You can't compare Tasigur to Revelation. They are literally nothing alike. This is not grixis control or grixis twin. That deck and this differ drastically in how they are played.
In the long run, 3-4-5 activations of Tasigur make him something like Rev, yes. With the ecception that he doesn't gain life but he doesn't give you unwanted lands neither. Both have pros and cons, like Tasigur being weak to removals and Rev being weak to counters, IoK and Duress.
Anyway for an UWR shell, Rev is probably going to be better, obviously.
Let's not forget that Tasigur activation always costs 4 cmc and is guaranteed to get the worse card in your graveyard.
So you guys feel like the Eldrazi matchup is doable? I'm getting walked all over when I'm on Infect and Abzan Company and was thinking about putting this deck together.
UWR definitely has better game than those 2 decks, but based on your decks of choice, I'm not sure UWR would fit your play style.
Hi all, this is the list that I recently put together and I would love some advice on the deck, especially ideas for what I could put into the sideboard.
So you guys feel like the Eldrazi matchup is doable? I'm getting walked all over when I'm on Infect and Abzan Company and was thinking about putting this deck together.
It depends. It's a good deck against UR Eldrazi.
Pretty weak to Colorless Eldrazi, and definitely weak against BW Eldrazi.
..so what do you sideboard against the colorless and/or BW version ?
Also I don`t really see good sideboard cards/options for all the Goryos Vengeance / Through the Breach decks out there...
So you guys feel like the Eldrazi matchup is doable? I'm getting walked all over when I'm on Infect and Abzan Company and was thinking about putting this deck together.
It depends. It's a good deck against UR Eldrazi.
Pretty weak to Colorless Eldrazi, and definitely weak against BW Eldrazi.
..so what do you sideboard against the colorless and/or BW version ?
Also I don`t really see good sideboard cards/options for all the Goryos Vengeance / Through the Breach decks out there...
against Colorless, I side in Wraths, the 4th PtE and Crumble to Dust. I know it's not powerful like it is against Tron or the mirror, but we have so many suboptimal cards against them like Bolt, Helix, Remand, Lyze.
against BW, it's pretty much the same, with the difference that they're much stronger than colorless against us for their fatties which trigger their effects on casting, like Oblivion Sower, Blight Herder, or Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, plus they rely on exiling our cards and graveyard and that's terrible for us.
..Hallowed Moonlight and Wrath sound good. Crumble might be a card I am not able to cast, since the constant pressure coming from Eldrazi will force other action on turn 4.
I`ve read that some think about Painters Servant, Ghostly Prison and/or Ensnaring Bridge. Might be worth considering those..
It depends. It's a good deck against UR Eldrazi.
Pretty weak to Colorless Eldrazi, and definitely weak against BW Eldrazi.
..so what do you sideboard against the colorless and/or BW version ?
Also I don`t really see good sideboard cards/options for all the Goryos Vengeance / Through the Breach decks out there...
against Colorless, I side in Wraths, the 4th PtE and Crumble to Dust. I know it's not powerful like it is against Tron or the mirror, but we have so many suboptimal cards against them like Bolt, Helix, Remand, Lyze.
against BW, it's pretty much the same, with the difference that they're much stronger than colorless against us for their fatties which trigger their effects on casting, like Oblivion Sower, Blight Herder, or Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, plus they rely on exiling our cards and graveyard and that's terrible for us.
..Hallowed Moonlight and Wrath sound good. Crumble might be a card I am not able to cast, since the constant pressure coming from Eldrazi will force other action on turn 4.
I`ve read that some think about Painters Servant, Ghostly Prison and/or Ensnaring Bridge. Might be worth considering those..
I don't see how Ensnaring Bridge would fit in a deck which rely on card advantage and has a strong "Draw Go" style, it seems terrible. On the other hand, Ghostly Prison is decent but paying each turn for 2 to deal 4-5 or more damage seems stupid to me. Eldrazi isn't a common aggro like Affinity, Elves, or something like that, that relies on swarming the battlefield with little creatures. Eldrazi does both: it swarms the Battlefield AND has big creatures, so when I'll cast the Prison, I'll already be in a nongood position and they can easily tap two lands to beat with a 5/5 trampler.
All you want against them are hardremovals like PtE, wraths and hardcounters.
I can't see the utility of the Painter's Servant, can someone explain me?
Edit: got it, I have to buy a playset of those so bad ahah.
..with Prison in play, Eldrazi can attack with 1! 5/5 trampler, but it`s not going to be that PLUS a 5/5 Mimic AND cast second main another Eldrazi. This is a subtle tempo gain and indeed nothing worth writing home about, but it should only underline that we don`t really have something neck-breaking in our SB against this deck !
It makes eye worse since it only applies to Colorless Eldrazis, so giving them a color, so, it just slows them, eldrazi temple is still there.
Btw: any thoughts on Terminus ? It seems a bit stupid right now, but isnt it a "free win" against all in aggro decks? it gets rid of everything but manlands, and Eldrazi might empty his has pretty quick on 1-2 turns, so it would put them directly in the topdeck spot. Of course, modern does not have the way to control the top of the library but still, in SB?
note: not a WUR player, just love control but I'm poor. =( Love reading u guys.
I've been putting a lot of hours I with Kiki-Jiki lately. I'm pretty sure you have to play Serum Visions to effectively combo consistently. If you rely only on remand and Electrolyze draw, you will hardly ever combo and will end up with dead cards more often than not.
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It makes eye worse since it only applies to Colorless Eldrazis, so giving them a color, so, it just slows them, eldrazi temple is still there.
Btw: any thoughts on Terminus ? It seems a bit stupid right now, but isnt it a "free win" against all in aggro decks? it gets rid of everything but manlands, and Eldrazi might empty his has pretty quick on 1-2 turns, so it would put them directly in the topdeck spot. Of course, modern does not have the way to control the top of the library but still, in SB?
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Tap: Add Colorless to your mana pool.
Tap: Add ColorlessColorless to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast colorless Eldrazi spells or activate abilities of colorless Eldrazi.
I was wondering if the Shape Anew/Thopter Engineer into Blightsteel Colosuss "combo" is viable at all in this deck? I have been thinking of transitioning to this from Splinter Twin and I am a big fan of the deck, but I am also a big fan of a combo finish.
Round 1 - Lantern Control
This guy usually plays Jund and I kept a sketchy hand with 2 lands. Turn one he plays a llanowar wastes and casts inquisition, completely taking me off guard. He sets up the lock very quickly and prevents me from ever drawing a 3rd land before I scoop. Game two I drop a turn 2 Stony Silence and he scoops two turns later. Game 3 We grind it out until I have roughly 6 cards left in my library. He has two cards in hand and doesn't spend his abrupt decay on my wall of omens (he knew I had resto in hand) to prevent my snapcasters from attacking. He blocks my wandering Fumarole with his spellskite, allowing me to kill it and put him down to 7 with my snaps. Holding two bolts in hand I'm able to fumarole him next turn for 1 damage and kill him with the bolts (he had a leyline of sanctity stuck in his hand).
Win 2-1. 1-0 Overall
Round 2 - Burn
Helixes, Ajani, and Counter spells make this a great matchup for me. Game one I get incredibly lucky w/ a timely Ajani in response to an eidolon and a wall of omens to protect him. He ends up keeping him off green and helixing him 3x before I'm able to kill him. Game 2 he lobs fireballs at me and kills me while I struggle to get off the ground. Game 3 was a walk in the park for me as I cast 4 helixes and a Timely Reinforcements, as well as destroying both of his Stomping Grounds with Ghost quarters to keep him off Green mana for the majority of the game.
Win 2-1. 2-0 Overall
Round 3 - Kiki Chord
We played two of the grindiest games of magic I've played in a while, and I enjoyed every minute of it. The mainboard wraths really came in handy here and they've earned their keep. Game 1 ultimately comes down to him sneaking in a kiki + resto combo and killing me on the spot. Game 2 I manage to keep the board clear with 3 wrath effects and spot removal and eventually grind out a win. Wraths are crucial here because an unchecked kiki + voice of resurgence will end the game very quickly. Always kill kiki on sight. Game 3 we had 8 minutes left on the clock and ended up drawing
Draw. 2-0-1 Overall
Round 4 - Tron.
Game one goes poorly where I see very little interaction and miss land drops after turn 4, while he plays tower after tower and drops a turn 6 Emrakul. Games 2 and 3 though, I bring in 2 Stony Silence, 2 Negate, 2 Spreading Seas, and 2 Crumble to Dust and he never sees Tron. Game 2 went about as good as it could have with me playing spreading seas > crumble > kill you. Game 3 was very similar except I drew 6 lands in a row (electrolyze, remand > snap remand > cryptic all drawing lands) and struggled to kill him before he could get 7 lands into play. He did manage to get a karn on board, but was forced to kill my Resto, allowing me to helix it and kill him with manlands.
Win 2-1. 3-0-1 and 1st place!
Thoughts:
Don't play the forked bolt, I played it because my friend hates the card and I thought it would be funny to make him bad.
Wandering Fumarole hasn't been that bad, allowed me to put pressure on tron earlier, and got under an Ensnaring bridge tonight to sneak in 4 damage.
My mana base needs more white for the wraths, I forgot to update it before playing tonight, but luckily it was still mostly fine.
Ghost Quarter is awesome, super good against so many decks right now.
Look at the card. Now back to Jace. Now back to that card, now back to Jace! Sadly, it isn't Jace, but if it stopped being a junk rare and became relevant, it could act like it's Jace. Crack some Worldwake. What do you have? You have a Jace, the card you wish this card could be like. Look again. THE CARD IS NOW A $75 BILL. Anything possible when you play Magic with Jace and not junk rares. This is probably spam.
Also I don`t really see good sideboard cards/options for all the Goryos Vengeance / Through the Breach decks out there...
I may just be lucky here, but I've never found the Goryo/Breach decks to be any problem at all. I wouldn't think we need any dedicated sideboard slots for them, because in my experience, we're a seriously tough matchup for them. We have counter magic for their important stuff, and Geists, Angels, Colonnades, and burn to pressure them. I really don't see how they can beat us. They have no other hard win conditions (not nearly so compared to us at least), so I think we just have inevitability against them so long as we don't tap out against them (which we wouldn't be anyways).
Also I don`t really see good sideboard cards/options for all the Goryos Vengeance / Through the Breach decks out there...
I may just be lucky here, but I've never found the Goryo/Breach decks to be any problem at all. I wouldn't think we need any dedicated sideboard slots for them, because in my experience, we're a seriously tough matchup for them. We have counter magic for their important stuff, and Geists, Angels, Colonnades, and burn to pressure them. I really don't see how they can beat us. They have no other hard win conditions (not nearly so compared to us at least), so I think we just have inevitability against them so long as we don't tap out against them (which we wouldn't be anyways).
..well the Shoal variation of the deck can win in response to you tapping out eot for the mentioned threats, so it`s not really as easy to put pressure on the board AND protect against their combo finish.
The only card really hurting them is Relic imho, but I don`t want more than 1 in the SB so I was wondering what else do you sideboard against them.
I've never had many issues with that deck. It's pretty fringe, regardless of it making a presence at the PT. Just path their griselbrand and your good to go. Dispel through the Breach or spell snare goryos. It's really not too difficult.
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Let's not forget that Tasigur activation always costs 4 cmc and is guaranteed to get the worse card in your graveyard.
UWR definitely has better game than those 2 decks, but based on your decks of choice, I'm not sure UWR would fit your play style.
2x Arid Mesa
4x Celestial Colonnade
2x Flooded Strand
3x Ghost Quarter
1x Hallowed Fountain
3x Island
1x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Sacred Foundry
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Steam Vents
1x Sulfur Falls
3x Cryptic Command
2x Electrolyze
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Lightning Helix
3x Mana Leak
3x Path to Exile
2x Remand
2x Spell Snare
4x Spreading Seas
1x Supreme Verdict
3x Restoration Angel
4x Snapcaster Mage
1x Vendilion Clique
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Modern
URStormUR
UBRDeath's ShadowUBR
..so what do you sideboard against the colorless and/or BW version ?
Also I don`t really see good sideboard cards/options for all the Goryos Vengeance / Through the Breach decks out there...
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There's a massive gap between some of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 decks, but Jeskai Control does meet the Tier 2 standards.
Here is a list that I've been tinkering with (I don't have Scalding Tarns):
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Wall of Omens
4 Restoration Angel
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Spells (21):
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
2 Spell Snare
1 Spell Pierce
3 Mana Leak
2 Remand
1 Electrolyze
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Wandering Fumarole
3 Steam Vents
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
3 Celestial Colonnade
2 Sulfur Falls
1 Spellskite
2 Stony Silence
2 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Kor Firewalker
2 Dispel
2 Wear // Tear
1 Supreme Verdict
3 Crumble to Dust
Modern:
Death's Shadow Jund
Death's Shadow Grixis
Junk
Legacy:
Grixis Delver
..Hallowed Moonlight and Wrath sound good. Crumble might be a card I am not able to cast, since the constant pressure coming from Eldrazi will force other action on turn 4.
I`ve read that some think about Painters Servant, Ghostly Prison and/or Ensnaring Bridge. Might be worth considering those..
..with Prison in play, Eldrazi can attack with 1! 5/5 trampler, but it`s not going to be that PLUS a 5/5 Mimic AND cast second main another Eldrazi. This is a subtle tempo gain and indeed nothing worth writing home about, but it should only underline that we don`t really have something neck-breaking in our SB against this deck !
Btw: any thoughts on Terminus ? It seems a bit stupid right now, but isnt it a "free win" against all in aggro decks? it gets rid of everything but manlands, and Eldrazi might empty his has pretty quick on 1-2 turns, so it would put them directly in the topdeck spot. Of course, modern does not have the way to control the top of the library but still, in SB?
note: not a WUR player, just love control but I'm poor. =( Love reading u guys.
BURGrixis ControlBUR
BURGrixis DelverBUR (RIP)
UWBEsper GiftsUWB
UWUW Jace ControlUW
GUBSultai ControlGUB
UBTezzeret Agent of BolasUB
I've been putting a lot of hours I with Kiki-Jiki lately. I'm pretty sure you have to play Serum Visions to effectively combo consistently. If you rely only on remand and Electrolyze draw, you will hardly ever combo and will end up with dead cards more often than not.
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Tap: Add Colorless to your mana pool.
Tap: Add ColorlessColorless to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast colorless Eldrazi spells or activate abilities of colorless Eldrazi.
Painter's Servant screws both the Sol lands.
UWR Control
Legacy:
W D&T
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Restoration Angel
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Wall of Omens
Instant (20)
2 Cryptic Command
3 Electrolyze
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Lightning Helix
3 Mana Leak
4 Path to Exile
2 Spell Snare
4 Arid Mesa
2 Cascade Bluffs
4 Celestial Colonnade
2 Flooded Strand
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Steam Vents
1 Keranos, God of Storms
2 Izzet Staticaster
2 Crumble to Dust
3 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Shadow of Doubt
3 Stony Silence
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Wear // Tear
Not sure how much he was expecting Eldrazi, so the build might need some updates.
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
Just curious, thanks for any insight!
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Wall of Omens
3 Restoration Angel
Planeswalkers
1 Ajani Vengeant
Counters
2 Spell Snare
4 Mana Leak
2 Remand
1 Cryptic Command
Removal
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
1 Electrolyze
1 Forked Bolt
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand
1 Arid Mesa
3 Steam Vents
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Celestial Colonnade
2 Wandering Fumarole
3 Ghost Quarter
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Timely Reinforcements
2 Stony Silence
2 Ghostly Prison
2 Negate
2 Spreading Seas
2 Crumble to Dust
1 Wear // Tear
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Engineered Explosives
Round 1 - Lantern Control
This guy usually plays Jund and I kept a sketchy hand with 2 lands. Turn one he plays a llanowar wastes and casts inquisition, completely taking me off guard. He sets up the lock very quickly and prevents me from ever drawing a 3rd land before I scoop. Game two I drop a turn 2 Stony Silence and he scoops two turns later. Game 3 We grind it out until I have roughly 6 cards left in my library. He has two cards in hand and doesn't spend his abrupt decay on my wall of omens (he knew I had resto in hand) to prevent my snapcasters from attacking. He blocks my wandering Fumarole with his spellskite, allowing me to kill it and put him down to 7 with my snaps. Holding two bolts in hand I'm able to fumarole him next turn for 1 damage and kill him with the bolts (he had a leyline of sanctity stuck in his hand).
Win 2-1. 1-0 Overall
Round 2 - Burn
Helixes, Ajani, and Counter spells make this a great matchup for me. Game one I get incredibly lucky w/ a timely Ajani in response to an eidolon and a wall of omens to protect him. He ends up keeping him off green and helixing him 3x before I'm able to kill him. Game 2 he lobs fireballs at me and kills me while I struggle to get off the ground. Game 3 was a walk in the park for me as I cast 4 helixes and a Timely Reinforcements, as well as destroying both of his Stomping Grounds with Ghost quarters to keep him off Green mana for the majority of the game.
Win 2-1. 2-0 Overall
Round 3 - Kiki Chord
We played two of the grindiest games of magic I've played in a while, and I enjoyed every minute of it. The mainboard wraths really came in handy here and they've earned their keep. Game 1 ultimately comes down to him sneaking in a kiki + resto combo and killing me on the spot. Game 2 I manage to keep the board clear with 3 wrath effects and spot removal and eventually grind out a win. Wraths are crucial here because an unchecked kiki + voice of resurgence will end the game very quickly. Always kill kiki on sight. Game 3 we had 8 minutes left on the clock and ended up drawing
Draw. 2-0-1 Overall
Round 4 - Tron.
Game one goes poorly where I see very little interaction and miss land drops after turn 4, while he plays tower after tower and drops a turn 6 Emrakul. Games 2 and 3 though, I bring in 2 Stony Silence, 2 Negate, 2 Spreading Seas, and 2 Crumble to Dust and he never sees Tron. Game 2 went about as good as it could have with me playing spreading seas > crumble > kill you. Game 3 was very similar except I drew 6 lands in a row (electrolyze, remand > snap remand > cryptic all drawing lands) and struggled to kill him before he could get 7 lands into play. He did manage to get a karn on board, but was forced to kill my Resto, allowing me to helix it and kill him with manlands.
Win 2-1. 3-0-1 and 1st place!
Thoughts:
Don't play the forked bolt, I played it because my friend hates the card and I thought it would be funny to make him bad.
Wandering Fumarole hasn't been that bad, allowed me to put pressure on tron earlier, and got under an Ensnaring bridge tonight to sneak in 4 damage.
My mana base needs more white for the wraths, I forgot to update it before playing tonight, but luckily it was still mostly fine.
Ghost Quarter is awesome, super good against so many decks right now.
URURxUR
UWUWxUW
StandardArena:U/R Drakes
Modern
URStormUR
UBRDeath's ShadowUBR
I may just be lucky here, but I've never found the Goryo/Breach decks to be any problem at all. I wouldn't think we need any dedicated sideboard slots for them, because in my experience, we're a seriously tough matchup for them. We have counter magic for their important stuff, and Geists, Angels, Colonnades, and burn to pressure them. I really don't see how they can beat us. They have no other hard win conditions (not nearly so compared to us at least), so I think we just have inevitability against them so long as we don't tap out against them (which we wouldn't be anyways).
..well the Shoal variation of the deck can win in response to you tapping out eot for the mentioned threats, so it`s not really as easy to put pressure on the board AND protect against their combo finish.
The only card really hurting them is Relic imho, but I don`t want more than 1 in the SB so I was wondering what else do you sideboard against them.
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