My sideboard contains 2 Ancient Grudge and 2 Rakdos Charm.. I inserted the charm because of its versatility.. It can remove graveyards, it can troll Splinter Twin decks when they caught off-guard and make a million tokens, and lastly an artifact crusher..
I am bringing some form of Jund to GP Portland this weekend. Currently the Ajani Jund has been yielding pretty good results in my testing group. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions about the expected meta and sideboarding options. I usually like to keep some sort of search inhibitor (Aven Mindcensor, Shadow of Doubt), a couple cards for the mirror (Thrun, Olivia, Batterskull), and perhaps some land destruction (Fulminator Mage, Molten Rain). I think there are better artifact hate options than Stony Silence now that Eggs is out of the picture.
The decks I would most expect to play against are: Pod, Twin Exarch, Scapeshift, Zoo, UWR Control, Affinity, Junk, and of course the mirror. I might expect to see the Combo Elves deck but I feel like Jund has enough main deck answers that it doesn't require too much sideboard attention. Other decks I'd consider a slight possibility of running into would be Gifts Control, Hatebears, Soul Sisters, Hexproof Auras, and Infect. I'd say chances are slim of running into Gifts Control, but the matchup is REALLY bad for Jund... I wouldn't mind a couple versatile sideboard options that would help against Gifts as well.
I included 2 Pithing Needle (naming Karn Liberated) to enhance the chance of winning against tron alongside with 2 Boom/Bust and 2 Sowing Salt. The needles can be also a good sideboard against Eggs (although it seems like its not a great deck anymore), or even Batterskull. I just created my sideboard in general and for versatility. Because modern is so diverse.
You obviously cut the three Lingering Souls and probably the Abrupt Decay, but what are the four other cuts for the sideboard games?
Lightning Bolt is usually pretty bad from my experience against Tron so I cut those nearly every game. Abrupt can be good if they drop a turn 1 map or something on the play and you blow it up but obviously situation-ally good.
I played that exact SB at the GP with the only change MD being -1 Thundermaw for +1 Thrun MD. The deck performed very well and I was in contention for Day 2 into round 7 despite facing RG Tron 3 out of my first 5 matches and losing to them 2 out of 3 times. I was pretty upset how often the DCI system was giving me my worst match up easily. The deck that knocked me out of GP Vegas during round 7 was a WUG somewhat aggro deck featuring like Thalia, Vial, Geist, Smiter, Noble Hierarch, Leonin Arbiter etc..
Anyways here is the board I should have gone with if I played again.
I really want to playtest needle against stuff like RG Tron and other decks that rely on a lot of random things to win. Olivia hasn't been relevant in my SB ever and Rakdos Charm while good hasn't really done a whole lot either. So against Tron if that was my SB and I lost game one I would SB like such.
-4 Lightning Bolt
-3 Lingering Souls
-2 Inquisition of Kozilek
-1 Abrupt Decay
-1 Thundermaw Hellkite (Leaving Thrun since my list was a 1/1 split Thundermaw/Thrun at the GP)
Yeah, Inquisition of Kozilek is fairly terrible against RG Tron because they have redundancy out the ears, so sniping their land search only works some of the time because they'll often cantrip into more land search. You also can't always take Oblivion Stone (because it's conveniently not in their hand).
After that, I'd probably board out a Bolt, and then maybe a Path to Exile (solves your Wurmcoil problems, but not your Emrakul problems).
Im really not liking ajani in jund... He dosnt do enough imo.
i think reprinting him to become Modern legal is a great but not a broken idea. Though graveyard-based decks will be almost dead and will have more trouble dealing Scavenging Ooze, alongside with Deathrite Shaman. He is a good semi-budget replacement for Tarmogoyf, IMO. You just have to tweak slightly your deck, focusing more on creatures (like 17 to 19). Feeding the ooze with atleast 2 to 3 activations targeting a creature on a graveyard is great, making him a 4/4 or 5/5 is enough to kick the opponents' butt. Unlike the Goyf, the Ooze is a little bit more tempo, and somehow resistive to graveyard removal because he doesn't shrink often when the yards are empty. If he is legit to be reprinted on M14, then I have to prepare some budget for him.
And for Ajani Vengeant, I think also that he doesn't do a lot compare to Bloodbraid Elf. He is solid, but I can't afford to splash W for him, Path to Exile and Lingering Souls. I'm making my deck more suicidal. I'm just sticking to its BGR core. Varieties of Jund have their own X's and O's. Just choose wherever it fits you.
Hy guys, today i back to BGx decks, after some test and plays with Gifts Control, Melira and Tron i really want to start some plays with a BGx Mindrange.
Yesterday i think to see my cards to make a Doran deck (my pet card and my replace for goyf) and i started to build something that can support this. This is my list, i really want 3~4 slots to a Blood Scrivener (my buged BoB and this deck can really abuse your abillity) and i know the power of goyf in this deck, but no have money for that in this days.
hi, i´m new in modern and jund, i come from pox legacy and i can be wrong in my thoughts. In my opinion white splash gives you something more than ajani, path or lingering it gives you acces to a better SB. Timely reinforcements is an awesome card against burn and RDW.
Also what do you think about playing kitchen finks or huntmaster as a way of gaining life? i know people play thundermaw or huntmaster but i currently run 1 thundermaw and 2 huntmaster and i was thinking on trying 2 kitchen instead
Timely reinforcements is awesome. It makes any aggro player cry.
Been having a lot of luck with this build lately, made top 8 with it in the last 2 Portland GPT's in a row.
It is good to here you have dont well with the list. I'm looking to get into jund but some of the build I'm looking at, such as yours, I am amazed you win at all.
I dont mean that in an insulting way, it looks like jund has become so greedy on pain lands and Bob how do you not just kill yourself? I feel like top decking Thundermaw and Ajani must be game ending for you with Bob out and the lands early game. Just... how?
Today i had difficulties against aura hexproof. What do you SB against it?
Apart from the Back to Nature, Devour Flesh there are a lot of other good options. The important thing is to keep them cost effective and relevant in other matchups.
Engineered Explosives is something I've considered since you could just as easily play it against Elves and some of the faster aggro decks like Zoo, possibly even Affinity but that's pushing it. I'm not sure how it interacts if you activate it for X=1 against a totem aura enhanced hexprof one-drop, but if both things stay dead then it should be pretty good.
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Basically, I've seen the strict R/G/B shell only online.
And for answering your question, we can survive thanks to Ajani. Its -3 helps a lot (for exemple on bob, if he's killing you). I was skeptical at first glance, but I can assure that this new version with the white splash works very well. And don't forget that we have Timely Reinforcement in SB.
Thanks for the list, thats very interesting and what I was looking for; something I might start my build off of with a few twist.
I played against Jund a few times, before BBE got banned and I had no complaints about the deck being #1 in the format because most of the time it did half the work for me. I won more games then lost.
Now I never tryed or fought these white splashes but they look even more painful. I suppose Ajani could help, but I just feel its too much of a risk. An Thundermaw? Forget him, at least Batterskull has lifelink.
I have most of the cards so Im building off of pure Jund, and if anything I'm willing to splash white for SB and Souls but thats all. Any advice on a good 3 or 4 drop that is just as effective as BBE?
The only cards I dont own is Thoughseize, and I refuse to buy them. Ill settle for a 10 cent discard and risk Duress.
Thanks for the list, thats very interesting and what I was looking for; something I might start my build off of with a few twist.
I played against Jund a few times, before BBE got banned and I had no complaints about the deck being #1 in the format because most of the time it did half the work for me. I won more games then lost.
Now I never tryed or fought these white splashes but they look even more painful. I suppose Ajani could help, but I just feel its too much of a risk. An Thundermaw? Forget him, at least Batterskull has lifelink.
I have most of the cards so Im building off of pure Jund, and if anything I'm willing to splash white for SB and Souls but thats all. Any advice on a good 3 or 4 drop that is just as effective as BBE?
The only cards I dont own is Thoughseize, and I refuse to buy them. Ill settle for a 10 cent discard and risk Duress.
I agree with you, I also running the pure version of Jund. In my list, although no card has been really ever replaced Bloodbraid Elf, I inserted 1x Garruk Relentless, 1x Thrun, the Last Troll and 1x Olivia Voldaren for utility and versatility reasons. I also mainboarded 1x Eternal Witness for grinding out games and it is like an extra copy of any threats/answers you want from the main.
Iam thinking about any kind of replacement of Hellkite, but he still looks like the best choice - Huntmaster looks slow and get shocked very often, Olivia - strong but I miss mana, she uses really much mana to deal even 2 dmg..
Maybe 4 Lilianas would be nice specially now when planeswalkers rules are about to change.
And sideboard is hard to make too..
The decks I would most expect to play against are: Pod, Twin Exarch, Scapeshift, Zoo, UWR Control, Affinity, Junk, and of course the mirror. I might expect to see the Combo Elves deck but I feel like Jund has enough main deck answers that it doesn't require too much sideboard attention. Other decks I'd consider a slight possibility of running into would be Gifts Control, Hatebears, Soul Sisters, Hexproof Auras, and Infect. I'd say chances are slim of running into Gifts Control, but the matchup is REALLY bad for Jund... I wouldn't mind a couple versatile sideboard options that would help against Gifts as well.
What do you folks think?
I included 2 Pithing Needle (naming Karn Liberated) to enhance the chance of winning against tron alongside with 2 Boom/Bust and 2 Sowing Salt. The needles can be also a good sideboard against Eggs (although it seems like its not a great deck anymore), or even Batterskull. I just created my sideboard in general and for versatility. Because modern is so diverse.
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
Planeswalkers
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Ajani Vengeant
Spells
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lingering Souls
3 Thoughtseize
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Path to Exile
1 Abrupt Decay
Lands
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Marsh Flats
1 Arid Mesa
2 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Blood Crypt
1 Temple Garden
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Godless Shrine
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Plains
2 Stony Silence
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Batterskull
3 Timely Reinforcements
4 Fulminator Mage
2 Aven Mindcensor
Been having a lot of luck with this build lately, made top 8 with it in the last 2 Portland GPT's in a row.
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This deck has a lot of cards it wants against tron:
4 Fulminator Mage
2 Aven Mindcensor
and maybe Rakdos Charm
You obviously cut the three Lingering Souls and probably the Abrupt Decay, but what are the four other cuts for the sideboard games?
Lightning Bolt is usually pretty bad from my experience against Tron so I cut those nearly every game. Abrupt can be good if they drop a turn 1 map or something on the play and you blow it up but obviously situation-ally good.
I played that exact SB at the GP with the only change MD being -1 Thundermaw for +1 Thrun MD. The deck performed very well and I was in contention for Day 2 into round 7 despite facing RG Tron 3 out of my first 5 matches and losing to them 2 out of 3 times. I was pretty upset how often the DCI system was giving me my worst match up easily. The deck that knocked me out of GP Vegas during round 7 was a WUG somewhat aggro deck featuring like Thalia, Vial, Geist, Smiter, Noble Hierarch, Leonin Arbiter etc..
Anyways here is the board I should have gone with if I played again.
2 Stony Silence
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Batterskull
3 Timely Reinforcements
4 Fulminator Mage
2 Aven Mindcensor
I really want to playtest needle against stuff like RG Tron and other decks that rely on a lot of random things to win. Olivia hasn't been relevant in my SB ever and Rakdos Charm while good hasn't really done a whole lot either. So against Tron if that was my SB and I lost game one I would SB like such.
+2 Pithing Needle
+2 Stony Silence
+4 Fulminator Mage
+2 Aven Mindcensor
-4 Lightning Bolt
-3 Lingering Souls
-2 Inquisition of Kozilek
-1 Abrupt Decay
-1 Thundermaw Hellkite (Leaving Thrun since my list was a 1/1 split Thundermaw/Thrun at the GP)
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After that, I'd probably board out a Bolt, and then maybe a Path to Exile (solves your Wurmcoil problems, but not your Emrakul problems).
i think reprinting him to become Modern legal is a great but not a broken idea. Though graveyard-based decks will be almost dead and will have more trouble dealing Scavenging Ooze, alongside with Deathrite Shaman. He is a good semi-budget replacement for Tarmogoyf, IMO. You just have to tweak slightly your deck, focusing more on creatures (like 17 to 19). Feeding the ooze with atleast 2 to 3 activations targeting a creature on a graveyard is great, making him a 4/4 or 5/5 is enough to kick the opponents' butt. Unlike the Goyf, the Ooze is a little bit more tempo, and somehow resistive to graveyard removal because he doesn't shrink often when the yards are empty. If he is legit to be reprinted on M14, then I have to prepare some budget for him.
And for Ajani Vengeant, I think also that he doesn't do a lot compare to Bloodbraid Elf. He is solid, but I can't afford to splash W for him, Path to Exile and Lingering Souls. I'm making my deck more suicidal. I'm just sticking to its BGR core. Varieties of Jund have their own X's and O's. Just choose wherever it fits you.
1 Blood Crypt
3 Clifftop Retreat
1 Forest
1 Godless Shrine
3 Marsh Flats
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Plains
3 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Swamp
1 Temple Garden
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
2 Ajani Vengeant
2 Liliana of the Veil
3 Lingering Souls
3 Path to Exile
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Doran, the Siege Tower
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Blood Scrivener
1 Olivia Voldaren
Hy guys, today i back to BGx decks, after some test and plays with Gifts Control, Melira and Tron i really want to start some plays with a BGx Mindrange.
Yesterday i think to see my cards to make a Doran deck (my pet card and my replace for goyf) and i started to build something that can support this. This is my list, i really want 3~4 slots to a Blood Scrivener (my buged BoB and this deck can really abuse your abillity) and i know the power of goyf in this deck, but no have money for that in this days.
Timely reinforcements is awesome. It makes any aggro player cry.
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It is good to here you have dont well with the list. I'm looking to get into jund but some of the build I'm looking at, such as yours, I am amazed you win at all.
I dont mean that in an insulting way, it looks like jund has become so greedy on pain lands and Bob how do you not just kill yourself? I feel like top decking Thundermaw and Ajani must be game ending for you with Bob out and the lands early game. Just... how?
Does anyone even play strait up Jund anymore?
4 Kavu Predator + 3 Fiery Justice
OR
3 Doran, the Siege Tower
??
Apart from the Back to Nature, Devour Flesh there are a lot of other good options. The important thing is to keep them cost effective and relevant in other matchups.
Engineered Explosives is something I've considered since you could just as easily play it against Elves and some of the faster aggro decks like Zoo, possibly even Affinity but that's pushing it. I'm not sure how it interacts if you activate it for X=1 against a totem aura enhanced hexprof one-drop, but if both things stay dead then it should be pretty good.
Another cute card against them is Spellskite.
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Thanks for the list, thats very interesting and what I was looking for; something I might start my build off of with a few twist.
I played against Jund a few times, before BBE got banned and I had no complaints about the deck being #1 in the format because most of the time it did half the work for me. I won more games then lost.
Now I never tryed or fought these white splashes but they look even more painful. I suppose Ajani could help, but I just feel its too much of a risk. An Thundermaw? Forget him, at least Batterskull has lifelink.
I have most of the cards so Im building off of pure Jund, and if anything I'm willing to splash white for SB and Souls but thats all. Any advice on a good 3 or 4 drop that is just as effective as BBE?
The only cards I dont own is Thoughseize, and I refuse to buy them. Ill settle for a 10 cent discard and risk Duress.
I agree with you, I also running the pure version of Jund. In my list, although no card has been really ever replaced Bloodbraid Elf, I inserted 1x Garruk Relentless, 1x Thrun, the Last Troll and 1x Olivia Voldaren for utility and versatility reasons. I also mainboarded 1x Eternal Witness for grinding out games and it is like an extra copy of any threats/answers you want from the main.
I think the second best combination of spot discards in modern (Thoughtseize is the exception) is 3x-4x Inquisition of Kozilek and 1x-2x Despise/Duress.
4x Dark Confidant
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Deathrite Shaman
2x Thundermaw Hellkite
3x Ajani Vengeant
2x inquisition of Kozilek
3x Thoughtseize
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Path to Exile
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Lingering Souls
24x Lands
Iam thinking about any kind of replacement of Hellkite, but he still looks like the best choice - Huntmaster looks slow and get shocked very often, Olivia - strong but I miss mana, she uses really much mana to deal even 2 dmg..
Maybe 4 Lilianas would be nice specially now when planeswalkers rules are about to change.
And sideboard is hard to make too..
Are you sure Scavenging Ooze is modern legal
StarCityGames just interviewed people on how hard Scavenging Ooze will hose Standard decks. It'll probably be Modern-legal (although StarCityGames will be pooping their pants hard if it doesn't actually show up in M14).