this is pretty derpy, and not even exactly 8rack considering there's no afflictions--but the scrolls, in addition to being tutorable alongside the titular the rack, can act as an instant speed lock (add academy ruins) AND can give the same 3 life loss as affliction (as long as they don't kill your mutavault).
it's not as efficient as actual 8rack, or have all the synergies one would expect from a trinket mage toolbox a la tezzerator, but there are some really fun interactions, the ruins also gives some resiliency against artifact hate, it packs a lot of discard, and maindeck hate, the discard lock is achievable during opponent's draw step... it's fun as heck, but nowhere near competitive.
this is pretty derpy, and not even exactly 8rack considering there's no afflictions--but the scrolls, in addition to being tutorable alongside the titular the rack, can act as an instant speed lock (add academy ruins) AND can give the same 3 life loss as affliction (as long as they don't kill your mutavault).
it's not as efficient as actual 8rack, or have all the synergies one would expect from a trinket mage toolbox a la tezzerator, but there are some really fun interactions, the ruins also gives some resiliency against artifact hate, it packs a lot of discard, and maindeck hate, the discard lock is achievable during opponent's draw step... it's fun as heck, but nowhere near competitive.
Love the weird artifact flavor, how is it doing for you? I feel like there isn't enough damage being dealt...it's just so handy having two sources, one of which isn't an artifact.
Love the weird artifact flavor, how is it doing for you? I feel like there isn't enough damage being dealt...it's just so handy having two sources, one of which isn't an artifact.
Since he has scroll he can do 3 with a Muty in play
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this is pretty derpy, and not even exactly 8rack considering there's no afflictions--but the scrolls, in addition to being tutorable alongside the titular the rack, can act as an instant speed lock (add academy ruins) AND can give the same 3 life loss as affliction (as long as they don't kill your mutavault).
it's not as efficient as actual 8rack, or have all the synergies one would expect from a trinket mage toolbox a la tezzerator, but there are some really fun interactions, the ruins also gives some resiliency against artifact hate, it packs a lot of discard, and maindeck hate, the discard lock is achievable during opponent's draw step... it's fun as heck, but nowhere near competitive.
What you have here is a combo of 8Rack and Tezzerator. Tezzerator is a really fun deck. +1 fun from me.
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My Modern decks: B/R/G Living End G/R/B G/R Tron R/G U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
well, even though the curve stays pretty darn low, and there's tons of 1cc plays... the scroll-lock takes a whopping SIX lands (2 to activate ruins, ruins itself, 1 to animate mutavault, 1 to cast scroll, 1 to pop it). so having to save lands makes raven's crime a lot less valuable. thinking about taking them out for necrogen spellbombs...
the life loss from scroll is relevant WAY more than you'd think for a derpy little "combo"--i've won games without a rack or a liliana before.
i've also had mutavault bolted/pathed in response. a lot. i also frequently wish everything didn't cost 1, if only because i really want to find room for a chalice of the void.
So they costed the new You Make the Card card well. I think it was pretty clear that 1CMC was too low for this card, and anything above 2 would have been unplayable.
Seems like if any deck in Modern is going to play this card, it's 8Rack. Thoughts?
So they costed the new You Make the Card card well. I think it was pretty clear that 1CMC was too low for this card, and anything above 2 would have been unplayable.
Seems like if any deck in Modern is going to play this card, it's 8Rack. Thoughts?
Oh. My. God.
2cc.
2cc?!
TWO CC!!!!!!!
When I first read the card I thought it would be strong at 3cc, and possibly fringe playable at 4. But they made it 2!
I can already picture this card functioning in our 8Rack shell. The way I am reading this the effects should stack if you get multiples... I am literally dumbstruck at how efficient it is. This card will take this deck to new heights. WHEN WILL IT BE A REAL CARD?!
It should have been BB, possibly got dropped to 1B because of devotion. Anyhow it is still asking a lot to give up turn 2, also what cards do you remove to fit it it, the deck is very tight at the moment.
It should have been BB, possibly got dropped to 1B because of devotion. Anyhow it is still asking a lot to give up turn 2, also what cards do you remove to fit it it, the deck is very tight at the moment.
The list is tight but this card could potentially break open the whole game on turn 3.
Turn 1: Thoughtseize / Duress / IOK removing any imminent threats. Or Raven's Crime.
Turn 2: Waste Not
Turn 3: Liliana +1, they pitch a land. You add BB then cast Raven's Crime and possibly Retrace it to seal the game?
This could open the deck up to entirely new cards like Delirium Skeins and Stupor. Any way it plays out, this card adds serious value to everything 8Rack already does. And am I right about these things stacking?
Yes, you are.
Incidentally, this might push Blackmail into mainboard. Being able to cherrypick how you'll continue magical happy valuetown (which this card is) is fantastic.
I just watched the low price of Thoughtseize jump by about 3 or 4 dollars on TCG player due to Waste Not. I blame this deck in part. I hope it falls back down a little.
you can just imagine what the legacy pox forum is thinking about waste not. Good times ahead, guys n girls. B1 seems wrong to me. BB would be more appropriate and stop jund playing with our toys. M
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Does Waste Not make Funeral Charm better? You'd be able to hit them with discard even though they are down to one card.
You have a 33% chance that Funeral Charm will hit a land. Which means Waste Not is wasted You have nothing to use the mana on. If you hit a noncreature, nonland card, the card drawn can allow an opponent to attack.
I think that Delirium Skeins and Stupor would be a fine fit in the deck with Waste Not. But the turns where using Skeins would require discarding a Liliana or Bridge are pretty awkward. Additionally, the three-cc slot is so competitive, how many would we actually be able to fit into the deck?
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Kaalia of the Vast (All the Rawr)
Azami, Lady of Scrolls (Combo)
this is pretty derpy, and not even exactly 8rack considering there's no afflictions--but the scrolls, in addition to being tutorable alongside the titular the rack, can act as an instant speed lock (add academy ruins) AND can give the same 3 life loss as affliction (as long as they don't kill your mutavault).
it's not as efficient as actual 8rack, or have all the synergies one would expect from a trinket mage toolbox a la tezzerator, but there are some really fun interactions, the ruins also gives some resiliency against artifact hate, it packs a lot of discard, and maindeck hate, the discard lock is achievable during opponent's draw step... it's fun as heck, but nowhere near competitive.
This is the kind of list I was envisioning when I mentioned academy ruins + necrogen spellbomb. It solves the weakness to topdecks.
By splashing U you might as well play with Leyline of Anticipation, it gives discard spells instant speed. It gives meaning to late game discard spells and also, Raven's Crime out the grave at instant speed anyone?
If they do, chances are they are going to hit a sideboard card or Wrench Mind or other card.
At least you have a finisher out.
Problem is that Jund just packs loads of hate cards that can hit out hand, life total, artifacts and enchantments.
My Modern decks:
B/R/G Living End G/R/B
G/R Tron R/G
U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U
R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
it inspired me to get to tinkering with this dumb idea:
3 scroll of griselbrand
4 the rack
1 expedition map
1 nihil spellbomb
1 pithing needle
1 engineered explosives
4 duress
4 thoughtseize
4 raven's crime
Tutor : 4
4 trinket mage
Lock / Disruption: 10
4 liliana of the veil
3 ensnaring bridge
3 dismember
3 academy ruins
3 mutavault
2 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
4 darkslick shores
4 watery grave
1 island
6 swamp
this is pretty derpy, and not even exactly 8rack considering there's no afflictions--but the scrolls, in addition to being tutorable alongside the titular the rack, can act as an instant speed lock (add academy ruins) AND can give the same 3 life loss as affliction (as long as they don't kill your mutavault).
it's not as efficient as actual 8rack, or have all the synergies one would expect from a trinket mage toolbox a la tezzerator, but there are some really fun interactions, the ruins also gives some resiliency against artifact hate, it packs a lot of discard, and maindeck hate, the discard lock is achievable during opponent's draw step... it's fun as heck, but nowhere near competitive.
Why would you dredge up a comment from 4 pages and 16 days ago just to crap on it?
Love the weird artifact flavor, how is it doing for you? I feel like there isn't enough damage being dealt...it's just so handy having two sources, one of which isn't an artifact.
Since he has scroll he can do 3 with a Muty in play
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What you have here is a combo of 8Rack and Tezzerator. Tezzerator is a really fun deck. +1 fun from me.
My Modern decks:
B/R/G Living End G/R/B
G/R Tron R/G
U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U
R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
the life loss from scroll is relevant WAY more than you'd think for a derpy little "combo"--i've won games without a rack or a liliana before.
i've also had mutavault bolted/pathed in response. a lot. i also frequently wish everything didn't cost 1, if only because i really want to find room for a chalice of the void.
it's been a fun experiment.
Seems like if any deck in Modern is going to play this card, it's 8Rack. Thoughts?
Legacy: UBRG Czech Pile, WWW Death & Taxes, many other things
Modern: UBR Grixis, RWG Burn, UR UR Storm, BBB 8 Rack, whatever other control deck I can force
Multiplayer EDH: RR Norin the Wary, UU Barrin, Master Wizard, UB Wrexial, the Risen Deep, GR Borborygmos, Enraged
Oh. My. God.
2cc.
2cc?!
TWO CC!!!!!!!
When I first read the card I thought it would be strong at 3cc, and possibly fringe playable at 4. But they made it 2!
I can already picture this card functioning in our 8Rack shell. The way I am reading this the effects should stack if you get multiples... I am literally dumbstruck at how efficient it is. This card will take this deck to new heights. WHEN WILL IT BE A REAL CARD?!
The list is tight but this card could potentially break open the whole game on turn 3.
Turn 1: Thoughtseize / Duress / IOK removing any imminent threats. Or Raven's Crime.
Turn 2: Waste Not
Turn 3: Liliana +1, they pitch a land. You add BB then cast Raven's Crime and possibly Retrace it to seal the game?
This could open the deck up to entirely new cards like Delirium Skeins and Stupor. Any way it plays out, this card adds serious value to everything 8Rack already does. And am I right about these things stacking?
Amazing things are in store for us.
Yes, you are.
Incidentally, this might push Blackmail into mainboard. Being able to cherrypick how you'll continue magical happy valuetown (which this card is) is fantastic.
Burning Inquiry. Mmmm. Crispy.
you can just imagine what the legacy pox forum is thinking about waste not. Good times ahead, guys n girls. B1 seems wrong to me. BB would be more appropriate and stop jund playing with our toys. M
You have a 33% chance that Funeral Charm will hit a land. Which means Waste Not is wasted
I think that Delirium Skeins and Stupor would be a fine fit in the deck with Waste Not. But the turns where using Skeins would require discarding a Liliana or Bridge are pretty awkward. Additionally, the three-cc slot is so competitive, how many would we actually be able to fit into the deck?
Kaalia of the Vast (All the Rawr)
Azami, Lady of Scrolls (Combo)
Standard
Bant Fog
Modern
8Rack
This is the kind of list I was envisioning when I mentioned academy ruins + necrogen spellbomb. It solves the weakness to topdecks.
By splashing U you might as well play with Leyline of Anticipation, it gives discard spells instant speed. It gives meaning to late game discard spells and also, Raven's Crime out the grave at instant speed anyone?