Red Snow Devotion

  • #1
    Origin Story:
    A couple of nights ago I started working on a red devotion deck to get some oomph out of Fanatic of Mogis, and came up with a deck that was really fun. It was so fun that my initial name for the deck was "Woo Hoo!", but after looking at the list and thinking about what the deck does I realized that I had inadvertently made a Mono-Red version of Death & Taxes (a deck I have played in modern for a couple years). After a week or so of testing I began to gravitate towards a snow build due to the improved creature removal that Skred gave me, so it moved slightly away from that D&T soul into something else.

    Mission:
    RSD is first and foremost a deck created to maximize devotion in order to do big things with Fanatic of Mogis and anything else that Theros might send us, so rule #1 is the more permanents and R in the cost the better. If there is only one in the cost, or none for that matter, then it better be doing something no other card can and that is needed in the deck. RSD can be a straight beatdown deck at times, but it is not aggro. It has control elements in order to protect your permanents, but it is not really aimed at controlling your opponent. There are taxing elements, but the cards themselves are quite playable even if the tax never comes up. The name of the game is get out red permanents and keep them out.

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    Non-Permanent Spells 8
    4 Skred
    4 Magma Jet

    Non-Red Spells 4
    4 Aether Vial

    Critters 17
    2 Grim Lavamancer
    4 Ash Zealot
    3 Blood Knight
    2 Aether Membrane
    4 Boggart Ram-Gang
    4 Fanatic of Mogis

    Non-Critter Permanents 8
    2 Chandra, Pyromaster
    2 Legion's Initiative
    2 Blood Moon

    Land 23
    12 Snow-Covered Mountain
    1 Snow-Covered Plains
    2 Cavern of Souls
    4 Arid Mesa
    2 Sacred Foundry
    2 Tectonic Edge





    The Play:
    As I mentioned before you can be the beatdown, or suffice with tenderizing your opponent for a bigger play later. Of course the cherry play is dropping Fanatic when you are truly devoted to blood you want to bathe your enemies in. The deck avoids counters handily, punishes flashback and W/ spells, and can easily side in a Blood Moon if need be. It sits comfortably at 4 lands so sacking an Edge is no worry either. I think the biggest issue that jumps out at me right now are sweepers, but it is early days for the deck.

    The Curve:
    Even though the deck is not aggro it still wants to curve out well. As it stands the curve for RSD looks like:
    1:**********
    2:*************
    3:********
    4:******

    The curve for the Non-Snow build:
    1:********
    2:***************
    3:*********
    4:******

    The Cards:
    I initially had Purphoros in the MD, but it started to feel like a win-more in the deck, but I am not totally ready to dump the deity yet so it is in the SB. Moving it to the SB allowed me to lower the curve a skosh by adding a couple of Legion's Initiative for repeat offending. If had more Fulminator Mage on MTGO I would probably run 2-3, but it is just too expensive for me to seriously think about it as an option.

    Why white? The main reason I wanted white from the start was flicker effects, but I really do not want to splash deep at all outside of red.

    Missed it by that much:
    I looked at all cards less than 5 cmc that had at least two red mana symbols in the cost, so there were a lot that I looked at and did not like for the deck, but there were a few that I liked but not enough to bump another card.

    Burning-Tree Emissary: I thought about it, but the bot I was buying from did not have them and found I liked what I had for my two-drops as is. BTE might be worth trying, but it feels more aggro to me and I think I would rather my creatures to do more than race.

    Ashenmoor Gouger: This would likely replace Ram-Gang, but I love the fear that BRG puts in opponents attacking on the ground. Gouger is more resilient for sure, but I think I can win with quantity even if I have losses. My paper deck uses this card, but mostly because I have to pick up some BRG from my FLGS.

    Skred: I love Skred, and in the initial B&T version I was not really comfortable running more than twelve spells that do not contribute to devotion, and Bolt won by way of versatility, while Magma Jet won due to Scry being great with Chandra. After testing I was having trouble with things like big metal wurms, so I made a snow build for the extra punch. So far it is an improvement, I do miss being able to go for the head to bring home a game. The more I test it the more I love it, even without Reckoner.

    Boros Reckoner: I don't want to buy them on MTGO. I do however own them in paper and have added them to that deck. Testing has been very limited, but it looks strong.

    Wild Cantor: Not an imposing card on the battlefield, but it has a R and it can accelerate in a pinch while still being a one-drop. I think I would only add this if I dropped a couple of four drops.

    Blood Moon (main deck): This for me is a meta call. A few months back I was testing and tuning a Moon deck, and found that it was not having enough of an impact on my opponent's game far too often. Red is not an uncommon color in the meta, and most decks have some way to work around it. There are a few decks that might really hurt from a Blood Moon, so it is still in the SB, and if the meta changes then I will happily move it.
    Update: My current testing is running into a lot of decks that are really hurt by an early Blood Moon, so I added it to the MD of RSD and it has been really devastating. I have yet to loose a game in which I land a turn 3 Blood Moon.

    EDIT 11/05/2013: Added Grim Lavamancer and got rid of Seismic Assault.
    Last edited by DrWorm: 11/5/2013 3:38:47 AM
    GaJo
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    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

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  • #2
    The idea sounds very interesting, your list seems already consistent and fun to play, with a lot of "taxes" for the opponent while our creatures beat him.
    Also the devotion-tech with Fanatic can be the right finisher at the right time.
    I think it worths more than a try, I want to test your idea in a future FNM.
    My only suggestion at the moment is for the deck name: I'd like "Red & Taxes", that sounds similar to "Death & Taxes" but also include our devotion to red.

    EDIT: actually I can't understand the use of Skred to be honest...
    Last edited by Cypher2281: 10/14/2013 9:31:45 AM
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  • #3
    Am i missing something or are the white splash solely for disenchant? Which, in my opinion, should be Wear // Tear

    EDIT: Oh, now i saw the Stonecloaker just below -_- nvm
  • #4
    Quote from Cypher2281

    EDIT: actually I can't understand the use of Skred to be honest...
    Well, the basic idea is that in a lot of decks that use red if you are running it almost exclusively there is little reason not to run Snow-Covered Mountains and include Skred as huge removal. Compound this with the printing of Boros Reckoner and you have massive burn to the face as well, but I do not have the freedom to run as many non-permanents as most red decks can, so I have to maximize those spots with versatility. I also do not want to invest in Reckoner online.

    Quote from Rook1e
    Am i missing something or are the white splash solely for disenchant? Which, in my opinion, should be Wear // Tear

    EDIT: Oh, now i saw the Stonecloaker just below -_- nvm
    Yea. To be honest it is sort of an experiment. If Stonecloaker does not end up earning it's keep then I will likely drop white entirely and run Shattering Spree instead of Disenchant and a couple Ratchet Bomb (or Engineered Explosives if I decide to finally buy them) unless I start really seeing Enchantments I need to deal with efficiently.
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    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

    ؟ is the "Irony Mark", but since no one seems to be able to use the term "irony" correctly, I hereby dub it the "Sarcasm Mark."
  • #5
    Man it's decks like these that make me wish I invested more into red and had all those staples to just build. It looks really good.

    I personally prefer BRG over Ashenmoor Gouger simply because of the haste and since it's such a horrible thing to block. Sure a Goyf can take it down, but not without bringing itself down by about half its potential.

    Have you considered Ghostway as a possible "Oops you lose" with Purphoros or Fanatic of Mogis?
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  • #6
    Quote from Sesordereht
    Man it's decks like these that make me wish I invested more into red and had all those staples to just build. It looks really good.
    Yea, I was going off of stuff I had too, and then started filling in holes once things started to pan out. It is not really that expensive of a build though, at least I don't think it is...not on MTGO anyway. Well, I suppose Chandra is, and having that virtual CA has pulled me out of harms way a couple of times.

    Have you considered Ghostway as a possible "Oops you lose" with Purphoros or Fanatic of Mogis?
    I had not thought of it, though I think that Legion's Initiative might be a better bet as it serves three roles (R permanent, pump, flicker). It might be a little on the cute side, but might be worth a couple slots to try, and I am pretty sure I have them.
    GaJo
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    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

    ؟ is the "Irony Mark", but since no one seems to be able to use the term "irony" correctly, I hereby dub it the "Sarcasm Mark."
  • #7
    Hey I was browsing and saw your thread. I've always wanted to see a Death and Taxes Deck using Red, so I borrowed a couple of the ideas from your thread and mixed it with my current D&T build. If anyone's interested in using this as a jumping off point for R/W D&T feel free.



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    4 AEther Vial
    4 Path to Exile
    4 Boros Charm
    2 Legion's Initiative
    2 Mask of Memory

    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Flickerwisp
    3 Mindsparker
    4 Leonin Arbiter
    3 Blade Splicer
    3 Kor Skyfisher
    2 Fiend Hunter
    2 Kitchen Finks

    4 Arid Mesa
    1 Plains
    4 Ghost Quarter
    4 Sacred Foundry
    3 Mountain
    4 Rugged Prairie





    From my initial testing of Legion's Initiative it seems to really thrive in a deck that's already running a lot of ETB effects so cards like Blade Splicer et al. really work well since it not only protects your deck from sweepers but also allows you to reuse your entire board's ETB triggers. (I got to do some sweet exile tricks by stacking Flicker and Fiend Hunter trigger's after using Legion's Initiative Boros Charm also functions really well as both sweep protection and reach when you need it.

    I realize that this isn't really the same deck as the one you've got in your OP but when you mentioned Legion's Initiative I wanted to give it a try. Feel free to critique any of the card choices :p
    Reality exiled me, but I came back riding a Misthollow Griffin.

  • #8
    This is great!! I actually brewed myself up a R Devotion deck, I call it RedDevotionWins, get it ? Wink Saw this posted close to my deck so figured I'd pop in and say Hi.

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    Turn 4 burning-Tree Emissary into Fanatic of Mogis is awesome!
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  • #9
    Quote from DrWorm
    A couple of nights ago I started working on a red devotion deck to get some oomph out of Fanatic of Mogis, and came up with a deck that was really fun. It was so fun that my initial name for the deck was "Woo Hoo!", but after looking at the list and thinking about what the deck does I realized that I had inadvertently made a Mono-Red version of Death & Taxes (a deck I have played in modern for a couple years).

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    Non-Permanent Spells
    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Magma Jet

    Non-Red Spells
    4 Aether Vial

    Critters
    4 Ash Zealot
    3 Blood Knight
    2 Vexing Shusher
    4 Mindsparker
    1 Fulminator Mage
    4 Boggart Ram-Gang
    4 Fanatic of Mogis
    2 Purphoros, God of the Forge

    Non-Critter Permanents
    2 Chandra, Pyromaster

    Land:
    10 Mountain
    2 Cavern of Souls
    4 Arid Mesa
    2 Sacred Foundry
    3 Tectonic Edge
    1 Teetering Peaks


    You could call it Red Aggro I suppose, but the lack of a truly aggressive curve in exchange for lots of RR in the casting costs makes it really play differently. You can be the beat-down, or suffice with tenderizing your opponent for a bigger play later. Of course the cherry play is dropping Fanatic when you are truly devoted to blood you want to bathe your enemies in. The deck avoids counters handily, punishes flashback and W/ spells, and can easily side in a Blood Moon if need be. It sits comfortably at 4 lands so sacking an Edge is no worry either.

    Even though the deck is not aggro it still wants to curve out well. As it stands the curve looks like:

    1:********
    2:*************
    3:*********
    4:********


    I have a feeling that purphoros might be win-more in the deck, but I am not totally ready to dump the deity yet. If I did I might try out Giant Solifuge in it's place, or I might lower the curve a skosh by adding a couple of one-drops. If had more Fulminator Mage on MTGO I would probably run 2-3, but it is just too expensive for me to seriously think about it as an option.

    Why white? I wanted enchantment removal to begin with (though perhaps it is not really necessary), but really I just wanted to try out bouncing Fanatic in some games. I could replace Prophuros with Restoration Angel, but I hate the fact that it would be a card that I would hold until I played a Fanatic. It was also suggested to me to look at Boros Charm, but I am not sure that I would run it for anything other than the Indestructibility aspect.

    I thought about Burning-Tree Emissary, but the bot I was buying from did not have them and found I liked what I had for my two-drops as is. BTE might be worth trying, but it feels more aggro to me and I think I would rather my creatures to do more than race.

    I looked at all cards less than 5 cmc that had at least two red mana symbols in the cost, so there were a lot that I looked at and did not like for the deck, but there were a few that I liked but not enough to bump another card.

    Ashenmoor Gouger: This would likely replace Ram-Gang, but I love the fear that BRG puts in opponents attacking on the ground. Gouger is more resilient for sure, but I think I can win with quantity even if I have losses.

    Skred: I love Skred, but I am really not comfortable running more than twelve spells that do not contribute to devotion, and Bolt wins by way of versatility, while Magma Jet wins due to Scry being great with Chandra. I think if I had any Boros Reckoner on MTGO I might give Skred a shot in the deck, but I don't want to buy them.

    Wild Cantor: Not an imposing card on the battlefield, but it has a R and it can accelerate in a pinch while still being a one-drop. I think I would only add this if I dropped a couple of four drops.

    Those are just to two I have been asked about already, but I am willing to consider anything I want to buy or own if a good argument can be made.


    Why are you playing Disenchant? It is strictly worse than Wear/Tear and Erase.

    Ehrmagersh, a new deck is doing well. Breakz out de banhammerz!


    New World Order is a limit on the complexity of commons. It has nothing to do with power-level.

    Modern is not less diverse than Legacy. It has more aggro and ramp, the same amount of combo and midrange, and less control and tempo. It has almost has many viable decks. People who claim that Modern isn't diverse without even playing the format are just as bad as the people who say that Legacy is a turn 1 kill format.

    Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.

    Quote from Valanarch
    Has anyone considered Eyeblight's Ending as a 1 or 2 of in the deck? Just curious because it boosts Goyf another point and it's pretty rare that an Elf is the creature you need to deal with in Modern.


    The problem is that it isn't as good as the other options for 3 mana removal (Maelstrom Pulse, Dismember, Hero's Downfall, and Putrefy). And Putrefy isn't even played.


    I swear you're omnipresent sometimes Valanarch...

  • #10
    Quote from Eisenkrieger
    Hey I was browsing and saw your thread. I've always wanted to see a Death and Taxes Deck using Red, so I borrowed a couple of the ideas from your thread and mixed it with my current D&T build. If anyone's interested in using this as a jumping off point for R/W D&T feel free.



    DrWorm's DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    4 AEther Vial
    4 Path to Exile
    4 Boros Charm
    2 Legion's Initiative
    2 Mask of Memory

    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Flickerwisp
    3 Mindsparker
    4 Leonin Arbiter
    3 Blade Splicer
    3 Kor Skyfisher
    2 Fiend Hunter
    2 Kitchen Finks

    4 Arid Mesa
    1 Plains
    4 Ghost Quarter
    4 Sacred Foundry
    3 Mountain
    4 Rugged Prairie





    From my initial testing of Legion's Initiative it seems to really thrive in a deck that's already running a lot of ETB effects so cards like Blade Splicer et al. really work well since it not only protects your deck from sweepers but also allows you to reuse your entire board's ETB triggers. (I got to do some sweet exile tricks by stacking Flicker and Fiend Hunter trigger's after using Legion's Initiative Boros Charm also functions really well as both sweep protection and reach when you need it.

    I realize that this isn't really the same deck as the one you've got in your OP but when you mentioned Legion's Initiative I wanted to give it a try. Feel free to critique any of the card choices :p
    I certainly value your experience with Legion's Initiative, but I am not sure that your deck is exactly what I am going for here. You are playing a RW version of D&T and using some of the cards directly from that deck, and frankly there are some synergy issues there too. The deck I am trying to evolve here is a red devotion deck that just happens to have the same basic structure as a D&T deck, but uses different cards. I like D&T, I have been playing it for a long time, but dipping too much into that deck results in some forced interactions that I don't like.

    Not to mention, I want to see LOTS of R in play, so my little splash of white is purely for utility.

    You should bring your build over to the D&T thread, and we can talk more about your deck there.

    Quote from Conburnmadman
    This is great!! I actually brewed myself up a R Devotion deck, I call it RedDevotionWins, get it ? Wink Saw this posted close to my deck so figured I'd pop in and say Hi.

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    Turn 4 burning-Tree Emissary into Fanatic of Mogis is awesome!
    Glad to see I am not the only one who was inspired by fanatic. Your build is much more aggro than mine, I intentionally left out Goblin Guide for example. I want an alpha Fanatic with as many red permanents still in play as I can get- and in order to do that I need some control. I feel like purely aggro throws too much away to really hit hard with devotion. It is also just not my style.

    Quote from Valanarch
    Why are you playing Disenchant? It is strictly worse than Wear/Tear and Erase.
    Well, the SB you see is simply an autopilot SB that I tend to start with when building the deck. I wanted to try Stonecloaker out in a few games so I stuck it in the SB, and since I was using a bit of white I just tossed in Disenchant as utility.

    It sounds like there is some interest in the deck, so I think I will beef up the first post with a little more information about what the deck parts do and why. If more interest comes along I can even make it into a primer, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I have to go finish WWZ, but I will do some updating in the next couple of hours with changes to the deck and SB.
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    EDH: Earl, Ghaiji Aggro, Snow Patrol, Shirei, Eeshatron, Momir Big, What's Yours is Mine, Punisher
    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

    ؟ is the "Irony Mark", but since no one seems to be able to use the term "irony" correctly, I hereby dub it the "Sarcasm Mark."
  • #11
    Why isn't Blood Moon maindeck? It seems like it crushes most decks in the format. It would be really good with Simian Spirit guide to get it out on turn 2, which might not be a bad inclusion anyways so you could get a turn 3 Chandra and other stuff like that.

    Ehrmagersh, a new deck is doing well. Breakz out de banhammerz!


    New World Order is a limit on the complexity of commons. It has nothing to do with power-level.

    Modern is not less diverse than Legacy. It has more aggro and ramp, the same amount of combo and midrange, and less control and tempo. It has almost has many viable decks. People who claim that Modern isn't diverse without even playing the format are just as bad as the people who say that Legacy is a turn 1 kill format.

    Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.

    Quote from Valanarch
    Has anyone considered Eyeblight's Ending as a 1 or 2 of in the deck? Just curious because it boosts Goyf another point and it's pretty rare that an Elf is the creature you need to deal with in Modern.


    The problem is that it isn't as good as the other options for 3 mana removal (Maelstrom Pulse, Dismember, Hero's Downfall, and Putrefy). And Putrefy isn't even played.


    I swear you're omnipresent sometimes Valanarch...

  • #12
    Seal of Fire: 1CMC drop, high versatility, give 1 devotion.
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    LEGACY -> X Manaless Dredge
  • #13
    Quote from Valanarch
    Why isn't Blood Moon maindeck? It seems like it crushes most decks in the format. It would be really good with Simian Spirit guide to get it out on turn 2, which might not be a bad inclusion anyways so you could get a turn 3 Chandra and other stuff like that.
    I updated the OP and added the Blood Moon answer to it since I think it is a reasonable question to ask.

    SSG is great, but it plays almost always like an instant so it would have to take the place of one of the instants in order to keep the balance right, and I don't see those as easily dropped. If it took the place of a permanent it would be taking out something that would provide better devotion even if SSG was hard-cast as a creature. I think I would rather run Wild Cantor if I was going for a fast four-drop, but I am not convinced that is a rout I need to take. This deck clogs the board with troublesome creatures pretty quickly as it is.
    Quote from Cypher2281
    Seal of Fire: 1CMC drop, high versatility, give 1 devotion.

    Not a terrible suggestion at all. Not sure where I would put it, but for now it is high on the "to be tested" list.
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    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

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  • #14
    What do you think of including figure of destiny and Nykthos in this deck? Is it too cute? Because if it works it seems like it would be quite insane.
  • #15
    Quote from Allegories
    What do you think of including figure of destiny and Nykthos in this deck? Is it too cute? Because if it works it seems like it would be quite insane.

    I think Nykthos is worth looking at in general (don't have any yet). Figure with Nykthos could be interesting, but it feels win-more and not worth the dilution of devotion to me.
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    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

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  • #16
    Just an option for SB: Leyline of Punishment.
    You can start the match with RR devotion still on the board.

    EDIT: I'm putting in some card I think can be playable in this deck, hope this doesn't bother you...

    You said the deck sit well at 4 lands... so why don't play Seismic Assault?
    Last edited by Cypher2281: 10/16/2013 9:37:56 AM
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  • #17
    Hi, i like the design of the deck so far, but i have some thoughts about it, that i would like to share.

    I`ve been playing something similar in Boros colours with a focus on white so.
    The only thing so far, that screams mono red, is the devotion dude. The question is, is that enough? I dont think so, i believe the DMG must be really good, but you have to harness the mono red character more.

    I would really play the blood moon MB, i have it and it is amazing. The only thing, that saves my playgroup from it, is the knowkedge that i play it, so the fetch basics.

    I would consider chandras phoenix, nice DMG, devition and wonderful with the pw.

    How do you deal with pyroclasm? It is true, you tax UW a great deal, but they splash red, Abd pyroclasm can kill nearly your entire board. Boros reconer would be great here,also with skred and devotion.
  • #18
    Quote from Cypher2281
    Just an option for SB: Leyline of Punishment.
    You can start the match with RR devotion still on the board.
    Yea, I looked at it but it did not have enough board presence for me.

    You said the deck sit well at 4 lands... so why don't play Seismic Assault?
    Thought about that too, and it is still an interesting idea I might try, though I just want to clarify that I don't necessarily need to sit on 4 lands (three producing red), but I can survive it and still tempo out just fine.

    Quote from Galel

    I`ve been playing something similar in Boros colours with a focus on white so.
    The only thing so far, that screams mono red, is the devotion dude. The question is, is that enough? I dont think so, i believe the DMG must be really good, but you have to harness the mono red character more.
    I really think it is. I have ended a LOT of games by dropping 9+ lethal Fanatic that was uncounterable, and even if I don't the game is all but over at that point. In a format with so much removal it is a really solid play.

    I would really play the blood moon MB, i have it and it is amazing. The only thing, that saves my playgroup from it, is the knowkedge that i play it, so the fetch basics.
    I assume you read my rational above. As I said it is a meta call, and in your playgroup or meta it may be the right call, but in my experience on MTGO it is not.

    I would consider chandras phoenix, nice DMG, devition and wonderful with the pw.
    It is high on my test list, but there are no three-drops that have been underperforming so far. That said i will probably give it a whirl before too long.

    How do you deal with pyroclasm? It is true, you tax UW a great deal, but they splash red, Abd pyroclasm can kill nearly your entire board.
    I'm gonna be honest here, I simply hope I can keep up the pressure, or that I have Legion's Initiative in play (of course they are not likely to cast 'clasm if it is). It is a pain in the rear that I am putting off dealing with until later in testing.

    Boros reconer would be great here,also with skred and devotion.
    As I already stated, I have no interest in buying them online. Besides, adding Skred means I dilute devotion or I take out one of my other instants. While Skred can be a more powerful Bolt it is highly situational to me having Boros Reckoner in play for it to have that versatility.
    GaJo
    tumblr: thewormturns
    MTGO: Dr Worm
    EDH: Earl, Ghaiji Aggro, Snow Patrol, Shirei, Eeshatron, Momir Big, What's Yours is Mine, Punisher
    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

    ؟ is the "Irony Mark", but since no one seems to be able to use the term "irony" correctly, I hereby dub it the "Sarcasm Mark."
  • #19
    I have been testing more, and I really like playing this deck the more I play it. I have made a new build that is less like the soul of D&T that I have been testing and really liking. I was really having trouble with giant metal wurms so I decided to swap out Bolt for Skred and add Snow-Covered lands. I also was seeing that the meta I was battling was hurt more by Moon than I previously had encountered, so that went in the the MD. Lastly I decided to give Seismic Assault a try, though so far the only thing it has done is rocket up the devotion count, which is not a bad thing.

    See...I listen to people and genuinely test reasonable suggestions, so keep tossing me suggestions.

    SB- This is always sort of a mess in all my early decks. The decks I have had most trouble with are Merfolk (that stupid pro red devotion powered token maker is redonkulous), and RG Tron. For Tron I have Pithing Needle, but I needed some artifact destruction too. I am giving the Duergar a shot, though it is slow and does not contribute much to devotion count. but it contributes more than Shattering Spree. For Merfolk I really just have to race them...I am not sure I see many other options.

    EDIT: I forgot to mention that all changes are in the first post, and I updated my position on some of the cards too.
    Last edited by DrWorm: 10/21/2013 5:56:43 AM
    GaJo
    tumblr: thewormturns
    MTGO: Dr Worm
    EDH: Earl, Ghaiji Aggro, Snow Patrol, Shirei, Eeshatron, Momir Big, What's Yours is Mine, Punisher
    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

    ؟ is the "Irony Mark", but since no one seems to be able to use the term "irony" correctly, I hereby dub it the "Sarcasm Mark."
  • #20
    Thank you for your work, I hope I can also start to test this deck soon! Rolleyes

    But... but... but... you dropped Lightning Bolt! OMG OMG OMG

    Really sure about this choice? Not better to drop Magma Jet?
    Currently playing:

    MODERN -> GU Infect
    LEGACY -> X Manaless Dredge
  • #21
    Quote from Cypher2281
    Thank you for your work, I hope I can also start to test this deck soon! Rolleyes

    But... but... but... you dropped Lightning Bolt! OMG OMG OMG

    Really sure about this choice? Not better to drop Magma Jet?
    No, Scry is just too critical in a deck that has no draw, and MJ makes Chandra's +0 much less of a gamble.

    Oh, and this is not work...this is one of the most fun decks I have played in a while. I will have to buy a bunch of cards and proxy a few that are in other decks if I decide to make this in paper, but if I can keep improving it I will gladly do it.
    Last edited by DrWorm: 10/21/2013 5:54:42 AM
    GaJo
    tumblr: thewormturns
    MTGO: Dr Worm
    EDH: Earl, Ghaiji Aggro, Snow Patrol, Shirei, Eeshatron, Momir Big, What's Yours is Mine, Punisher
    Modern: Red Snow Devotion, X-Force, Black Devotion Control
    Currently Testing: Fever Dream

    ؟ is the "Irony Mark", but since no one seems to be able to use the term "irony" correctly, I hereby dub it the "Sarcasm Mark."
  • #22
    Quote from DrWorm
    No, Scry is just too critical in a deck that has no draw, and MJ makes Chandra's +0 much less of a gamble.


    Good point, but I think I'll run both! Grin

    Quote from DrWorm
    Oh, and this is not work...this is one of the most fun decks I have played in a while. I will have to buy a bunch of cards and proxy a few that are in other decks if I decide to make this in paper, but if I can keep improving it I will gladly do it.


    Ok, thanks anyway! Wink
    I hope to put this in paper for one of the next FNM at my local shop. Nodding the Affirmative
    Currently playing:

    MODERN -> GU Infect
    LEGACY -> X Manaless Dredge
  • #23
    I have in mind to test something like this (a little more budgetish):

    Blood & TaxesMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    Creature (21)
    2 Æther Membrane
    4 Ash Zealot
    3 Blood Knight
    4 Boggart Ram-Gang
    4 Fanatic of Mogis
    2 Magus of the Moon
    2 Vexing Shusher

    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Magma Jet

    2 Chandra, Pyromaster

    2 Hammer of Purphoros
    2 Seal of Fire

    4 Æther Vial

    2 Cavern of Souls
    17 Mountain
    2 Tectonic Edge

    Currently playing:

    MODERN -> GU Infect
    LEGACY -> X Manaless Dredge
  • #24
    An original deck by DrWorm?

    I'll have to try this.

    Hell any excuse to use Blood Knight and Ash Zealot is enough for me! Wouldnt Goblin Guide be an auto include here? What about that Stromkirk Noble?
  • #25
    Hey Worm (and everyone):
    I'm looking at playing with this, and I have reckoners on MTGO. If cost/budget wasn't a concern, just going for maximum competitiveness, what do you think of the following list:

    Kirlia's DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    Red Snow Devotion 10/21/2013
    Non-Permanent Spells 7
    4 Skred
    3 Magma Jet

    Critters 22
    4 Burning-Tree Emissary
    4 Ash Zealot
    4 Boggart Ram-Gang
    4 Fanatic of Mogis
    4 Boros Reckoner
    2 Ashenmoor Gouger

    Non-Critter Permanents 8
    2 Chandra, Pyromaster
    2 Legion's Initiative
    2 Hammer of Purphoros
    2 Blood Moon

    Land 23
    14 Snow-Covered Mountain
    1 Snow-Covered Plains
    4 Arid Mesa
    2 Sacred Foundry
    2 Tectonic Edge



    Tweaked the manabase to be more snow-heavy (because now we have reckoners+skred), got rid of Blood Knights (were fairly weak in my testing, would you agree?), reckoners and gougers hit hard, Hammer seems really good in this deck both for haste and for continued steam.

    The biggest change that I'm not sure about is removing Aether Vial. I removed it for a few reasons.
    A) This archtype traditionally doesn't have trouble with control. Our threat density is so high, and Legion's Initiative is so powerful vs sweepers, we don't really need the "uncounterability" part, because that's solving a problem we don't have.
    B) The creature count was below what is traditionally considered the 'minimum' for vial. For older formats, the competitive scene has more or less deemed that you need a bare minimum of ~20 critters for vial to be worth it. Obviously this isn't a hard number, but we were playing a little low there. I replaced it with BTE, which is a similarly tempo-oriented dude, plays well with Hammer lategame, and helps with devotion.

    What do you think?
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