which is the standard number
Look at the lists posted on mtggoldfish if you want to have a good idea of which cards people usually run in their decks.
The small changes in the mainboard and sideboard all depends on the meta where you're playing
So in your case I would go for a 2/2 split between the breading pool and the forest. You want forest vs blood moon and vs matchups like burn and zoo where you don't always want to chock yourself to preserve some life.