Enduring Ideal

  • #1
    ENDURING IDEAL


    This is how you win:
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    The basic idea of this deck is to ramp up to seven mana, cast Enduring Ideal, then lock your opponent out of the game. Here is the basic overview of some of the possible card choices:

    KEY
    Smile Recommended
    Slant Alright
    Mad Not Recommended

    Digging Spells

    Mad Ponder Don't want to get kicked out. It's kind of banned...
    Mad Preordain This one too...
    Smile Peer Through Depths It pushes all of the bad stuff to the bottom, and let's you get either Enduring Ideal or Seething song so that you can get your Ideal off as early as possible and avoid the fluff.
    Slant Thirst for Knowledge
    Slant Magma Jet
    Slant Compulsive Research
    Slant Telling Time
    Slant Serum Visions Drawing blind without the option to shuffle is bad in this deck. I'd run Sleight of Hand over this.
    Mad Dark Confidant "Oh look at my top card! It's Enduring Ideal. I'm now at thirteen." Bad in decks with expensive cards.
    Smile Sleight of Hand Keep what you need and push the enchantments to the bottom. Sounds good to me.
    Slant See Beyond I've played this one for a while, but I've mostly replaced it in my lists with the next two cards.
    Smile Augur of Bolas - He blocks, he finds a card run it bro.
    Smile Court Hussar - Same as above, but better. This one can get crucial lands and artifacts.


    The Combos

    This deck's goal is to cast Enduring Ideal to search for the following:
    Form of the Dragon This is how we win.
    Dovescape/ Meishin the Mind Cage This is how we lock the opponents out of the game.
    Pyrohemia/Near-Death Experience: This is still in testing. I actually came up with this one myself. With Form of the Dragon out, just grab these two and at your upkeep burn yourself and win. ONLY go for this once Dovescape is out.


    The Support

    Smile Oblivion Ring
    Smile Remand
    Smile Dismember/:)Path to Exile
    Smile Condescend
    Mad Cancel
    Smile Mana Leak
    Slant Broken Ambitions Condescend is almost always better
    Smile Repeal
    Smile Go for the Throat
    Smile Doom Blade
    Slant Boomerang
    Smile Echoing Truth
    Slant Into the Roil
    Smile Lightning Helix This can kill a lot of creatures early and gain you some life so that you can get that Ideal out.

    Oblivion Ring is good removal and can be tutored with Enduring Ideal in a pinch. Dismember/Remand/Path To Exile: Sometimes you just need to buy some turns.
    The Ramp

    Mad Seething Song It's banned. Unfortunately.
    Smile Pentad Prism
    Slant Azorius Signet and other Signets.
    Slant Coalition Relic
    Slant Everflowing Chalice
    Slant Mind Stone
    Slant Lotus Bloom This used to be a must play, but in my oppinion it's almost a dead draw if it's not drawn in the first couple of turns. It's still an option and a decent card that is played, but I don't really like it.
    Slant Sphere of the Suns
    Slant Coldsteel Heart
    Mad Darksteel Ingot
    Smile Talisman of Progress and other Talismans.
    If you play green:
    Smile Bird of Paradise
    Smile Overgrown Battlement
    Smile Rampant Growth
    Slant Explore
    Slant Farseek
    Slant Search for Tommorow
    Smile Kodama's Reach / Cultivate
    Smile Sakura-Tribe Elder

    For the deck to be effective you need to cast Enduring Ideal before turn seven.


    Paradox Haze can double the enchantments you get.
    Seal of Primordium can get rid of problem permanents.
    Here is a Link to Andre Mueller's Enduring Ideal deck from 2007. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOfqmPhmHkA
    Although the deck is not modern-legal, its a good place to start.
    Potential Targets

    Sample Deck Lists

    NakayamaKnight (7th Place)
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    Lands (22)
    1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
    4 Gemstone Mine
    2 Hallowed Fountain
    2 Island
    2 Mountain
    2 Mystic Gate
    1 Plains
    4 Rugged Prairie
    2 Scalding Tarn
    1 Seachrome Coast
    1 Steam Vents

    Creatures (2)
    2 Vendilion Clique

    Spells (36)
    1 Aura of Silence
    1 Confiscate
    1 Copy Enchantment
    1 Curse of Death's Hold
    1 Dovescape
    4 Enduring Ideal
    2 Form of the Dragon
    1 Leyline of Sanctity
    4 Lotus Bloom
    1 Meishin, the Mind Cage
    2 Oblivion Ring
    4 Peer Through Depths
    4 Pentad Prism
    1 Phyrexian Unlife
    4 Seething Song
    4 Serum Visions


    Here is the deck I am currently running:
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    Sorceries
    4 Enduring Ideal
    4 Sleight of Hand
    4 See Beyond

    Instants
    4 Lightning Helix
    4 Seething Song
    4 Peer through the Depths

    4 Leyline of Sanctity
    2 Meishin, the Mind Cage
    2 Dovescape
    2 Form of the Dragon
    1 Greater Auramancy

    4 Aride Mesa
    4 Hallowed Fountain
    2 Island
    2 Mountain
    1 Plains
    4 Sacred Foundry
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Steam Vents


    Here is a deck by TeamHero. This one is a bit more aggro based, but it still has the key combo cards.
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    3 Plains
    5 Forest
    4 Sunpetal Grove
    3 Tectonic Edge
    4 Stirring Wildwood
    4 Wooded Bastion
    4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
    4 Viridian Emissary
    3 Loaming Shaman
    3 Eternal Witness
    2 Baneslayer Angel
    4 Kitchen Finks
    4 Wrath of God
    3 Enduring Ideal
    1 Peace of Mind
    3 Oblivion Ring
    1 Worship
    1 Faith's Fetters
    1 Reverence
    1 Privileged Position
    1 Dovescape
    1 Debtors' Knell
    1 Form of the Dragon



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    4 Path to Exile
    1 Karma
    1 Circle of Protection: Red
    1 Helix Pinnacle
    4 Leyline of Sanctity
    4 Obstinate Baloth




    Closing notes:
    This deck isn't perfect and it's quite possible that a "perfect" version wins in a totally different way. Innovation is really important. Play a crazy win con. Use that draw spell that nobody else does. Who knows? It may end up winning big.
    Edit: Old Thread for Reference: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=352094
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  • #2
    wait, since when was phyrexian unlife bad? Given the combo with FoD, it seems a bit better than half the :\ cards you listed.
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  • #3
    Quote from Blitz Reloaded
    wait, since when was phyrexian unlife bad? Given the combo with FoD, it seems a bit better than half the :\ cards you listed.


    Meant to make that Slant . It's not bad, but I haven't had much success with it, nor have I heard anyone's reports about it. Although the first list under sample decks ran it, so it may be worth a shot.
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  • #5
    I archived the thread in deck creation. This is the Enduring Ideal thread now. Thanks for the update.
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  • #6
    Re: Unlife, it was never really something I went looking for when I tried it. It might be useful in niche situations like Elspeth + KotR/other huge creature on the other side of the table, but Meishin/Form is generally enough to last through the needed couple of turns.

    Has anyone considered a one-of Mistveil Plains? The ability to recycle enchantments that have been destroyed or stuck in hand has been reasonably handy in testing when things go wrong (generally due to something like Qasali Pridemage, who is thankfully seeing less play now). It still works under Ideal, can be fetched out, and has an easy to meet requirement when one of the first enchantments fetched is Dovescape.

    The other one I'm curious about is Volition Reins. It's a fairly good catch-all answer, especially for things like Elspeth, who can give enough of a power boost along with the flying needed to punch through Meishin/Form's defenses. The 7th place list up there was running Confiscate, which is pretty much the same.

    For options in the primer, Curse of Death's Hold should probably be included alongside Night of Soul's Betrayal. More or less the same thing with little trades in ease of casting in a pinch. I'm also not sure I would give Worship the full smiley face treatment, though I do really like it alongside a manland or two.

    @Saint Tobias: How has that manabase been treating you? That many shocks seems unnecessary for color fixing purposes, and you have to be taking a pretty fair chunk of damage off those. Any particular reason you're going for that instead of Gemstone Mines and a spread of other lands?
  • #7
    Worship is a house against a lot of random decks. Since Dragon Form brings you down to critical health against a burn deck, Worship helps you stay safe if you have a manland for the most part.

    I used Faith's Fetters instead of Confiscate to deal with Planeswalkers since it deals with a permanent and it's not a dead draw against a lot of decks.

    I'll write up a better primer on my version of the deck once I get internet again. Typing in my phone doesn't cut it.

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  • #8
    Quote from Weebo
    Re: Unlife, it was never really something I went looking for when I tried it. It might be useful in niche situations like Elspeth + KotR/other huge creature on the other side of the table, but Meishin/Form is generally enough to last through the needed couple of turns.

    Has anyone considered a one-of Mistveil Plains? The ability to recycle enchantments that have been destroyed or stuck in hand has been reasonably handy in testing when things go wrong (generally due to something like Qasali Pridemage, who is thankfully seeing less play now). It still works under Ideal, can be fetched out, and has an easy to meet requirement when one of the first enchantments fetched is Dovescape.

    The other one I'm curious about is Volition Reins. It's a fairly good catch-all answer, especially for things like Elspeth, who can give enough of a power boost along with the flying needed to punch through Meishin/Form's defenses. The 7th place list up there was running Confiscate, which is pretty much the same.

    For options in the primer, Curse of Death's Hold should probably be included alongside Night of Soul's Betrayal. More or less the same thing with little trades in ease of casting in a pinch. I'm also not sure I would give Worship the full smiley face treatment, though I do really like it alongside a manland or two.

    @Saint Tobias: How has that manabase been treating you? That many shocks seems unnecessary for color fixing purposes, and you have to be taking a pretty fair chunk of damage off those. Any particular reason you're going for that instead of Gemstone Mines and a spread of other lands?


    Mistveil Plains actually sounds like a pretty good idea against pridemage/ acidic slime.
    As far as my land base goes, I usually don't do anything till turn two, and even then I'll usually just play a Sleight of Hand or maybe a see beyond or Peer Through Depths. It really doesn't hurt too much, although I have thought about running more basics or Gemstone Mines...
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  • #9
    I've been testing a list with Mistveil Plains and it has always been amazing. Using it I managed to recur all the enchantments I managed to draw into by going to 8 cards in hand then discard them. I was playing against Martyr-Proc and it let me loop Aura of Silence to deal with their Crusade effects before I landed Curse of Death's Hold for one-sided wrath that stopped Martyr dead in it's tracks.
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  • #10
    Quote from Reyn
    I've been testing a list with Mistveil Plains and it has always been amazing. Using it I managed to recur all the enchantments I managed to draw into by going to 8 cards in hand then discard them. I was playing against Martyr-Proc and it let me loop Aura of Silence to deal with their Crusade effects before I landed Curse of Death's Hold for one-sided wrath that stopped Martyr dead in it's tracks.


    I thought about having to go to 8 cards to discard, and I added Peace of Mind to fix that problem. Granted, our decks are different. I might cut the Tech Edges and add the Mistveil Plains. That allowes be to cut the Loaming Shamans and add other creatues in its place.

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  • #11
    First time posting on the forum, after looking around for a new combo deck (splinter twin just gets boring after a while) I came across the old thread for this and have a few questions about some of the cards that i have been picked before i buy them on modo.

    Is take possession worth it in the sideboard?
    How many silver bullets would be run in the sideboard? Currently my list of hate cards are 2 more leyline of sanctity, 3 ghostly prison and 2 leyline of the void.

    Really looking forward to playing this deck if i can work out how modo works.
  • #12
    Quote from dave182
    Is take possession worth it in the sideboard?
    How many silver bullets would be run in the sideboard? Currently my list of hate cards are 2 more leyline of sanctity, 3 ghostly prison and 2 leyline of the void.


    I'm a fan of running few silver bullets in the board. If you're boarding in hate for a specific deck, you want to see it - it's there to help you survive until you can combo out and go for the win. It's kind of pointless to try and Ideal into it, because that's the point were you should be winning the game. I'm a fan of Firespout or some other way to sweep little critters for sure, but the rest of it is pretty meta dependent.

    As for Take Possession, I'd rather run Volition Reins. Split second is useless if you're grabbing it with Ideal, and I'm not willing to build around casting a one-of or a two-of, especially in this deck, especially in the board. The untap clause on Volition Reins might occasionally be useful, and the mana in this deck is flexible enough that I haven't had a problem hitting the triple blue during the crunch times where I would want to hardcast it.
  • #13
    Quote from Weebo
    I'm a fan of running few silver bullets in the board. If you're boarding in hate for a specific deck, you want to see it - it's there to help you survive until you can combo out and go for the win. It's kind of pointless to try and Ideal into it, because that's the point were you should be winning the game. I'm a fan of Firespout or some other way to sweep little critters for sure, but the rest of it is pretty meta dependent.

    As for Take Possession, I'd rather run Volition Reins. Split second is useless if you're grabbing it with Ideal, and I'm not willing to build around casting a one-of or a two-of, especially in this deck, especially in the board. The untap clause on Volition Reins might occasionally be useful, and the mana in this deck is flexible enough that I haven't had a problem hitting the triple blue during the crunch times where I would want to hardcast it.


    Fair enough i just had one from my commander deck and thought it could go in as i gave all my colition reins away.

    I am having some problems with red deck wins as they burned me out befor i had a chance to combo off or to cast an phyrexian unlife. I also lost to G/W deck that ran worship and troll ascetic. I tried to o ring his stuff but there were multiple worships out and i did not main deck enough o rings. Is there any cards that would help destroy enemy enchantments or that would be able to cycle destroyed enchantments back into main deck?
    Also lost to tron but thats only because i did not have any blood moons as i not bought them yet.

    Last question, is there enough space in the deck to fit counterspells in it? currently i have 3 firespout and a couple of o rings but if something nasty resolves thatn i'm in trouble

    Deck is still great fun to play online, most people have not heard of form of the dragon and are really confused by the combo, so many people are thinking that its grapeshot.
  • #14
    My version of the deck eats burn decks up. I also run multiple O-rings. I am going to cut the Loaming Shaman for some other enchantment or creature. Thinking of cutting the TechEdge for the Mistveil Plains also.

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  • #15
    Quote from dave182
    Fair enough i just had one from my commander deck and thought it could go in as i gave all my colition reins away.

    I am having some problems with red deck wins as they burned me out befor i had a chance to combo off or to cast an phyrexian unlife. I also lost to G/W deck that ran worship and troll ascetic. I tried to o ring his stuff but there were multiple worships out and i did not main deck enough o rings. Is there any cards that would help destroy enemy enchantments or that would be able to cycle destroyed enchantments back into main deck?
    Also lost to tron but thats only because i did not have any blood moons as i not bought them yet.

    Last question, is there enough space in the deck to fit counterspells in it? currently i have 3 firespout and a couple of o rings but if something nasty resolves thatn i'm in trouble

    Deck is still great fun to play online, most people have not heard of form of the dragon and are really confused by the combo, so many people are thinking that its grapeshot.


    Volition Reins should be extremely cheap to buy if you're interested in it. Take Possession is certainly a reasonable choice if you want that effect, I just think Reins is the better card here. The untap ability is mostly just icing anyways. Confiscate is another option if you want an easier time casting and aren't worried about instant speed shenanigans.

    For countermagic, there's definitely space. It's just a question of how much dig or ramp you're willing to give up in order to protect your combo. I prefer a more explosive build, but there were lists in the old thread that were basically control lists with an Ideal finish. A large number of builds are (were? I'm not sure about the current lists) running 4x Remand, which helps mitigate the fact that you have to give something up by attaching card draw. Mana Leak and Condescend are both pretty solid options as well. Leak is probably the most effective as a hard stop, and Condescend helps you dig.

    For RDW, consider running Lightning Helix, Peace of Mind (with Mistveil Plains, imo), and/or Worship with a couple manlands. To destroy enemy enchantments, Aura of Silence is a good one that doubles as powerful Affinity hate, and Exclusion Ritual is a clunkier one that can shut down further casts if you get it quickly enough.
  • #16
    Quote from dave182
    Fair enough i just had one from my commander deck and thought it could go in as i gave all my colition reins away.

    I am having some problems with red deck wins as they burned me out befor i had a chance to combo off or to cast an phyrexian unlife. I also lost to G/W deck that ran worship and troll ascetic. I tried to o ring his stuff but there were multiple worships out and i did not main deck enough o rings. Is there any cards that would help destroy enemy enchantments or that would be able to cycle destroyed enchantments back into main deck?
    Also lost to tron but thats only because i did not have any blood moons as i not bought them yet.

    Last question, is there enough space in the deck to fit counterspells in it? currently i have 3 firespout and a couple of o rings but if something nasty resolves thatn i'm in trouble

    Deck is still great fun to play online, most people have not heard of form of the dragon and are really confused by the combo, so many people are thinking that its grapeshot.


    If you can get Dovescape and Meishin down, then RDW doesn't have a chance. If you can Path to Exile, Lightning Helix, or somehow get rid of their early guys, then get those two enchantments down, they don't have a chance.

    As for countermagic, in my opinion there is a lot of room. You opt to only have Seething song for ramp, disrupt early game with counter magic, then cast Ideal on turn five to control the rest of the game. In my opinion, this deck has a lot of wiggle room.

    Also, we were featured on Daily MTG today!
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  • #17
    anyone done any playtesting with Leylines in the board? you can grab them from the Epic and helps with bad match ups such as Red burn. Watched a few games today, and leyline in opening hand or later searching for it saved the game. Also helps against reanimator decks with leyline of the void, but i suppose with this one it is less useful, as normaly reanimator goes off turn 3 as well. but still would shut down gift decks and such.
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    Also any thoughts on Overgrown Battlement and wall of roots to ramp, like Tooth and nail decks? or is this just going to be too slow?
  • #18
    Quote from killerbot
    anyone done any playtesting with Leylines in the board? you can grab them from the Epic and helps with bad match ups such as Red burn. Watched a few games today, and leyline in opening hand or later searching for it saved the game. Also helps against reanimator decks with leyline of the void, but i suppose with this one it is less useful, as normaly reanimator goes off turn 3 as well. but still would shut down gift decks and such.
    #
    Also any thoughts on Overgrown Battlement and wall of roots to ramp, like Tooth and nail decks? or is this just going to be too slow?


    Leylines are awesome in this deck. I run four Leyline of Sanctity main, and some Leyline of the Void in side.

    Overgrown and other green ramp seems like an interesting take on this deck other than the R/U/W style deck. You could run the likes of Sacura Tribe Elder, Rampant Growth, and Overgrown Battlement to get the ramp up.
    Someone should try it out, since I'm still tuning my build on cockatrice.

    A deck I've been having trouble with is Urzatron. You can see my list on the first page. Any advice on side board or main board additions to help that matchup. The thing is, emrakul flies, is too big to be hurt by Meishin. If there was a Gravity Sphere kind of effect in modern, that would be awesome SB tech. Any advice?
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  • #19
    Quote from Saint Tobias
    Leylines are awesome in this deck. I run four Leyline of Sanctity main, and some Leyline of the Void in side.

    Overgrown and other green ramp seems like an interesting take on this deck other than the R/U/W style deck. You could run the likes of Sacura Tribe Elder, Rampant Growth, and Overgrown Battlement to get the ramp up.
    Someone should try it out, since I'm still tuning my build on cockatrice.

    A deck I've been having trouble with is Urzatron. You can see my list on the first page. Any advice on side board or main board additions to help that matchup. The thing is, emrakul flies, is too big to be hurt by Meishin. If there was a Gravity Sphere kind of effect in modern, that would be awesome SB tech. Any advice?


    Eat a hit and then O-Ring it? Outside of that, run Mindbreak Trap in the board? There aren't a whole lot of answers to Emrakul. That's kind of the point of it. There's always Tajuru Preserver, if you're anticipating an awful lot of it, but that's such an incredibly narrow answer you're probably better off just crossing your fingers that you don't run into too many Tron decks.
  • #20
    Quote from Saint Tobias


    A deck I've been having trouble with is Urzatron. You can see my list on the first page. Any advice on side board or main board additions to help that matchup. The thing is, emrakul flies, is too big to be hurt by Meishin. If there was a Gravity Sphere kind of effect in modern, that would be awesome SB tech. Any advice?


    what about Invert the Skies. It gets around the emmy pro colored spells because its global...
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  • #22
    Invert the Skies doesn't seem good enough as it will buy you a turn at best if and only if you have Form of the Dragon out. If you can afford to take a hit from Emrakul, that is you don't find Form first then you can actually steal it with Volition Reins or any other equivalent. Then barring Ulamog you should just win. So the important thing is to probably keep them off Eye of Ugin because so long as you have over 15 life Emrakul is actually good for you.
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  • #23
    Just play Ensnaring Bridge against big creatures. Use Peace of Mind to keep your card-count low.

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  • #24
    Does anyone have any thoughts as to why NakayamaKnight is running Clique in that list on the front page? I am running a similar list but I don't see why Remand isn't just more useful.
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  • #25
    The big advantage of Vendillon is that you are spending mana at the end of the opponent turn and not during your turn. On top of this, you can recycle your cards, which is very nice if you have your only dovescape in hand for example.
  • #26
    Is there a glitch on magic online that lets you play spells when i have cast enduring ideal allready? I had dovescape out and tride to cast a blood moon and it gave me 3 bird tokens. I thought epic meant that i could not play any more spells for the rest of the game.

    I have made a few changes to the deck, have got a everlasting torment in the sideboard because of the amount of soul sister and martyr proc online and a main deck blood moon for the tron match up.

    Is anyone running lucent liminid and Eldrazi Conscription combo or is it too cute?
  • #27
    Quote from dave182
    Is there a glitch on magic online that lets you play spells when i have cast enduring ideal allready? I had dovescape out and tride to cast a blood moon and it gave me 3 bird tokens. I thought epic meant that i could not play any more spells for the rest of the game.

    I have made a few changes to the deck, have got a everlasting torment in the sideboard because of the amount of soul sister and martyr proc online and a main deck blood moon for the tron match up.

    Is anyone running lucent liminid and Eldrazi Conscription combo or is it too cute?


    Another good sideboard card is Leyline of the Void. With all the Gifts and reanimator in the current meta, it seems like a good sb choice.

    Lucent Lumid / Eldrazi Conscription is a pretty bad thing to try in fit in a deck in a meta with Path to Exile, Go for the throaght, Doom Blade, and others. It's just too disruptible when we can win with form.
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    (paper)The Gate
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