The list is tight but this card could potentially break open the whole game on turn 3.
Turn 1: Thoughtseize / Duress / IOK removing any imminent threats. Or Raven's Crime.
Turn 2: Waste Not
Turn 3: Liliana +1, they pitch a land. You add BB then cast Raven's Crime and possibly Retrace it to seal the game?
This could open the deck up to entirely new cards like Delirium Skeins and Stupor. Any way it plays out, this card adds serious value to everything 8Rack already does. And am I right about these things stacking?
Amazing things are in store for us.
I'll find space for this card. If anything the deck has the options to toy around a bit. The create a creature part might make Bridge less important.
We may want to look at Liliana's Caress with this card. In theory you could machine gun people out of nowhere. Sadly we may be waiting for a few years.
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The list is tight but this card could potentially break open the whole game on turn 3.
Turn 1: Thoughtseize / Duress / IOK removing any imminent threats. Or Raven's Crime.
Turn 2: Waste Not
Turn 3: Liliana +1, they pitch a land. You add BB then cast Raven's Crime and possibly Retrace it to seal the game?
This could open the deck up to entirely new cards like Delirium Skeins and Stupor. Any way it plays out, this card adds serious value to everything 8Rack already does. And am I right about these things stacking?
Amazing things are in store for us.
I m leaning toward think Waste Not can be an all star in 8 Rec but as a sideboard card...
Against control and agro
Control: your op will start countering every discard spell you play opening to you the chance of playing a liliana for the win
Agro: Will easily put 2/2 tokens to trade with your op until you draw a bridge
Waste Not seems like it would be a direct replacement for two (2) Shrieking Affliction. Anymore than that for testing purposes seems highly suspect as the deck has so few flex slots.
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My Modern decks: B/R/G Living End G/R/B G/R Tron R/G U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
That B/R Discard/Burn deck was pretty heavy on cards like Waste Not, maybe some hybrid of Discard/Burn & 8Rack could be good. Link to the Discard/Burn deck is here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=404714
Who knows, Waste Not combos with a lot of stuff (any draw & discard effects/Wheel of Fortune style cards - and there are a LOT of those in MTG, just that most aren't good enough to see play)
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That B/R Discard/Burn deck was pretty heavy on cards like Waste Not, maybe some hybrid of Discard/Burn & 8Rack could be good. Link to the Discard/Burn deck is here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=404714
Who knows, Waste Not combos with a lot of stuff (any draw & discard effects/Wheel of Fortune style cards - and there are a LOT of those in MTG, just that most aren't good enough to see play)
To get real advantage of Waste Not, 8Rack has to use blue as well. One particular card that is useful is:
Wistful Thinking: This gives a nasty turn 3 play after turn 2 Waste Not as your opponent has to discard 4 cards.
That B/R Discard/Burn deck was pretty heavy on cards like Waste Not, maybe some hybrid of Discard/Burn & 8Rack could be good. Link to the Discard/Burn deck is here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=404714
Who knows, Waste Not combos with a lot of stuff (any draw & discard effects/Wheel of Fortune style cards - and there are a LOT of those in MTG, just that most aren't good enough to see play)
Originally I was going to post a BR 8Rack with reforge the soul, but then I remembered that defeats the whole win con lol
That's said a Grixis build with burn, discard, deck fixing, and/or counter magic could totally be built around that thing.
All that nonsense aside, the INSANE efficiency and utility of combining DRS with Waste Not is just delicious. DRS and Waste Not can pump out aggression from so many angles, color me excited!
Originally I was going to post a BR 8Rack with reforge the soul, but then I remembered that defeats the whole win con lol
That's said a Grixis build with burn, discard, deck fixing, and/or counter magic could totally be built around that thing.
All that nonsense aside, the INSANE efficiency and utility of combining DRS with Waste Not is just delicious. DRS and Waste Not can pump out aggression from so many angles, color me excited!
I favour white splash at the mo for 8 rack. I use a smallpox centered build with lingering souls having a reasonable synergy with both lilly and smallpox as well as ensnaring bridge. Waste not would be great in that build - if only enlightened tutor were reprinted. I think waste not has potential but can't be just thrown in to a build. The existence of this card is a worry in that they will have to be extra careful not to give us good toys to go with it.
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So I love waste not, the potential is unreal for 8rack. Now I am going to have too disagree with the assessment on where its place is in the deck. I feel the flex slot (usually containing wrench mind, duress, blackmail, or smallpox being the best in my testing) is where waste not should be placed. We can bait the board hate from jund and tron, while also creating pressure. I also feel however they may never create a card this good, and they just test it and find it to be way too powerful.
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Modern: B 8Rack RX Goblins BG Elves (Attempting) UBW Mill G Stompy UB Tezzerator
Legacy: W Stax
...and in the opinion of the people who make the game that I like. Anyways use it all you like I make no judgments about what other ppl do. It's just a personal choice.
I'll find space for this card. If anything the deck has the options to toy around a bit. The create a creature part might make Bridge less important.
We may want to look at Liliana's Caress with this card. In theory you could machine gun people out of nowhere. Sadly we may be waiting for a few years.
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Smallpox does very little against control builds. They pack more lands than you do. So having them top decking for lands is baaad mmmkay.
My Modern decks:
B/R/G Living End G/R/B
G/R Tron R/G
U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U
R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
I m leaning toward think Waste Not can be an all star in 8 Rec but as a sideboard card...
Against control and agro
Control: your op will start countering every discard spell you play opening to you the chance of playing a liliana for the win
Agro: Will easily put 2/2 tokens to trade with your op until you draw a bridge
Maybe add 1-2 waste not to main board.
My Modern decks:
B/R/G Living End G/R/B
G/R Tron R/G
U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U
R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
Who knows, Waste Not combos with a lot of stuff (any draw & discard effects/Wheel of Fortune style cards - and there are a LOT of those in MTG, just that most aren't good enough to see play)
It's an updated version of Brawl into an epic, new game.
To get real advantage of Waste Not, 8Rack has to use blue as well. One particular card that is useful is:
Wistful Thinking: This gives a nasty turn 3 play after turn 2 Waste Not as your opponent has to discard 4 cards.
Originally I was going to post a BR 8Rack with reforge the soul, but then I remembered that defeats the whole win con lol
That's said a Grixis build with burn, discard, deck fixing, and/or counter magic could totally be built around that thing.
All that nonsense aside, the INSANE efficiency and utility of combining DRS with Waste Not is just delicious. DRS and Waste Not can pump out aggression from so many angles, color me excited!
I favour white splash at the mo for 8 rack. I use a smallpox centered build with lingering souls having a reasonable synergy with both lilly and smallpox as well as ensnaring bridge. Waste not would be great in that build - if only enlightened tutor were reprinted. I think waste not has potential but can't be just thrown in to a build. The existence of this card is a worry in that they will have to be extra careful not to give us good toys to go with it.
Modern:
B 8Rack
RX Goblins
BG Elves (Attempting)
UBW Mill
G Stompy
UB Tezzerator
Legacy:
W Stax
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Test it on Cockatrice.
Situations like this make me wish I could use that program. Can't do it though =/
I wish they had some kind of a test bed area in MTGO.
How do I find it on Cockatrice?
I used a new app called "biro" or "pen".
Works really well.:)
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Why's that?
Legacy: UBRG Czech Pile, WWW Death & Taxes, many other things
Modern: UBR Grixis, RWG Burn, UR UR Storm, BBB 8 Rack, whatever other control deck I can force
Multiplayer EDH: RR Norin the Wary, UU Barrin, Master Wizard, UB Wrexial, the Risen Deep, GR Borborygmos, Enraged
It's illegal.
In your opinion.
My Modern decks:
B/R/G Living End G/R/B
G/R Tron R/G
U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U
R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
...and in the opinion of the people who make the game that I like. Anyways use it all you like I make no judgments about what other ppl do. It's just a personal choice.