This guy goes in every event with the same list. I'm more surprised by the lack of Pyroclasm/Anger of the Gods in this meta. Seems suboptimal
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
They kill all the mimics and scions. Terminate the others
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Oh man. I'm getting really frustrated here. I have been waiting for my Thoughtseizes for over a week now....
Anyways i altered my list a bit. I am now running Compulsive Research over Think Twice and Amass the Components. While it is sorcery speed the cardselection is huge! It always felt good casting it and drawing 3. I went down to 3 Terminate in total to make room for another Languish in the SB.
Suffer the Past also seems like a decent card against graveyard decks like melira combo, Jund etc. Denying their strategy, burning them, gaining life and all that on an instant mana sink? Me likey.
Other than that i run some meta sideboard tech like Redirect because we have a Defenderramp into Banefire deck.
I hope i can take this deck tonight to FNM if my thoughtseizes arrived...
suffer the past is a card i have used before, won me quite a few games against burn i had no business winning. ultimately i took it out due to reasons that i forgot, i think i didnt have room for what i wanted. either way it might be a good thing to phase back in.
At this point, and with the way some of the Grixis control lists have evolved - more lands 23-24, less delve creatures, no Jaces or only 2, PKN etc - I feel like the only difference between cruel control decks and grixis control decks is 26 lands over 23/24 (but 4x Serum Visions) and cruel ultimatum. I still think that we can run Cruel Ultimatum with less than 26 lands. Maybe it is worth trying to compromise the 2 lists (since neither is putting up the best results atm)
We should be pretty well positioned after April 4th. I combined the Grixis midrange lists with cruel lists and I've done well.
On another note I'm one RPTQ Snapcaster and a judge foil Island away from the deck being all foil.
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Hi there Ultimatum fellowship!
I just want to share my actual deck list. It runs nicely on Cockatrice and casual tournaments, not tested yet on a big event.
I'm a big fan of the HARD-CONTROL (untap-draw-go), that's the reason why so much draw cards.
I need help against burn decks.
Hope you like the list!
Countersquall is great, but having access to U, B and R on turn two could be a challenge. You really want to go bolt/visions ,terminate/counter on the first few turns. Negate is just fine for these purposes.
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Here is my current list. I've been wrecking people with this, kept losing to infect so I added Forked Bolt and Izzet Staticaster. List is solid, but "Lil_Bolas why are you running a 61 card deck"? Because I'm an indecisive mother****er, that is why!
UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Also go balls to the wall aggressive against them, throw fire at their face and counter their walkers.
I've got a week off next week, and I would be open to getting our primer updated if that's what people would like to see.
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
i have beat g/r tron in a friendly match but damn was it hard. i have to say cryptics are our best answer against them preboard. I have resolved crumble to dust against them and still lost as well, but I also cast slaughter games naming newlamog afterward and won game 3. g/r is definatly not in our favor.
i played against mono u tron and i have to say its a lot easier to win against them, i play a teferi in the side. so much easier to deal with than g/r or at least the version i played against was.
against both shadow of doubt stopping early searching with maps was pretty good. late game it becomes less so unlesss they activate eye to search and you play it. it can also be used as a psuedo-sink-hole effect if they crack a fetch. i am seriously thinking about bumping shadow up to 4 lately.
other cards that help against them like lilbolas said are negate, hard counters, slaughter games(i believe, feel free to correct me if i am wrong), crumble, ANY planeswalker removal, some artefact removal(i play rakdos charm and vandalblast).
I've got a week off next week, and I would be open to getting our primer updated if that's what people would like to see.
People would like to see it. If you need any help on anything you can PM me although next week will be crazy busy for me maybe I can find an hour or two to get some text together.
If anybody wants to make a "Cruel" banner please PM me. I've got the process started for taking over the primer.
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
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Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Anyways i altered my list a bit. I am now running Compulsive Research over Think Twice and Amass the Components. While it is sorcery speed the cardselection is huge! It always felt good casting it and drawing 3. I went down to 3 Terminate in total to make room for another Languish in the SB.
Suffer the Past also seems like a decent card against graveyard decks like melira combo, Jund etc. Denying their strategy, burning them, gaining life and all that on an instant mana sink? Me likey.
Other than that i run some meta sideboard tech like Redirect because we have a Defenderramp into Banefire deck.
I hope i can take this deck tonight to FNM if my thoughtseizes arrived...
BRGJundGRB
GCTronCG
WBRMardu PyromancerRBW
Legacy:
GElvesG
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
I do (academic) research on video games and archaeology! You can check out my open access book here: https://www.sidestone.com/books/the-interactive-past
On another note I'm one RPTQ Snapcaster and a judge foil Island away from the deck being all foil.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
I just want to share my actual deck list. It runs nicely on Cockatrice and casual tournaments, not tested yet on a big event.
I'm a big fan of the HARD-CONTROL (untap-draw-go), that's the reason why so much draw cards.
I need help against burn decks.
Hope you like the list!
http://deckstats.net/decks/21545/443639-warlock-s-ultimatum
(PS: I don't know how to publish the decklist as you do around here)
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
I do (academic) research on video games and archaeology! You can check out my open access book here: https://www.sidestone.com/books/the-interactive-past
One judge foil island and my deck is complete
1x Blood Crypt
2x Bloodstained Mire
1x Cascade Bluffs
2x Creeping Tar Pit
2x Island
1x Mountain
3x Polluted Delta
3x Scalding Tarn
1x Smoldering Marsh
2x Steam Vents
1x Sunken Hollow
1x Sunken Ruins
2x Swamp
2x Wandering Fumarole
1x Watery Grave
2x Cryptic Command
2x Electrolyze
2x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Mana Leak
2x Spell Snare
4x Terminate
Sorcery (12)
2x Anger of the Gods
2x Cruel Ultimatum
2x Damnation
2x Forked Bolt
4x Serum Visions
Creature (6)
1x Izzet Staticaster
2x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
3x Snapcaster Mage
2x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2x Counterflux
2x Devastation Tide
2x Dispel
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Keranos, God of Storms
1x Mogis, God of Slaughter
2x Negate
2x Vandalblast
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
To defeat tron you need more Cryptic Command and Negate, hard counters. Also I played Silumgar's Command,Dreadbore and Hero's Downfall in a heavy tron meta.
Also go balls to the wall aggressive against them, throw fire at their face and counter their walkers.
I've got a week off next week, and I would be open to getting our primer updated if that's what people would like to see.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
i played against mono u tron and i have to say its a lot easier to win against them, i play a teferi in the side. so much easier to deal with than g/r or at least the version i played against was.
against both shadow of doubt stopping early searching with maps was pretty good. late game it becomes less so unlesss they activate eye to search and you play it. it can also be used as a psuedo-sink-hole effect if they crack a fetch. i am seriously thinking about bumping shadow up to 4 lately.
other cards that help against them like lilbolas said are negate, hard counters, slaughter games(i believe, feel free to correct me if i am wrong), crumble, ANY planeswalker removal, some artefact removal(i play rakdos charm and vandalblast).
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
I do (academic) research on video games and archaeology! You can check out my open access book here: https://www.sidestone.com/books/the-interactive-past
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas