Because Melira Pod is in high today? due to the large number of junds format?
Melira Pod is great all around. It is popular now thanks to Storm and Tron falling in usage and its good Jund matchup. But with Tron on the rise again (on MTGO), it might disappear again :/
I know that I play with Tron too, but I hate what it does to Melira
I was thinking about adding a Sun Titan to recur killed Meliras and Seers late in the game and I get to 6 mana pretty easily. Plus a 6/6 vigilance is pretty hard for other fair decks to beat. Have any of you tried it? Did you like it?
It`s great against Jund and it`s a good card in general. Helps with the combo and the beatdown plan. The problem is: 6 mana is a LOT. I`m sure that he can be played and perhaps should be, but it`s too slow. With 6 mana you should be doing something game-breaking, like Realm Razer. I played with him for a long time, and liked him a lot, but most of the time it was too late for him to make a difference.
There's my decklist. I was thinking about adding a Sun Titan to recur killed Meliras and Seers late in the game and I get to 6 mana pretty easily. Plus a 6/6 vigilance is pretty hard for other fair decks to beat. Have any of you tried it? Did you like it?
Congrats on the finish.
If you want to play a 6 drop, I wouldn't main deck it, the format it too fast for you to reliably casting 6 drops. I'd put it in the sideboard. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, is also another consideration, he allows you to combo off instead of having melira, and his other text is nice. Also sun titan is harder to cast, since this deck is only splashing white. You'd have to adjust your mana base, probably play 2-3 temple gardens instead of 1, and/or play a basic plains which is awful.
I personally maindeck Titan since I feel it is one of the best cards against Jund. Lategame Chord for EWitt, return Chord, Chord for Titan, recur EWitt and Chord multiple times just gets insane.
I had an awesome play last night with Orzhov Pontiff that I wanted to share.
Had Pod out. Pontiff in hand.
My opponent had a few x/2 creatures out. I played Pontiff, giving all opponents creatures -1/-1. I sac Pontiff to Pod, Haunting one of the x/2s. I grabbed Murderous Redcap, targeting the creature that was haunted, which then allowed me to give -1/-1 to my opponent's creatures again. This effectively wiped his board while I had Thrun ready to swing. It's an interaction I had never even thought of before. Me gusta!
I will play a local PTQ next month and I need some help with this deck.
Why do many decks only run 3 Chord of Calling? I think it's the best card in this deck. I have no idea why not run 4.
Is Rule of Law only for storm matches?
Is Thalia, Guardian of Thraben worth 1 slot of sideboard? I think it's good against tron, scapeshift and storm.
Thanks,
I will play a local PTQ next month and I need some help with this deck.
Why do many decks only run 3 Chord of Calling? I think it's the best card in this deck. I have no idea why not run 4.
Is Rule of Law only for storm matches?
Is Thalia, Guardian of Thraben worth 1 slot of sideboard? I think it's good against tron, scapeshift and storm.
Thanks,
Rule if Law is for Storm, Infect, and Eggs.
Ethersworn Canonist is better than Thalia (IMO). Scapeshift and Tron generate so much mana they don't really care about Thalia's tax.
How many Chords to run is open for debate right now. It's good, but it costs a /ton/ of mana, and it stops you from beating down for a turn (because you tap your creatures). It is a fantastic effect though. If you are focussing on combo and running Wall of Roots, I think 3-4 Chords are correct in Melira Pod. Your combo pieces are cheaper than Kiki's and the tempo loss is irrelevant if you win that turn. It can be clunky if you get multiple chords in a low creature hand, so some people only run three.
I will play a local PTQ next month and I need some help with this deck.
Why do many decks only run 3 Chord of Calling? I think it's the best card in this deck. I have no idea why not run 4.
Is Rule of Law only for storm matches?
Is Thalia, Guardian of Thraben worth 1 slot of sideboard? I think it's good against tron, scapeshift and storm.
Thanks,
Chord isn't really the best card, it requires you to have a good board presence to cast it. It's really clunky and sometimes you cut them vs grindy match ups (like jund). 3 is a fine amount in the deck. The best card in the deck is birthing pod. You should rarely mulligan a hand with birthing pod, you can't say the same about chord of calling.
Thalia is only good on turn 2, and is extremely good turn 2 on the play. Since you only run 1 thalia you will rarely get it on turn 2 like other decks that run 3-4. And tutoring for a canonist on turns 3-4 is a much stronger speed bump vs combo decks. Also when you sideboard with this deck, you bring in a lot of non creature spells, which makes thalia awkward. Thalia is only good vs scapeshift if you get it turn 2 on the play. Otherwise scapeshift will just ramp and make the thalia useless, kind of like what goblin electromancer does.
Got some testing in against my friend playing UR storm. This won't be super comprehensive, but basically preboard was roughly 50/50. Turn 2 Thalia was backbreaking for him; so much so that I often Podded away my mana dork to get her at least by turn 3. Post board I brought in Dryad Militant, Ethersworn, 2 IoK (sideboard isn't complete and I would've also brought in rule of law if it were there). Most memorable play was T1 Deathrite, T2 ethersworn and Dryad, T3 leave open 4 mana, he tries to bolt and I flash in resto saving the Dryad. He scoops lol.
Got some testing in against my friend playing UR storm. This won't be super comprehensive, but basically preboard was roughly 50/50. Turn 2 Thalia was backbreaking for him; so much so that I often Podded away my mana dork to get her at least by turn 3. Post board I brought in Dryad Militant, Ethersworn, 2 IoK (sideboard isn't complete and I would've also brought in rule of law if it were there). Most memorable play was T1 Deathrite, T2 ethersworn and Dryad, T3 leave open 4 mana, he tries to bolt and I flash in resto saving the Dryad. He scoops lol.
Basically, unless we have a good draw, Storm is going to win game 1. Not only against Melira, but against everything. But game 2 and 3 is almost easy, because we can bring in some devastating cards. And that`s the same against most fast decks: Tron, Affinity, Twin... Only Infect is winnable. Melira is so good because it can completely shut off the opponent`s deck with its sideboard.
Also, how is Dryad Militant working for you? I don`t know, she seems great in paper but turns out to not be so useful . I have her in my sideboard, but I was thinking in replacing her with a Burrenton Forge-Tender.
Basically, unless we have a good draw, Storm is going to win game 1. Not only against Melira, but against everything. But game 2 and 3 is almost easy, because we can bring in some devastating cards. And that`s the same against most fast decks: Tron, Affinity, Twin... Only Infect is winnable. Melira is so good because it can completely shut off the opponent`s deck with its sideboard.
Also, how is Dryad Militant working for you? I don`t know, she seems great in paper but turns out to not be so useful . I have her in my sideboard, but I was thinking in replacing her with a Burrenton Forge-Tender.
You're right about the militant, she isn't that great. The most value you'd ever get out of her is playing against a Past in Flames deck; Deathrite Shaman is strictly better for dealing with stuff like snapcaster and lingering souls. While it made it extremely difficult for him to combo out with her on the field, there's absolutely no reason to run her main deck, and while I'm not familiar with Storm's general sideboard, my friend has a very effective one: bolts, Izzet charm, and some other goodies. And of course, that makes G2 and G3 a blowout for militant.
As far as Burrenton goes, I'm not sold on him. I'd say my biggest gripe is that he's a one and done, and your opponents are going to see it coming unless you blow a Chord on him. With respect to Storm, he doesn't stop Grapeshot at all. I'd feel more comfortable with another Abrupt Decay or Thoughtseize in his spot.
Also, when playing against Storm with a Chord in hand, you can just lol at their wasted storm count by chording for Ethersworn in response to them casting their last ramp spell, before Grapeshot. It was news to me (maybe not you guys) but her effect is retroactive, counting spells that were cast before she enters the battlefield.
What's the current solid list for this deck? I'm looking for something good to play for a PTQ in March and I find this convo super cool. However, when I was reading, people seem to say this could be easily countered but I see it doing good in tournaments (second at GP Toronto), so I don't really get that.
Also, why did Tron fall and why is it on the rise again? It's another deck I find cool in Modern.
Basically, unless we have a good draw, Storm is going to win game 1. Not only against Melira, but against everything. But game 2 and 3 is almost easy, because we can bring in some devastating cards. And that`s the same against most fast decks: Tron, Affinity, Twin... Only Infect is winnable. Melira is so good because it can completely shut off the opponent`s deck with its sideboard.
Also, how is Dryad Militant working for you? I don`t know, she seems great in paper but turns out to not be so useful . I have her in my sideboard, but I was thinking in replacing her with a Burrenton Forge-Tender.
I don't think this deck has a bad game 1 storm match. It depends on your build of course. I have thoughtsieze main over decay (lots of storm and twin online, and it's better vs tron). I also have 1 canonist main. You can go turn 2 pod, turn 3 canonist, which is close to a lock game 1 vs storm. I also have 1 main deck pridemage to kill ascension (harmonic sliver hasn't been that great). Deathrite makes it harder for them to go off with past in flames or ascension. Also melira pod is a combo deck, you can combo off before they do. They have very little interaction.
What's the current solid list for this deck? I'm looking for something good to play for a PTQ in March and I find this convo super cool. However, when I was reading, people seem to say this could be easily countered but I see it doing good in tournaments (second at GP Toronto), so I don't really get that.
Also, why did Tron fall and why is it on the rise again? It's another deck I find cool in Modern.
RG tron is a meta deck. If there's a lot of jund tron is a good deck to play.
Spellskite is probably the worst card in the main deck, but keeps doing just enough work to stick around.
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The more I played with the deck, the more it became apparent to me that lowering the curve is one of the most important deckbuilding considerations. The easiest way to lose is being unable to cast your spells, and I decided I would likely die more often because of having a completely dead six-drop in hand than lose games where I managed to get both a five-drop and a Birthing Pod into play.
As for the actual tournament, things went very smoothly for me. I dodged Tron and Scapeshift for almost the entire event, which was great because I had decided that even if I sideboarded a bunch of Fulminator Mages and Aven Mindcensors, those matchups were still very bad. Each sideboard slot is so valuable with this much tutoring that it just doesn’t make sense to devote the 8 or so slots you’d probably need to actually turn those matchups around.
So I've been playing a bit on cockatrice and to me it seems that I lost a couple of game because I couldn't get to my sac outlet, with that in mind, I've added Bloodflow Connoisseur which gets me another option higher on the curve. Bloodthrone Vampire is another option I'm considering just to have another option on a different cmc.
So I've been playing a bit on cockatrice and to me it seems that I lost a couple of game because I couldn't get to my sac outlet, with that in mind, I've added Bloodflow Connoisseur which gets me another option higher on the curve. Bloodthrone Vampire is another option I'm considering just to have another option on a different cmc.
I run 3 Viscera seer and 1 Bloodthrone Vampire. Bloodflow Connoisseur is not neaded as there are a small amount of 2drops in my list. However if you run 4xWall Of Roots and Ethersworn Canonist maindeck it could be an option.
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This is not how bans/unbans work. Its always the enabler that gets the ban, not the card that is being abused. If you would have Yawgmoths will + whatever cards - it would be Yawgs that would be banned. If you would have Stoneforge and batterskull - it would be stone who would be banned and that is exactly how it works. Furthermore, banning a card in order to unban a different card is a thought process that was and wont be never applied in practical means.
Hi, with modern becomming a fnm format i will begin to play it at my LGS, so after not liking URstorm due to its fizzle rate and not being an interactive deck, making it less fun and sometimes frustating to play, I´m now leaning towards picking Melira Pod. But at my LGS I'm expecting bad matchups for the deck mostly ( UGr Scapeshift, RG Tron, UR Splinter Twin). I'm thinking of maindecking 3/4 duress MB, I also can't afford to buy a set of thoughtseize. I know about Aven mindcensor, slaughter games which i think can be splashable and maybe Ghost quarter + surgical extraction, realm razer, fulminator mage... But I don't know how much hate i really need to be able to beat those decks consistently. I would be very grateful to all help you can give me, thanks in advance.
R/G Tron is almost unbeatable. It has better finishers and better clock.
Basically if you doesn`t combo on T3 - you lost.
Running LD maindeck with Surgical Extraction could help with matchup.
Splinter Twin is not the deck to be afraid of if running Linvala maindeck. Ghostly Prison also helps.
If you are running LD maindeck in order to beat Tron - Scapeshift shouldn`t be bad match up either. Kitchen Finks is the best card vs it.
Targeted discard also helps very good. Also - try not to pay life for lands, each fetch + shock untapped is -1 land they should fetch to kill you.
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This is not how bans/unbans work. Its always the enabler that gets the ban, not the card that is being abused. If you would have Yawgmoths will + whatever cards - it would be Yawgs that would be banned. If you would have Stoneforge and batterskull - it would be stone who would be banned and that is exactly how it works. Furthermore, banning a card in order to unban a different card is a thought process that was and wont be never applied in practical means.
Melira Pod is great all around. It is popular now thanks to Storm and Tron falling in usage and its good Jund matchup. But with Tron on the rise again (on MTGO), it might disappear again :/
I know that I play with Tron too, but I hate what it does to Melira
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It`s great against Jund and it`s a good card in general. Helps with the combo and the beatdown plan. The problem is: 6 mana is a LOT. I`m sure that he can be played and perhaps should be, but it`s too slow. With 6 mana you should be doing something game-breaking, like Realm Razer. I played with him for a long time, and liked him a lot, but most of the time it was too late for him to make a difference.
Congrats on the finish.
If you want to play a 6 drop, I wouldn't main deck it, the format it too fast for you to reliably casting 6 drops. I'd put it in the sideboard. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, is also another consideration, he allows you to combo off instead of having melira, and his other text is nice. Also sun titan is harder to cast, since this deck is only splashing white. You'd have to adjust your mana base, probably play 2-3 temple gardens instead of 1, and/or play a basic plains which is awful.
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Had Pod out. Pontiff in hand.
My opponent had a few x/2 creatures out. I played Pontiff, giving all opponents creatures -1/-1. I sac Pontiff to Pod, Haunting one of the x/2s. I grabbed Murderous Redcap, targeting the creature that was haunted, which then allowed me to give -1/-1 to my opponent's creatures again. This effectively wiped his board while I had Thrun ready to swing. It's an interaction I had never even thought of before. Me gusta!
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Why do many decks only run 3 Chord of Calling? I think it's the best card in this deck. I have no idea why not run 4.
Is Rule of Law only for storm matches?
Is Thalia, Guardian of Thraben worth 1 slot of sideboard? I think it's good against tron, scapeshift and storm.
Thanks,
Rule if Law is for Storm, Infect, and Eggs.
Ethersworn Canonist is better than Thalia (IMO). Scapeshift and Tron generate so much mana they don't really care about Thalia's tax.
How many Chords to run is open for debate right now. It's good, but it costs a /ton/ of mana, and it stops you from beating down for a turn (because you tap your creatures). It is a fantastic effect though. If you are focussing on combo and running Wall of Roots, I think 3-4 Chords are correct in Melira Pod. Your combo pieces are cheaper than Kiki's and the tempo loss is irrelevant if you win that turn. It can be clunky if you get multiple chords in a low creature hand, so some people only run three.
Chord isn't really the best card, it requires you to have a good board presence to cast it. It's really clunky and sometimes you cut them vs grindy match ups (like jund). 3 is a fine amount in the deck. The best card in the deck is birthing pod. You should rarely mulligan a hand with birthing pod, you can't say the same about chord of calling.
Thalia is only good on turn 2, and is extremely good turn 2 on the play. Since you only run 1 thalia you will rarely get it on turn 2 like other decks that run 3-4. And tutoring for a canonist on turns 3-4 is a much stronger speed bump vs combo decks. Also when you sideboard with this deck, you bring in a lot of non creature spells, which makes thalia awkward. Thalia is only good vs scapeshift if you get it turn 2 on the play. Otherwise scapeshift will just ramp and make the thalia useless, kind of like what goblin electromancer does.
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Basically, unless we have a good draw, Storm is going to win game 1. Not only against Melira, but against everything. But game 2 and 3 is almost easy, because we can bring in some devastating cards. And that`s the same against most fast decks: Tron, Affinity, Twin... Only Infect is winnable. Melira is so good because it can completely shut off the opponent`s deck with its sideboard.
Also, how is Dryad Militant working for you? I don`t know, she seems great in paper but turns out to not be so useful . I have her in my sideboard, but I was thinking in replacing her with a Burrenton Forge-Tender.
You're right about the militant, she isn't that great. The most value you'd ever get out of her is playing against a Past in Flames deck; Deathrite Shaman is strictly better for dealing with stuff like snapcaster and lingering souls. While it made it extremely difficult for him to combo out with her on the field, there's absolutely no reason to run her main deck, and while I'm not familiar with Storm's general sideboard, my friend has a very effective one: bolts, Izzet charm, and some other goodies. And of course, that makes G2 and G3 a blowout for militant.
As far as Burrenton goes, I'm not sold on him. I'd say my biggest gripe is that he's a one and done, and your opponents are going to see it coming unless you blow a Chord on him. With respect to Storm, he doesn't stop Grapeshot at all. I'd feel more comfortable with another Abrupt Decay or Thoughtseize in his spot.
Also, when playing against Storm with a Chord in hand, you can just lol at their wasted storm count by chording for Ethersworn in response to them casting their last ramp spell, before Grapeshot. It was news to me (maybe not you guys) but her effect is retroactive, counting spells that were cast before she enters the battlefield.
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Also, why did Tron fall and why is it on the rise again? It's another deck I find cool in Modern.
I don't think this deck has a bad game 1 storm match. It depends on your build of course. I have thoughtsieze main over decay (lots of storm and twin online, and it's better vs tron). I also have 1 canonist main. You can go turn 2 pod, turn 3 canonist, which is close to a lock game 1 vs storm. I also have 1 main deck pridemage to kill ascension (harmonic sliver hasn't been that great). Deathrite makes it harder for them to go off with past in flames or ascension. Also melira pod is a combo deck, you can combo off before they do. They have very little interaction.
RG tron is a meta deck. If there's a lot of jund tron is a good deck to play.
There's Pardee's deck that got 2nd at Tornoto:
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Forest
1 Swamp
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Godless Shrine
1 Temple Garden
2 Razorverge Thicket
2 Woodland Cemetery
3 Gavony Township
Creatures (28)
4 Kitchen Finks
1 Eternal Witness
1 Orzhov Pontiff
3 Viscera Seer
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
3 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Wall of Roots
2 Murderous Redcap
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Reveillark
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Spellskite
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Chord of Calling
4 Birthing Pod
1 Shriekmaw
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Obstinate Baloth
2 Lingering Souls
1 Baneslayer Angel
2 Dismember
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
3 Thoughtseize
2 Rule of Law
There's Andrew Cuneo's deck:
1 Razorverge Thicket
1 Temple Garden
1 Godless Shrine
3 Marsh Flats
2 Overgrown Tomb
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Swamp
3 Forest
2 Gavony Township
1 Dryad Arbor
Artifacts
1 Blasting Station
4 Birthing Pod
Creatures
3 Deathrite Shaman
4 Birds Of Paradise
2 Wall of Roots
1 Noble Hierarch
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Restoration Angel
2 Murderous Redcap
3 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
2 Viscera Seer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Shriekmaw
1 Orzhoz Pontiff
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Reveilark
3 Chord of Calling
2 Thoughtseize
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Aven Mindsensor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Burrenton Forge Tender
2 Dismember
2 Thoughtseize
2 Lingering Souls
2 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Qasali Pridemage
Sneakattack kid's deck
1 Godless Shrine
2 Marsh Flats
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Overgrown Tomb
2 Razorverge Thicket
2 Swamp
1 Temple Garden
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Woodland Cemetery
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
2 Murderous Redcap
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Reveillark
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
3 Viscera Seer
4 Wall of Roots
4 Birthing Pod
4 Chord of Calling
2 Thoughtseize
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Obstinate Baloth
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Realm Razer
1 Shriekmaw
2 Thoughtseize
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
http://www.channelfireball.com/home/feature-article-melira-vs-gp-toronto-2nd/
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I run 3 Viscera seer and 1 Bloodthrone Vampire.
Bloodflow Connoisseur is not neaded as there are a small amount of 2drops in my list. However if you run 4xWall Of Roots and Ethersworn Canonist maindeck it could be an option.
-pod from dryad arbor to get viscera seer
-find seer from ranger of eos
-get one back with witness/reveilark
-chord for it
R/G Tron is almost unbeatable. It has better finishers and better clock.
Basically if you doesn`t combo on T3 - you lost.
Running LD maindeck with Surgical Extraction could help with matchup.
Splinter Twin is not the deck to be afraid of if running Linvala maindeck. Ghostly Prison also helps.
If you are running LD maindeck in order to beat Tron - Scapeshift shouldn`t be bad match up either. Kitchen Finks is the best card vs it.
Targeted discard also helps very good. Also - try not to pay life for lands, each fetch + shock untapped is -1 land they should fetch to kill you.