Mizzium Meddler? intersting how has it been for you and what matchups you bring it in for. Burn seems obvious but what else
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Mizzium Meddler? intersting how has it been for you and what matchups you bring it in for.
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I like redirect though because of the dream, redirecting removal to a tarmogoyf, or a decay to a liliana.
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What do you think about the grixis matchups (delver/Twin/control) using straight U/R?
I haven't had the occasion of testing against a lot, and have only encountered control (sided out the entiere combo and managed to win through card quality due to my 2 maindeck lighthouses). Any thoughts, how to side against them, if the matchup is difficult?
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I have played against it a few times, last night I played against them and went 2-0.
we play 4 remands and they play 0-2 so you can get a lot of card advantage from remand using it on flashback or your own spells, I also run 4 dispels and 2 roasts for their angler/tasigur, I also have 2 relics which are great.
Twin is the trickiest of the bunch because you can't just tap out whenever, I like to bring blood moons against delver to because they run 18 lands.
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Hey guys, I've got more sb questions. So I play this guy who runs GW Tron and G 1 usually goes OK but in G2 and 3 like 40% of his deck is twin hate. Like 4x spellskite, Torpor Orb, Ghostly Prison, Nature's Claim and mainboarded paths. Is it correct to just try to beat him down or should I keep the combo?
So I keep getting wrecked by the local Bogles player...what can we do in this matchup, other than hope to combo early, or draw Spellskite? Engineered Explosives is almost useless because of the Totem Armor auras, and they have Suppression Field and path post-board to make things worse. In Grixis I can at least thoughtseize their bogle on the play, but in UR I really don't know what to do. I'm considering drastic measures like playing Hibernation in the sideboard...
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You can counter suppresion field, paths and nature claims.
Cryptics buy alot of time.
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So I keep getting wrecked by the local Bogles player...what can we do in this matchup, other than hope to combo early, or draw Spellskite? Engineered Explosives is almost useless because of the Totem Armor auras, and they have Suppression Field and path post-board to make things worse. In Grixis I can at least thoughtseize their bogle on the play, but in UR I really don't know what to do. I'm considering drastic measures like playing Hibernation in the sideboard...
Being the local Bogles player in our area, the MU really is a race. I play 3x Suppression Field MB and is my only way out in G1 against the Combo, my 2 PTEs are easily countered. I suggest to just save your counter when they have 2 extra open mana for the Suppression Field. G2 and G3, I board in Gaddock Teeg and 2x more PTEs, 2-3x Nature's Claim, so for the Twin player, I suggest the Spellskite, EE, and Blood Moon, it really comes down to what cards we draw, just keep the combo in and race the Bogles player and don't let that Suppression Field/Gaddock Teeg hit the field.
Some great players have said they think Keranos/Jace are to slow, that's why Keranos can be very slow and not help that much if your very far behind.
their both great magic cards but some just think Keranos doesn't help enough against opposing tasigurs and tarmogoyfs most of the time.
Negate is great vs jund, for the reason Phobos said, but also because sometimes they run janky stuff lik e Night of Souls Betrayal and stops K commands and terminates. but mostly liliana
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I've been adding one to my sideboard on UR twin but never seen it yet. It seems good as a replacement for batterskull that does not get wrecked by kolaghan's command (at worse you'll be even on card advantage)
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Like what lol? post your list, negate is amazing against jund
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Your probably playing against bad junk/jund players, and most twin players are bad, that's why my Highest winrate matchup is the mirror match
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Some slots are test slots. I probably don't need three Spellskite effects, and I'm testing Cavern because I run a lot of Wizards in the 75. Any comments or questions will be appreciated. I'll post testing results as they come. So far, I split first at a local Modern event, beating a Bant Collected Company deck, RG Tron (who boarded in 3 Boil, 3 Nature's Claim, 3 Rending Volley, 2 Spellskite, 2 Torpor Orb) and Affinity.
If you don't wanna run blood moon you might wanna try Spreading Seas over the Molten Rain
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Why? I'd rather have the two damage, and killing bouncelands is fantastic! If anything it would be fulminators instead of molten rain, but I do like the Snapcaster. If I ran fulminators I'd likely try a Sword of Light and shadow as well.
Some slots are test slots. I probably don't need three Spellskite effects, and I'm testing Cavern because I run a lot of Wizards in the 75. Any comments or questions will be appreciated. I'll post testing results as they come. So far, I split first at a local Modern event, beating a Bant Collected Company deck, RG Tron (who boarded in 3 Boil, 3 Nature's Claim, 3 Rending Volley, 2 Spellskite, 2 Torpor Orb) and Affinity.
The base deck is fine, allow me to just give you some suggestions. Mainboard, you probably don't need spellskite, since it's (was?) used more for an all-in strategy (and that strategy is not enough for the meta of the last 2 years...). You want offensive cards, keep the pressure and force your opponent to make a mistake, allowing you to combo. Else, you'll win with damage, not by attacking with a 0/4. That is the only thing i don't like in mainboard. Sideboard, add blood moon instead of molten rain. The "destroy land and 2 damage" are cool, but turning all non-basic into more mountains can win you the match. I like the destructive revelry there, not sure if your mana base is solid enough. To run it, i'ld probably add a breeding pool. Flashfreeze is bad, because Negate is much better - it hits way more relevant targets than flashfreeze, so why waste 2 sideboard slots on it? And to finish, try to add some win conditions against GBx decks - you can't rely on the combo. The best choices we have in UR are Keranos, God of Storms, Infernal Titan or Wurmcoil Engine.
Sorry, I honestly think Blood Moon isn't fantastic. It is best in our good matchups, like Amulet. I wouldn't board it in against any Tron deck, while Molten Rain is excellent. The only reason I run Molten Rain over Fulminator Mage is the Snapcaster aspect, as I said above.
Flashfreeze is because Abzan Collected Company (built correctly) or other Abzan Evolutionary Leap strategies are bad matchups (believe me, I've tested them heavily, the MTGO data is very wrong). Negate or a different counter may be better, and I'd like to fit an Engineered Explosives, but I don't have one yet.
Flashfreeze targets Negate can't hit: Tarmogoyf, Kitchen Finks, Voice of Resurgence, all green creatures, Burn's creatures
Relevant Negate targets Flashfreeze can't hit: counters, planeswalkers
Am I missing stuff?
RE mainboard Spellskite: It's mostly to give me a chance to win g1 against Abzan Collected Company and Grixis. It may not be necessary. Having 3 Skite effects in the 75 is probably too many. It also helps the race against Burn. What would you replace it with?
RE Breeding Pool: My list had one, I cut it for Cavern. I might put it back. So far, it hasn't been an issue - it's one sideboard card that I generally don't have to cast early. I'll probably think harder on this one.
So when exactly does Blood Moon win the match? I hate it in Grixis decks, but am not terribly opposed to running it in straight UR because we're less likely to lose to our own Moon. Grixis loses to its Moon all the time if they board it in against Abzan, Jund, or Tron (especially blue Tron - seriously, don't bring in Blood Moon here). We really only want it against Amulet among commonly played decks, and that deck isn't fantastically popular right now, and it's also a fine matchup without the Moon. Maybe I'm missing something big, but it doesn't seem great to me. Molten Rain can come in against almost any deck.
Rg tron does perform relatively well in the right meta, but bad matchups against twin, infect, amulet, burn, etc. more than make up for its almost free wins against decks in the abzan clan. I'd hesitate to call it tier 1 but it is oppressive toward certain decks in a way twin never has been.
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*drools*
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I haven't had the occasion of testing against a lot, and have only encountered control (sided out the entiere combo and managed to win through card quality due to my 2 maindeck lighthouses). Any thoughts, how to side against them, if the matchup is difficult?
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we play 4 remands and they play 0-2 so you can get a lot of card advantage from remand using it on flashback or your own spells, I also run 4 dispels and 2 roasts for their angler/tasigur, I also have 2 relics which are great.
Twin is the trickiest of the bunch because you can't just tap out whenever, I like to bring blood moons against delver to because they run 18 lands.
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BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
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UB Reanimator
You can counter suppresion field, paths and nature claims.
Cryptics buy alot of time.
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I like to side out some number of bolts against both decks.
I like to bring in anger and explosives against the geist version of UWR.
I side out all twins vs grixis but keep one in vs UWR, sometimes 2 if they have geist.
I bring in blood moon vs UWR but not Grixis.
I like to bring in relic vs both, and all the fatties.
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Being the local Bogles player in our area, the MU really is a race. I play 3x Suppression Field MB and is my only way out in G1 against the Combo, my 2 PTEs are easily countered. I suggest to just save your counter when they have 2 extra open mana for the Suppression Field. G2 and G3, I board in Gaddock Teeg and 2x more PTEs, 2-3x Nature's Claim, so for the Twin player, I suggest the Spellskite, EE, and Blood Moon, it really comes down to what cards we draw, just keep the combo in and race the Bogles player and don't let that Suppression Field/Gaddock Teeg hit the field.
their both great magic cards but some just think Keranos doesn't help enough against opposing tasigurs and tarmogoyfs most of the time.
Negate is great vs jund, for the reason Phobos said, but also because sometimes they run janky stuff lik e Night of Souls Betrayal and stops K commands and terminates. but mostly liliana
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Your probably playing against bad junk/jund players, and most twin players are bad, that's why my Highest winrate matchup is the mirror match
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4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Steam Vents
3 Sulfur Falls
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Desolate Lighthouse
1 Stomping Ground
4 Island
1 Mountain
Creatures: 14
4 Deceiver Exarch
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Pestermite
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Spellskite
4 Splinter Twin
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Serum Visions
4 Remand
2 Cryptic Command
2 Spell Snare
1 Peek
1 Dispel
1 Roast
1 Electrolyze
3 Molten Rain
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Flashfreeze
1 Destructive Revelry
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
1 Mizzium Meddler
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Spellskite
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Some slots are test slots. I probably don't need three Spellskite effects, and I'm testing Cavern because I run a lot of Wizards in the 75. Any comments or questions will be appreciated. I'll post testing results as they come. So far, I split first at a local Modern event, beating a Bant Collected Company deck, RG Tron (who boarded in 3 Boil, 3 Nature's Claim, 3 Rending Volley, 2 Spellskite, 2 Torpor Orb) and Affinity.
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The base deck is fine, allow me to just give you some suggestions. Mainboard, you probably don't need spellskite, since it's (was?) used more for an all-in strategy (and that strategy is not enough for the meta of the last 2 years...). You want offensive cards, keep the pressure and force your opponent to make a mistake, allowing you to combo. Else, you'll win with damage, not by attacking with a 0/4. That is the only thing i don't like in mainboard. Sideboard, add blood moon instead of molten rain. The "destroy land and 2 damage" are cool, but turning all non-basic into more mountains can win you the match. I like the destructive revelry there, not sure if your mana base is solid enough. To run it, i'ld probably add a breeding pool. Flashfreeze is bad, because Negate is much better - it hits way more relevant targets than flashfreeze, so why waste 2 sideboard slots on it? And to finish, try to add some win conditions against GBx decks - you can't rely on the combo. The best choices we have in UR are Keranos, God of Storms, Infernal Titan or Wurmcoil Engine.
Hope it helps and good luck.
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UWR MiraclesFlashfreeze is because Abzan Collected Company (built correctly) or other Abzan Evolutionary Leap strategies are bad matchups (believe me, I've tested them heavily, the MTGO data is very wrong). Negate or a different counter may be better, and I'd like to fit an Engineered Explosives, but I don't have one yet.
Flashfreeze targets Negate can't hit: Tarmogoyf, Kitchen Finks, Voice of Resurgence, all green creatures, Burn's creatures
Relevant Negate targets Flashfreeze can't hit: counters, planeswalkers
Am I missing stuff?
RE mainboard Spellskite: It's mostly to give me a chance to win g1 against Abzan Collected Company and Grixis. It may not be necessary. Having 3 Skite effects in the 75 is probably too many. It also helps the race against Burn. What would you replace it with?
RE Breeding Pool: My list had one, I cut it for Cavern. I might put it back. So far, it hasn't been an issue - it's one sideboard card that I generally don't have to cast early. I'll probably think harder on this one.
So when exactly does Blood Moon win the match? I hate it in Grixis decks, but am not terribly opposed to running it in straight UR because we're less likely to lose to our own Moon. Grixis loses to its Moon all the time if they board it in against Abzan, Jund, or Tron (especially blue Tron - seriously, don't bring in Blood Moon here). We really only want it against Amulet among commonly played decks, and that deck isn't fantastically popular right now, and it's also a fine matchup without the Moon. Maybe I'm missing something big, but it doesn't seem great to me. Molten Rain can come in against almost any deck.
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