This is the shell I have made so far I want to test it and see how it does, it doesn't seem like it'd be horrible, but might be underwhelming.
Match-up Report 1
Jace-Time Warp-Mine deck
Game 1: Pain Seer and a Sword of Fire and Ice was too much
Hidden strings effectively countered his plan to live one more turn by tapping Pain seer and countering thoughtseize.
Game 2: Opened 2 Thoughtseize, 2 Inquisition of Kozilek, 1 Pain Seer, 1 Watery grave, and 1 Swamp
the amount of disruption combined with Card Advantage generated was too much for him he died to a Phyrexian Crusader equiped with a Sword of War and Peace.
I'm not sure about AEther Vials or mainboard Discard. Snapcaster on the other hand actually seems like a nice addition, although he can only Snap back non-Cipher spells (Cipher is exiled).
Mutagenic Growth can't be cast normally, which is kind of a bummer, but free spells are excellent with Heroic. Paying 2 life to stop a Lightning Bolt/make them sac a dude when you tap out for Agent of the Fates is good value. It doesn't save Tormented Hero unfortunately.
I'm not sure about AEther Vials or mainboard Discard. Snapcaster on the other hand actually seems like a nice addition, although he can only Snap back non-Cipher spells (Cipher is exiled).
Mutagenic Growth can't be cast normally, which is kind of a bummer, but free spells are excellent with Heroic. Paying 2 life to stop a Lightning Bolt/make them sac a dude when you tap out for Agent of the Fates is good value. It doesn't save Tormented Hero unfortunately.
Yeah after playing with vial I don't really like it in this deck so lets play 4 mutagenic growth instead, as for thoughtseize, and inquisition I have won many games off just being able to make them play the game I want them to play I don't think I want to take out mainboard discard just yet.
Is Invisible Stalker a good choice for cypher target? I've also thought that Trait Doctoring might do real work in the Modern card base.
Stalker seems good, but I'm not sure where I'd want him as I feel we would need to cut some of our 3 drops in order to play him. Trait doctoring seems like it would do work against Zoo.
Why Pain Seer over Dark Confidant, if you have access to him?
I was thinking the same thing, but in this deck you can get multiple activations of Pain Seer in the same turn, sometimes the turn he comes into play. Dark Confidant isn't strictly better than Pain Seer, but I thought the same thing as you and I don't think its 100% one way or the other, until someone does a lot of testing.
Why Pain Seer over Dark Confidant, if you have access to him?
This deck is based off of Ken Yukihiro's standard deck. I chose Seer over Bob because Seer has a better body and in this deck can be activated multiple times a turn, Bob's smaller body means we cant save him with a mutagenic growth vs bolt or anger of the gods, and Bob is a good deal worse than Seer vs Zoo Im going to try to do more testing today and post results.
4 Tormented Hero
3 Agent of the Fates
2 Nivmagus Elemental
4 Xathrid Necromancer
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 mutagenic growth
2 Thoughtseize
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Triton Tactics
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Hidden Strings
4 Mizzium Skin
4 Darkslick Shores
2 Marsh Flats
2 Misty Rainforest
3 island
2 mutavault
3 swamp
Sideboard
This is the shell I have made so far I want to test it and see how it does, it doesn't seem like it'd be horrible, but might be underwhelming.
Match-up Report 1
Jace-Time Warp-Mine deck
Game 1: Pain Seer and a Sword of Fire and Ice was too much
Hidden strings effectively countered his plan to live one more turn by tapping Pain seer and countering thoughtseize.
Game 2: Opened 2 Thoughtseize, 2 Inquisition of Kozilek, 1 Pain Seer, 1 Watery grave, and 1 Swamp
the amount of disruption combined with Card Advantage generated was too much for him he died to a Phyrexian Crusader equiped with a Sword of War and Peace.
2-0
Standard
UB UB Midrange UB
Modern
GRWUBTribal Flames ZooGRWUB
RUGTemur DelverRUG
Legacy
UW Stoneblade UW
I'd change the deck to look something like this:
4 Tormented Hero
2 Nivmagus Elemental
4 Pain Seer
2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Agent of the Fates
4 Xathrid Necromancer
Spells (21)
4 Mutagenic Growth
2 Distortion Strike
4 Mizzium Skin
2 Springleaf Drum
4 Triton Tactics
4 Hidden Strings
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Marsh Flats
4 Watery Grave
3 Island
4 Swamp
2 Doom Blade
2 Geth's Verdict
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spellskite
1 Sword of War and Peace
4 Thoughtseize
Mutagenic Growth can't be cast normally, which is kind of a bummer, but free spells are excellent with Heroic. Paying 2 life to stop a Lightning Bolt/make them sac a dude when you tap out for Agent of the Fates is good value. It doesn't save Tormented Hero unfortunately.
Yeah after playing with vial I don't really like it in this deck so lets play 4 mutagenic growth instead, as for thoughtseize, and inquisition I have won many games off just being able to make them play the game I want them to play I don't think I want to take out mainboard discard just yet.
Standard
UB UB Midrange UB
Modern
GRWUBTribal Flames ZooGRWUB
RUGTemur DelverRUG
Legacy
UW Stoneblade UW
Stalker seems good, but I'm not sure where I'd want him as I feel we would need to cut some of our 3 drops in order to play him. Trait doctoring seems like it would do work against Zoo.
Standard
UB UB Midrange UB
Modern
GRWUBTribal Flames ZooGRWUB
RUGTemur DelverRUG
Legacy
UW Stoneblade UW
I was thinking the same thing, but in this deck you can get multiple activations of Pain Seer in the same turn, sometimes the turn he comes into play. Dark Confidant isn't strictly better than Pain Seer, but I thought the same thing as you and I don't think its 100% one way or the other, until someone does a lot of testing.
This deck is based off of Ken Yukihiro's standard deck. I chose Seer over Bob because Seer has a better body and in this deck can be activated multiple times a turn, Bob's smaller body means we cant save him with a mutagenic growth vs bolt or anger of the gods, and Bob is a good deal worse than Seer vs Zoo Im going to try to do more testing today and post results.
Standard
UB UB Midrange UB
Modern
GRWUBTribal Flames ZooGRWUB
RUGTemur DelverRUG
Legacy
UW Stoneblade UW
Scepter seems a little clunky to me, but I might try it a couple games and see if I like it.
Standard
UB UB Midrange UB
Modern
GRWUBTribal Flames ZooGRWUB
RUGTemur DelverRUG
Legacy
UW Stoneblade UW
Standard
UB UB Midrange UB
Modern
GRWUBTribal Flames ZooGRWUB
RUGTemur DelverRUG
Legacy
UW Stoneblade UW