Jace is pretty good in this deck and he helped me pull away with casting damnations, bolts and cruels from the yard.
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I don't know what to cut for Jace though. And Clique is a really good card to leave outside. Even having it in the sideboard is not enough, I've playtested it.
Still, if you have a suggestion about what I should cut for the walker, i'd love to hear it.
I would say 1 Cryptic, 1 Remand, 1 Soul Manipulation, 1 Shadow of Doubt
Man, I haven't played this deck in a while! It was my first Modern deck also, and how I loved casting Cruel Ultimatum.
Despite the fact that I loved playing Grixis, I felt like I was at a pretty big disadvantage most of the time. Have many of you guys been playing in local tournaments recently? If so, how is it going for you?
UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
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UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Seriously? I consider infect my best matchup. Out of the last 5 matches I had against infect, I think I've only lost a total of 1 game. The only hope they seem to have against me is if they happen to go first, have a turn 1 elf, and I'm lacking cheap removal. Half the games they don't even manage to get a single poison counter on me.
My thoughts on Bolas/Ugin are that they're too expensive (there's still a difference between 7 and 8 mana). Meanwhile, Grave Titan is cheaper, and has synergy with Ultimatum and Kolaghan's Command.
Anyways, I ended up taking the list I posted above to the win-a-box tournament at my LGS. It was a 4 round tournament with a cut to the top 4. Beat G/R Tron (2-0), Infect (2-1), 8-rack discard (2-1), then lost to Naya burn (0-2). Made it to the top 4 and was fortunate to not have to play against burn. Beat Abzan midrange (2-1) and the finally beat Jund (2-1) in a really crazy match and won the box.
It really depends on how you build your 75. When I'm packing more discard and cheap removal infect is a breeze. My list was tuned to kill the combo decks in my meta at that time. Congrats on the win-a-box result. You should sell it for more cruel cards
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Honestly, I don't see where I would make any changes to my list (other than potentially retooling the sideboard for burn). And yeah, the tons of cheap removal makes infect a great matchup for me. I've a huge advocate for the Izzet Charms. They're cheap removal for creature decks, an early counter against planeswalkers or other nasty non-creature spells, or it can filter out extra lands/discard spells in the late game.
Need the UR manland and I'm looking at throwing the new Jace back in.
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-Nicol Bolas
My only suggestion for magicvanory would be on the inclusion of a mystical teachings. maybe move the anger or damnation to the side and put in the teachings. one card to take out if your going that rout would be the rakdos charm. Just my suggestion, i personally play a teachings centric list. i don't get to play it to often but i usually have a decent game against everything but fish. For some reason i always get my counter spells when they have a vial and no removal at all.
Bolas i am really happy to see i am not the only one still using keranos and mogis, must say the inclusion of devastation tide in the side could really help against a few decks. my only problem is i wish it was an instant.
You can try to mix in a Cyclonic Rift. Mogis is a beast, better than playing a 2nd Keranos.
Merfolk can put a hurting on this deck, but I usually break out the Ultra Rod to rein them in.
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this is true, i usually use repeal for that though. i do have echoing truth in the side as well. my main issue with rift is the the overload is 7 which against fish is a huge pain. consume the meek costs 2 less and gets rid of them. downside to that is that it needs 5 mana where rift can be used for 2 in a pinch.
I just cast Anger of the Gods and Damnation versus the fish.
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-Nicol Bolas
Haha it happens sometimes. I've found that this deck has all the power it needs to compete, the selection of cards in our colors is great.
Going back to Innistrad bodes wells for this deck; there will be lots of good U and B cards in that set.
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It's good to see some more activity in this thread. Our deck is solid and I strike fear into the hearts of my opponents when I sleeve up Cruel Control. I'll be destroying plenty of people in 2016 with this deck.
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I really like to play with mystical teachings at least at the store I play at. It allows me to play this very tool box version with cards like consume the meek and teferi and have these sweet one of sideboard cards like suffer the past and sudden shock etc. I've found that I have more success when I play my 3 teachings version than my no teachings build at least at my store. My advise is to ultimately play whatever you want I mean it is a cruel control deck so if the argument for a card is that at 4 mana it's too expensive well then we have a problem : P
The other reason I love teachings is it means I always have an out to blood moon as long as I fetch for a basic island against known blood moon decks my echoing truth I get from teachings can always just be a huge blowout to go end step echoing truth then on my turn have all my mana ready to cast my spells
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Jace is pretty good in this deck and he helped me pull away with casting damnations, bolts and cruels from the yard.
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UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
I do (academic) research on video games and archaeology! You can check out my open access book here: https://www.sidestone.com/books/the-interactive-past
Despite the fact that I loved playing Grixis, I felt like I was at a pretty big disadvantage most of the time. Have many of you guys been playing in local tournaments recently? If so, how is it going for you?
4 Fulminator Mage did work against those decks
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"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
My thoughts on Bolas/Ugin are that they're too expensive (there's still a difference between 7 and 8 mana). Meanwhile, Grave Titan is cheaper, and has synergy with Ultimatum and Kolaghan's Command.
Anyways, I ended up taking the list I posted above to the win-a-box tournament at my LGS. It was a 4 round tournament with a cut to the top 4. Beat G/R Tron (2-0), Infect (2-1), 8-rack discard (2-1), then lost to Naya burn (0-2). Made it to the top 4 and was fortunate to not have to play against burn. Beat Abzan midrange (2-1) and the finally beat Jund (2-1) in a really crazy match and won the box.
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UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
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UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Only suggestion I have is -1 Smoldering Marsh +1 Blood Crypt
My current list:
3 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Island
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Swamp
2 Steam Vents
1 Watery Grave
1 Blood Crypt
1 Mountain
1 Sunken Ruins
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Sunken Hollow
1 Smoldering Marsh
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Terminate
4 Cryptic Command
3 Mana Leak
3 Spell Snare
2 Electrolyze
2 Kolaghan's Command
2 Damnation
2 Cruel Ultimatum
1 Roast
1 Negate
1 Forked Bolt
1 Dispel
1 Mogis, God of Slaughter
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Dragonlord Silumgar
2 Dispel
2 Negate
2 Vandalblast
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Devastation Tide
2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Need the UR manland and I'm looking at throwing the new Jace back in.
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"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Bolas i am really happy to see i am not the only one still using keranos and mogis, must say the inclusion of devastation tide in the side could really help against a few decks. my only problem is i wish it was an instant.
Merfolk can put a hurting on this deck, but I usually break out the Ultra Rod to rein them in.
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UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
also what is the ultra rod?
I just cast Anger of the Gods and Damnation versus the fish.
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"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
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UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
Going back to Innistrad bodes wells for this deck; there will be lots of good U and B cards in that set.
Level 2 in progress...
UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
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UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays!
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UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas