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I probably won 90% of my matches against twin. I can't imagine feeling the need to dedicate something so specific as illness

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I probably won 90% of my matches against twin. I can't imagine feeling the need to dedicate something so specific as illness

It wasn't specifically for Twin, but it definitely killed their combo in a way most don't expect. I added it for BW Tokens & decks running Lingering Souls / Timely Reinforcements.

This Eldrazi deck has gotten kind of annoying to play against, I might put in some leyline of sanctity in my sideboard after the banned cards come into effect, I expect we might see more burn and the leyline seems to shut off many of the Eldrazi deck's cards. Pyroclasm also seems like it will be good going forward as well, not to mention stony silence

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This Eldrazi deck has gotten kind of annoying to play against, I might put in some leyline of sanctity in my sideboard after the banned cards come into effect, I expect we might see more burn and the leyline seems to shut off many of the Eldrazi deck's cards. Pyroclasm also seems like it will be good going forward as well, not to mention stony silence

What exactly is bad about it? My experience has shown that it is favorable.

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This Eldrazi deck has gotten kind of annoying to play against, I might put in some leyline of sanctity in my sideboard after the banned cards come into effect, I expect we might see more burn and the leyline seems to shut off many of the Eldrazi deck's cards. Pyroclasm also seems like it will be good going forward as well, not to mention stony silence

What exactly is bad about it? My experience has shown that it is favorable.

I've heard a lot of the Eldrazi decks are mainboarding Chalice of the Void.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Modern Masters/Chalice of the Void#online That doesn't seem to be the case.

I like the Grixis version. I will be playing the cantrip Distortion Strike in the deck after OGW is released on MTGO. I don't want to play Gurmag Angler and Tas until people settle down with their Eldrazi decks online. For that reason I am also dropping Become Immense and going U over G (in testing)
4 Death's Shadow
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Kiln Fiend

4 Slip Through Space
4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Mutagenic Growth
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Thoughtseize
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Temur Battle Rage

4 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 shocklands

About the Eldrazi Deck, perhaps i've just had bad draws, but if they hit their discard spells + removal, into lingering souls, you need a specific set of cards to win.

Drinkard, I've started playing your Kiln fiend version from a few posts back and I'm liking it so far. Having thoughtseize in the main is excellent. I'm curious to see how your testing on the grixis version goes, it looks sweet. Having serum visions seems great. Slip through space seems good too, maybe even that R Haste cantrip.

Edit: Stubborn Denial seems pretty spicy out of the sideboard.

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About the Eldrazi Deck, perhaps i've just had bad draws, but if they hit their discard spells + removal, into lingering souls, you need a specific set of cards to win.

Drinkard, I've started playing your Kiln fiend version from a few posts back and I'm liking it so far. Having thoughtseize in the main is excellent. I'm curious to see how your testing on the grixis version goes, it looks sweet. Having serum visions seems great. Slip through space seems good too, maybe even that R Haste cantrip.

Edit: Stubborn Denial seems pretty spicy out of the sideboard.

isn't their set of cards a specific set needed to win? It isn't a common start for them. Keep playing the match and don't have a confirmation bias.

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http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Modern Masters/Chalice of the Void#online That doesn't seem to be the case.

I like the Grixis version. I will be playing the cantrip Distortion Strike in the deck after OGW is released on MTGO. I don't want to play Gurmag Angler and Tas until people settle down with their Eldrazi decks online. For that reason I am also dropping Become Immense and going U over G (in testing)
4 Death's Shadow
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Kiln Fiend

4 Slip Through Space
4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Mutagenic Growth
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Thoughtseize
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Temur Battle Rage

4 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 shocklands

How is the testing going? Was the drop of green enough? Seems like the pump is a bit more anemic.

What about red pump spells? Something like Brute Force to enable beastly Temur Battle Rage?

Also, in versions opting out of both Green and White, is Goblin Guide a potential player? Obviously he wouldn't work unless you're playing more pumps than just Mutagenic Growth.

Guide is a little too vanilla for this archetype.

Shawn Briggs has done well in multiple paper tournaments using guide and putrid leech in jund zoo.

http://mtgpulse.com/search#[byplayer=Shawn Briggs]

I can't test grixis yet because oath is not on mtgo.

Goblin Guide I can understand discarding (no pun intended)

But what about Brute Force? Effective 1 CMC for 4 damage off a swiftspear or 6 damage off a Kiln Fiend

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Goblin Guide I can understand discarding (no pun intended)

But what about Brute Force? Effective 1 CMC for 4 damage off a swiftspear or 6 damage off a Kiln Fiend

What's your suggested cut for it?

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http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Modern Masters/Chalice of the Void#online That doesn't seem to be the case.

they will. so will tron. both decks are notoriously fragile against hyper aggro decks like suicide zoo, naya zoo and burn.

I don't see it. Both decks function from their eggs. Eldrazi leans heavily on its discard spells to beat unfair decks, and their eye of ugin + 1 land hands don't even allow for 1 charge counter. U torn has played it but that matchup is so rare and favorable that I'll give them those games.

In a non-green version of the deck, Brute Force could take the place of Become Immense. Obviously not as potent but less reliant on your graveyard and potentially fires off early, being always only one mana.

Just something to consider. I'm not saying I've tested it to any real success. But if you're opting out of green it might be an option.

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In a non-green version of the deck, Brute Force could take the place of Become Immense. Obviously not as potent but less reliant on your graveyard and potentially fires off early, being always only one mana.

Just something to consider. I'm not saying I've tested it to any real success. But if you're opting out of green it might be an option.

I'd tend to agree. If I were to build a Grixis version, this is what I'd consider for the maindeck:



I'd say that Brute Force does a good Become Immense impersonation on a Kiln Fiend w/ Temur Battle Rage

Kiln Fiend makes Titan's Strength a bit awkward (doesn't save it from Bolt), but I'm still tempted to use Strength more than Brute Force. There aren't as many 1-drops (Steppe Lynx, Wild Nacatl) in this deck as other iterations where I used Titan's Strength, though.

Ulcerate - I don't think so. Just doesn't sound powerful enough. Why not play Dismember? It's the same mana, costs 1 more life and hits -5/-5

Titans Strength - I guess a case could be made for this over Brute Strength. Personally I like the ability to protect something better. I find myself dropping Death's Shadow at 9 life (3/3) so it's nice to have a spell to protect it from Bolt in the main deck. But I guess in that instance Titan/Brute would serve the same purpose.

Ive got back and forth between versions of this deck, sticking mainly to an Esper Shadow variant. But lately I've been trying this version and loving it: