I am looking to get into Death and Taxes! Are there any video primers and/or good videos of it in action either MTGO and at an event to see how it plays?
I see all this posting about intrepid hero, and I have to ask why not just play Mangara. They both basically have the same drawback about being a fragile 1/1 3 drop that dies to everything. Intrepid is obviously easily reusable, but the only tier 1 deck that is relevant against is Junk, if he survives their huge removal package of course. Mangara is also potentially reusable and so much more versatile against numerous other decks. Intrepid hero, fiend hunter, and Mangara all play a similar role. I have tested them all as one ofs maindeck. Mangara gave me much better results. The only time I would play intrepid hero over Mangara is if I dropped restoration angel.
I agree. I think it's far too narrow to play it main deck. While mangara doesn't have the same reusability, it is more versatile. I don't think either are right for us since intrepid is too narrow and without mom and karakas, mangara just doesn't cut it. I'd maayybe put the hero in the board if I was playing mono W. In my opinion, if you're worried about GBx, mirran crusader is the way to go for MD since it's a decent beater against all decks and the pro expands it's survivability beyond just GBx. But I personally don't run him main either though.
I see all this posting about intrepid hero, and I have to ask why not just play Mangara. They both basically have the same drawback about being a fragile 1/1 3 drop that dies to everything. Intrepid is obviously easily reusable, but the only tier 1 deck that is relevant against is Junk, if he survives their huge removal package of course. Mangara is also potentially reusable and so much more versatile against numerous other decks. Intrepid hero, fiend hunter, and Mangara all play a similar role. I have tested them all as one ofs maindeck. Mangara gave me much better results. The only time I would play intrepid hero over Mangara is if I dropped restoration angel.
Mangara hasn't cut it in ages. I think fiend hunter is the best of that bunch and certainly most in line with waht we wanna do, and I still wouldn't run it. Fact is if I want more removal, I'll add a dismember or something. None of these really cut it.
@herotime, I'll poke around, but there was a match at GP omaha I think that's REALLY interesting watching with DnT vs Amulet bloom. Alternatively, toward the beginning of this thread i think? There was a featured video including my build done by someone that goes over DnT and hatebears. Are there any particular match ups your wondering about?
Actually Sheepz, Mangara is awesome. Won me a match yesterday by being maindeck artifact hate when extra removal would have been worthless. He is the perfect singleton. So much flexibility.
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My Modern decks: Death and Taxes, Hatebears, Well Oiled Machine, Merfolk, Nyx Wave, Soul Sisters, Stompy, Matyr Proc, Naya Zoo, Robots (I refuse to call it affinity!), Bogles, Kiki Chord
The field was very strange, usually in this area there was a lot of ur delver, twin and affinity. There where a lot of unusual decks. I included 2 qasali in my deck that i could never use. Collected Company was a 2-off and was always good when i got it. Anafenza, kin-tree spirit didn't convince me in the past, but this time it was good (played 2). Dryad Militant was really good! This should be you go-to 1-drop (if you don't have hierarchs).
I think with all of the delve (while less than TC), Tasigur, Snappy & Gifts decks and life from the loams we should all have 4 Dryads in the main deck. Its too good in all of those matches not to be included currently, and provides a better attacker than the bird for now.
I also think that 2 Anafenza is a good amount.
I think my deck for the next while is going to look something like this:
Finks over Splicer to get infinite blockers with an Anafenza on the field and its better in the burn match up. 2 Eidolon of Rehtoric in the main deck to be more annoying and I'm willing to play Restoration Angel since it now means that with Eidolon on the field their removal is 100% dead when you have 4 mana up. It also randomly shuts down a ton of decks plans like burn & infeck (Dryad also messes with Infect big time).
I see all this posting about intrepid hero, and I have to ask why not just play Mangara. They both basically have the same drawback about being a fragile 1/1 3 drop that dies to everything. Intrepid is obviously easily reusable, but the only tier 1 deck that is relevant against is Junk, if he survives their huge removal package of course. Mangara is also potentially reusable and so much more versatile against numerous other decks. Intrepid hero, fiend hunter, and Mangara all play a similar role. I have tested them all as one ofs maindeck. Mangara gave me much better results. The only time I would play intrepid hero over Mangara is if I dropped restoration angel.
Mangara hasn't cut it in ages. I think fiend hunter is the best of that bunch and certainly most in line with waht we wanna do, and I still wouldn't run it. Fact is if I want more removal, I'll add a dismember or something. None of these really cut it.
@herotime, I'll poke around, but there was a match at GP omaha I think that's REALLY interesting watching with DnT vs Amulet bloom. Alternatively, toward the beginning of this thread i think? There was a featured video including my build done by someone that goes over DnT and hatebears. Are there any particular match ups your wondering about?
Not so much match ups I was looking for, more so general Modern play of it (in a competitive environment) to see it in action.
I see all this posting about intrepid hero, and I have to ask why not just play Mangara. They both basically have the same drawback about being a fragile 1/1 3 drop that dies to everything. Intrepid is obviously easily reusable, but the only tier 1 deck that is relevant against is Junk, if he survives their huge removal package of course. Mangara is also potentially reusable and so much more versatile against numerous other decks. Intrepid hero, fiend hunter, and Mangara all play a similar role. I have tested them all as one ofs maindeck. Mangara gave me much better results. The only time I would play intrepid hero over Mangara is if I dropped restoration angel.
Mangara hasn't cut it in ages. I think fiend hunter is the best of that bunch and certainly most in line with waht we wanna do, and I still wouldn't run it. Fact is if I want more removal, I'll add a dismember or something. None of these really cut it.
@herotime, I'll poke around, but there was a match at GP omaha I think that's REALLY interesting watching with DnT vs Amulet bloom. Alternatively, toward the beginning of this thread i think? There was a featured video including my build done by someone that goes over DnT and hatebears. Are there any particular match ups your wondering about?
Not so much match ups I was looking for, more so general Modern play of it (in a competitive environment) to see it in action.
I'll see if I can find a good vid cap program and film some of my matches with a standard mono white list.
I feel like there are opportunities for it to realy shine, but other instances where it is a very dead draw.
So far it's been above average. I like it against the current format a lot. I don't like losing to other creTure decks and this card has bettered my percentages against junk, jund, affinity, and merfolk so far.
Interesting. I don't get many chances to play, but the deck itself is definitely one of my favorites. I'm currently running a list still with 4 Icatian Javelineers, but I might change it to a 2/2 split between the javelineers and harrier.
I second the first part of the argument - Militant is bonkers atm. Sometimes she is a win on her own, especially as people appear hellbent on making Loam strategies work in Modern... About Splicers vs Finks - I think it's no problem to fit both unless you insist on running both angels.
I second the first part of the argument - Militant is bonkers atm.
I'll play her this Friday and see what's up. I just like being able to beat for one in the air... Flying isn't irrelevant.
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Currently Playing:
Vintage: WUG Noble Fish
Legacy: U Merfolk 0 Fluctuator
Modern: W/WG Death and Taxes U Merfolk RGW Collected Zoo BRG Jund Midrange W Idyllic Prison - Starfield of Nyx
Standard: nothing atm
I think right now, Militant is the better 1 drop. With people trying to play turn 1 Thought Scour into turn 2 Tasigur/Angler the militant can be an invaluable turn 1 play for us, especially with how it randomly messes up almost every other deck in the format.
Edit: Also if you are playing a few wilt leafs in the sideboard for the BGx Match-ups, it gives us a sweet 4/3 attacker for 1 mana!
Just filmed the first match I had. Not the most technical of matches, and I'm running a very bland monowhite build with familiars over dryads, if important I can post the list later. I am getting over a cold so I have a bit of a cough, just turn the sound off if it's annoying.
Just as a note, not trying to promote myself, this was ACTUALLY requested haha.
Is the deck reasonably cheap online? I've been playing a terrible tier 500 deck and could definitely switch and record some gamess of this for everyone.
Is the deck reasonably cheap online? I've been playing a terrible tier 500 deck and could definitely switch and record some gamess of this for everyone.
I kinda forget? I got it a long time ago haha. I can't imagine it's that expensive.
Btw for anyone interested, I'm happy to record more games, I actually would like to get at least 3 or so up there for examples. I did do a sick burn match, but i didn't have record on lol.
Is the deck reasonably cheap online? I've been playing a terrible tier 500 deck and could definitely switch and record some gamess of this for everyone.
I kinda forget? I got it a long time ago haha. I can't imagine it's that expensive.
Btw for anyone interested, I'm happy to record more games, I actually would like to get at least 3 or so up there for examples. I did do a sick burn match, but i didn't have record on lol.
Is the deck reasonably cheap online? I've been playing a terrible tier 500 deck and could definitely switch and record some gamess of this for everyone.
I kinda forget? I got it a long time ago haha. I can't imagine it's that expensive.
Btw for anyone interested, I'm happy to record more games, I actually would like to get at least 3 or so up there for examples. I did do a sick burn match, but i didn't have record on lol.
Yes please do
I'll try and play less bad hahaha. Maybe it'd be good to do a game where I actually explain my thought process, and why i'm doing what I'm doing instead of just circling path with my mouse to show I wasn't going all in against dredgevine haha.
Just a note for everyone, thiss deck is actually "reasonably" cheap online. Vial is 3.50 and next worst thing is path at 4-5is, which should go down with the next modern masters.
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I agree. I think it's far too narrow to play it main deck. While mangara doesn't have the same reusability, it is more versatile. I don't think either are right for us since intrepid is too narrow and without mom and karakas, mangara just doesn't cut it. I'd maayybe put the hero in the board if I was playing mono W. In my opinion, if you're worried about GBx, mirran crusader is the way to go for MD since it's a decent beater against all decks and the pro expands it's survivability beyond just GBx. But I personally don't run him main either though.
4 tectonic edge
4 ghost quarter
2 sea gate wreckage
2 horizon canopy
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Eiganjo Castle
9 Plains
8 non creature spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Selfless Spirit
2 Spellskite
1 Phyrexian Revoker
3 blade splicer
3 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Fiend Hunter
4 Flickerwisp
3 Restoration Angel
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
2 Ghostly Prison
1 Worship
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Sundering Growth
2 Plains
1 Forest
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Temple Garden
2 Brushland
3 Horizon Canopy
4 Ghost Quarter
2 stirring wildwood
2 Gavony Township
1 tectonic edge
1 gemstone caverns
10 noncreature spells
4 Path to Exile
4 Aether Vial
2 Collected Company
28 creatures
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Spellskite
1 Selfless Spirit
4 Flickerwisp
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Restoration Angel
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Ghostly Prison
1 Worship
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Concealed Courtyard
2 Godless Shrine
1 Shambling Vent
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Vault of the Archangel
2 Plains
1 Gemstone Caverns
8 Noncreature Spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Flickerwisp
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Spellskite
2 Selfless Spirit
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Rest in Peace
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Sin Collector
2 Orzhov Pontiff
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Worship
3 Brushland
3 Eldrazi Temple
1 Forest
2 Gavony Township
1 Gemstone Caverns
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Plains
3 Razorverge Thicket
2 Stirring Wildwood
1 Temple Garden
10 noncreature spells
4 Aether Vial
2 Ancient Stirrings
4 Path to exile
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Leonin Arbiter
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
1 Spellskite
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
1 Eternal Witness
4 Thought-knot seer
2 Reality Smasher
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Worship
1 Spellskite
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Hallowed Fountain
4 Seachrome Coast
1 Eiganjo Castle
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Moorland Haunt
2 Mutavault
1 Island
2 Plains
2 Horizon Canopy
1 adarkar wastes
1 flooded strand
9 noncreature spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
1 detention sphere
28 creatures
3 Spell Queller
3 Selfless Spirit
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 eldrazi displacer
3 Reflector Mage
4 Flickerwisp
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 leonin arbiter
2 Venser, Shaper Savant
2 spellskite
2 Rest in Peace
2 stony silence
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 ghostly prison
2 burrenton forge-tender
2 Surgical Extraction
1 kira, great glass-spinner
1 blessed alliance
Mangara hasn't cut it in ages. I think fiend hunter is the best of that bunch and certainly most in line with waht we wanna do, and I still wouldn't run it. Fact is if I want more removal, I'll add a dismember or something. None of these really cut it.
@herotime, I'll poke around, but there was a match at GP omaha I think that's REALLY interesting watching with DnT vs Amulet bloom. Alternatively, toward the beginning of this thread i think? There was a featured video including my build done by someone that goes over DnT and hatebears. Are there any particular match ups your wondering about?
I think with all of the delve (while less than TC), Tasigur, Snappy & Gifts decks and life from the loams we should all have 4 Dryads in the main deck. Its too good in all of those matches not to be included currently, and provides a better attacker than the bird for now.
I also think that 2 Anafenza is a good amount.
I think my deck for the next while is going to look something like this:
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
4 AEther Vial
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Path to Exile
4 Tectonic Edge
12 Plains
2 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
1 Aven Mindcensor
2 Eidolon of Rehtoric
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Restoration Angel
4 Dryad Militant
4 Flickerwisp
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Kitchen Finks
Finks over Splicer to get infinite blockers with an Anafenza on the field and its better in the burn match up. 2 Eidolon of Rehtoric in the main deck to be more annoying and I'm willing to play Restoration Angel since it now means that with Eidolon on the field their removal is 100% dead when you have 4 mana up. It also randomly shuts down a ton of decks plans like burn & infeck (Dryad also messes with Infect big time).
Not so much match ups I was looking for, more so general Modern play of it (in a competitive environment) to see it in action.
I'll see if I can find a good vid cap program and film some of my matches with a standard mono white list.
I feel like there are opportunities for it to realy shine, but other instances where it is a very dead draw.
So far it's been above average. I like it against the current format a lot. I don't like losing to other creTure decks and this card has bettered my percentages against junk, jund, affinity, and merfolk so far.
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I'll play her this Friday and see what's up. I just like being able to beat for one in the air... Flying isn't irrelevant.
Vintage: WUG Noble Fish
Legacy: U Merfolk 0 Fluctuator
Modern: W/WG Death and Taxes U Merfolk RGW Collected Zoo BRG Jund Midrange W Idyllic Prison - Starfield of Nyx
Standard: nothing atm
Edit: Also if you are playing a few wilt leafs in the sideboard for the BGx Match-ups, it gives us a sweet 4/3 attacker for 1 mana!
Death and Taxes vs Dredgevine
Just filmed the first match I had. Not the most technical of matches, and I'm running a very bland monowhite build with familiars over dryads, if important I can post the list later. I am getting over a cold so I have a bit of a cough, just turn the sound off if it's annoying.
Just as a note, not trying to promote myself, this was ACTUALLY requested haha.
I kinda forget? I got it a long time ago haha. I can't imagine it's that expensive.
Btw for anyone interested, I'm happy to record more games, I actually would like to get at least 3 or so up there for examples. I did do a sick burn match, but i didn't have record on lol.
Yes please do
I'll try and play less bad hahaha. Maybe it'd be good to do a game where I actually explain my thought process, and why i'm doing what I'm doing instead of just circling path with my mouse to show I wasn't going all in against dredgevine haha.