Cinder Druid--Any more results from testing? I do really like the look of your build and I'm thinking of putting together a similar list. A couple of concerns/ideas though:
I'd really like to see some targeted discard maindeck--IoK or Thoughtseize. Those combined with the mutual discard from smallpox and liliana would seem to be very strong.
Also, withered wretch maindeck is something that I think could be extremely strong in modern right now, considering all the graveyard trickery. Perhaps it would have to be slotted into the sideboard, however.
Also, would Mutavault work here in addition to the swamps, or would that simply slow the deck down too much?
I feel like there is some potential here for a deck but there are a ton of directions it could be taken!
I want to build a relatively inexpensive, yet semi-competitive modern deck. While I don't really care if I go 2-2 in a tournament, I mostly care if the deck was fun to play and at least worked once, haha. When people think of "zombie contructed", they think of mono-B or maybe UB. I want to take a road less traveled and go BG. Green gives me access to power zombie cards like Glissa and Putrid Leech, while maintaining the great lords like Death Baron and Undead Warchief.
As you can see, this deck is dudes, dudes, and more dudes. Just in the spirit of zombies. The goal is to have more dudes on the board than my opponent and overpower them via lords.
Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
What do you guys think is keeping this deck from being more competitive?
Surely modern's mana base can support big black decks with a splash.
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Why don't you guys just run all lords? Like by turn 2-3 with all of mono blacks discard, u will have at least 1-2 1 drop zombies Gravecrawler Withered WretchStormglade Crusader especially with Aether Vial, i have been playing zombies or attempting to for about 3 years now. And so far modern zombies, unless your facing a mono red burn deck, rapes the format pretty bad, especially considering your grave hate plus hand hate. On many occasions i have been swinging for 9 on turn 3-4, and with pro black pro white guys? Its insane the amount of damage that can come from an all lord deck.
Heres my idea, i play and own most of these cards IRL and considering to take this to a modern tournament once my area picks up on the format. Heres my deck idea i am still open to anything side board.
Hi guys, it's my first post here, so don't mind me if I am posting in a wrong thread. I am a very very new to magic and this coming Sunday my friends are doing casual modern tournament with cards that we have, traded between each other etc.
I decided to go with tribal BU Zombie aggro deck, but I wanted to ask you what do you think about it.
I would appreciate any comments, additions, changes to deck and sideboard, any feedback in general as I am green to deck creation.
Also, at this point I won't be able to order new cards as they won't come on time, but I will list some cards that I will have available before Saturday (in so called maybeboard).
Here are the cards that I have so far in the deck:
Please let me know how could I improve mana base (I don't understand drawabacks of dual lands that much) and what should I consider for sideboard.
Only thing that I know there will be some:
* mono-black control deck
* Enduring Renewal metalcraft combo
* some Naya Pod
* Storm deck
* Superfriends with Venser, Gideon and Elspeth
* BR Delver
* one deck with Blood Artist, Blood Seeker, Suture Priest, Falkenrath Noble type effects.
Thank you very much in advance for any feedback and sorry for this lengthy post.
Some hand destruction would be nice, smother over doomblade with doomblade sb, i recommend thoughtseize or inquisition. Maybe like 2 basics blue? You need to blue land @ some point 9 swamps 2 islands would be good, your sb looks fine, if you can grab a Sword of Fire and Ice would be amazing. Also try looking up getting a Stillmoon Cavalier, pro white pro black flying first strike, amazing card, keep it in mind.
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Legacy: W Stax
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
This is a BW zombie build that tries to take the best advantage of the great cards in black. It's very important that the cards have good synergy.
Liliana and smallpox are great cards that can provide important card advantage, but how can we exploit them further? Discard Gravecrawler, Darkblast, extra vials or Haakon as just another step in the plan. Bob is no zombie, but too good not to play. With bob, fetches, and smallpox, your life total might be in need of some lifegain. Sword of L&S + the vault can provide this. I managed to squeeze in a couple Death baron as he is nuts with Phyrexian Cruesader, and can be vialed in as a suprise removal during attack or block. I really want to make a competative modern zombie deck, so please comment..
I like the idea however phyrexian crusader doesn't work with death baron because phyrexian crusAder deals DMV in the form of posin counters and counters not damage
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Graveborn Muse is also a great card. Why play Bob in this type of deck when a good card drawer exists?
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In case I didn't tell you, I don't care about your opinion I just want your facts. And not the facts that make you seem smart. I want the ones that are actual facts.
I've always wanted to try this in Standard, but the mana base is impossible there. Has anyone tried incorporating a white splash with the deck just to use Lingering Souls?
Just a quick thought with no SB built. I haven't a clue what's Modern's Meta looks like, I just took what we use in Standard and used better replacements. Please, comment away!
What do you guys think is keeping this deck from being more competitive?
Surely modern's mana base can support big black decks with a splash.
I think its the heavy use of lords. It seems that everyone are shoving lords into their decks without an actual focus of what their lord should be focused on doing and achieving their decks end game.
Graveborn Muse is also a great card. Why play Bob in this type of deck when a good card drawer exists?
Muse is a 4cmc spell, which means that the soonest you are gonna draw anything off of it is turn 5. Feels like too little, too late to me.
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Has anyone tried Fleshbag Marauder? How about Unbreathing Horde?
This is my latest build that has been doing pretty well.
I think its the heavy use of lords. It seems that everyone are shoving lords into their decks without an actual focus of what their lord should be focused on doing and achieving their decks end game.
Ok well the lords are what make zombies what they are, for example
Easily the 2nd best lord because it pumps and has deathtouch, with Stillmoon Cavalier? Are you kidding me, its easily one of the best removal combos, easy to stop however if they don't kill your death baron they ain't killing your stillmoon.
Such an underrated card, let's pump your zombies +2/+1 and make them cost one less, i rather have him than Korlash, Heir to the Blackblade just because he pumps.
Best lord for zombies, he makes zombies and pumps crazy.
I have made my deck mostly lords because my focus is to bring out some low casting creatures, Gravecrawler, Festering Goblin, Withered Wretch, and just start bringing out lords once i get 3 mana, why not? With Cavern of SoulsAether Vial, its hard to stop them...unless you combo off of course
I really don't think you realize how slow those, except Death Baron, make your deck and I'm mostly talking about people throwing more than 4 lords into a deck. Death Baron, and lets not forget Diregraf Captain, punishes or gives psuedo evaision. The rest slow you down, eat up mana, and die before use. Zombie's success, so far, is on the back of aggro, where land count is low and shenanigans come cheap. Holding off on your succession of beats for some cute moves will cost your deck and player, tournament results.
Easily the 2nd best lord because it pumps and has deathtouch, with Stillmoon Cavalier? Are you kidding me, its easily one of the best removal combos, easy to stop however if they don't kill your death baron they ain't killing your stillmoon.
Such an underrated card, let's pump your zombies +2/+1 and make them cost one less, i rather have him than Korlash, Heir to the Blackblade just because he pumps.
Best lord for zombies, he makes zombies and pumps crazy.
I have made my deck mostly lords because my focus is to bring out some low casting creatures, Gravecrawler, Festering Goblin, Withered Wretch, and just start bringing out lords once i get 3 mana, why not? With Cavern of SoulsAether Vial, its hard to stop them...unless you combo off of course
Your deck has a very flat curve, which results in you needing to use 4 of your slots for Vial, where as a deck that curves out well can use those slots for game winning cards. Cavalier is cute, but I would rather use my mana for casting more Zombies, or recasting them as it were. Undead Warchief is appealing as well, but if you are going to have a card that makes your other Zombies cheaper, you really want to be able to make use of it before turn five. Korlash, on the other hand, is never a dead draw because you can feed multiples to the one in play which boosts it and sets you up for bigger plays. Multiple Warchief require additional casting, and are really overkill in play in multiples.
I think the absolute most lords I would run is 6, but still prefer 4, and I think that any of the 3cmc lords are fine if the deck is built to make use of it. You should not just take out one lord and add another without other deck change considerations.
I'd really like to see some targeted discard maindeck--IoK or Thoughtseize. Those combined with the mutual discard from smallpox and liliana would seem to be very strong.
Also, withered wretch maindeck is something that I think could be extremely strong in modern right now, considering all the graveyard trickery. Perhaps it would have to be slotted into the sideboard, however.
Also, would Mutavault work here in addition to the swamps, or would that simply slow the deck down too much?
I feel like there is some potential here for a deck but there are a ton of directions it could be taken!
Here is a preliminary decklist:
4 Gravecrawler
4 Diregraf Ghoul
4 Putrid Leech
3 Lord of the Undead
2 Cemetery Reaper
3 Death Baron
2 Glissa, the Traitor
2 Undead Warchief
2 Skinrender
4 Executioner's Capsule
4 Putrify
4 Maelstrom Pulse
Land (22)
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Woodland Cemetery (*)
4 Forest
6 Swamp
3 Krosan Grip
2 Zombie Apocalypse
3 Phyrexian Crusader
2 Creeping Corrosion
3 Pithing Needle
2 Nihil Spellbomb
* - Probably will be replaced by Cavern of Souls come AVR
As you can see, this deck is dudes, dudes, and more dudes. Just in the spirit of zombies. The goal is to have more dudes on the board than my opponent and overpower them via lords.
Thoughts? Concerns?
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Surely modern's mana base can support big black decks with a splash.
Withered Wretch Stormglade Crusader especially with Aether Vial, i have been playing zombies or attempting to for about 3 years now. And so far modern zombies, unless your facing a mono red burn deck, rapes the format pretty bad, especially considering your grave hate plus hand hate. On many occasions i have been swinging for 9 on turn 3-4, and with pro black pro white guys? Its insane the amount of damage that can come from an all lord deck.
Heres my idea, i play and own most of these cards IRL and considering to take this to a modern tournament once my area picks up on the format. Heres my deck idea i am still open to anything side board.
2x Stillmoon Cavalier
4x Gravecrawler
4x Cemetery Reaper
4x Death Baron
2x Geralf's Messenger
3x Lord of the Undead
4x Withered Wretch
3x Undead Warchief
4x Thoughtseize
4x Go for the Throat
3x Smother
Artifacts
4x Aether Vial
Lands:
4x Marsh Flats
3x Cavern of Souls
4x Mutavault
8x Swamp
Modern:
B 8Rack
RX Goblins
BG Elves (Attempting)
UBW Mill
G Stompy
UB Tezzerator
Legacy:
W Stax
I decided to go with tribal BU Zombie aggro deck, but I wanted to ask you what do you think about it.
I would appreciate any comments, additions, changes to deck and sideboard, any feedback in general as I am green to deck creation.
Also, at this point I won't be able to order new cards as they won't come on time, but I will list some cards that I will have available before Saturday (in so called maybeboard).
Here are the cards that I have so far in the deck:
4x Gravecrawler
4x Fume Spitter
4x Highborn Ghoul
4x Phantasmal Image
4x Geralf's Messenger
3x Diregraf Captain
1x Death Baron
2x Undead Warchief
1x Phyrexian Obliterator
Spells:
1x Doom Blade
2x Go for the Throat
3x Mana Leak
3x Phyrexian Arena
Lands:
2x Darkslick Shores
2x Underground River
2x Drowned Catacomb
4x Creeping Tar Pit
3x Cavern of Souls
11x Swamp
1x Diregraf Captain
1x Death Baron
3x Doom Blade
2x Go for the Throat
1x Mana Leak
2x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Ratchet Bomb
4x Festering Goblin
2x Corrosive Gale
2x Steel Sabotage
2x Vapor Snag
1x Ratchet Bomb
1x Phyrexian Obliterator
1x Pithing Needle
1x Witchbane Orb
4x Dimir Aqueduct
4x Withered Wretch
4x Blind Creeper
Please let me know how could I improve mana base (I don't understand drawabacks of dual lands that much) and what should I consider for sideboard.
Only thing that I know there will be some:
* mono-black control deck
* Enduring Renewal metalcraft combo
* some Naya Pod
* Storm deck
* Superfriends with Venser, Gideon and Elspeth
* BR Delver
* one deck with Blood Artist, Blood Seeker, Suture Priest, Falkenrath Noble type effects.
Thank you very much in advance for any feedback and sorry for this lengthy post.
EDIT: minor correction in spelling and card links
Modern:
B 8Rack
RX Goblins
BG Elves (Attempting)
UBW Mill
G Stompy
UB Tezzerator
Legacy:
W Stax
04 Godless Shrine
04 Marsh Flats
04 Caverns of Souls
07 Swamps
02 Fetid Heath
01 Plains
Creatures 30
04 Gravecrawler
04 Diregraf Ghoul
04 Tidehollow Sculler
03 Withered Wretch
04 Dark Confidant
03 Death Baron
02 Lord of the Undead
04 Geralf's Messenger
02 Undead Warchief
04 Path to Exile
03 Inquistion of Kozilek
01 Thoughtsieze
03 Celestial Purge
03 Ethersworn Canonist
02 Disenchant
02 Surgical Extraction
02 Smother
03 ???
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Liliana and smallpox are great cards that can provide important card advantage, but how can we exploit them further? Discard Gravecrawler, Darkblast, extra vials or Haakon as just another step in the plan. Bob is no zombie, but too good not to play. With bob, fetches, and smallpox, your life total might be in need of some lifegain. Sword of L&S + the vault can provide this. I managed to squeeze in a couple Death baron as he is nuts with Phyrexian Cruesader, and can be vialed in as a suprise removal during attack or block. I really want to make a competative modern zombie deck, so please comment..
Lands 22
4 Marsh Flats
2 Godless Shrine
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Vault of the Archangel
2 Mutavault
1 Plains
8 Swamp
Creatures 20
4 Gravecrawler
4 Dark Confidant
4 Phyrexian Crusader
2 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Stromgald Crusader
2 Death Baron
Spells 18
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Smallpox
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Aether Vial
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Lashwrithe
1 Steelshapers Gift
1 Smother
1 Darkblast
Sideboard 15
1 Ethersworn Canonist
Modern:
B 8Rack
RX Goblins
BG Elves (Attempting)
UBW Mill
G Stompy
UB Tezzerator
Legacy:
W Stax
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"If you read the new deathtouch wording, and the infect reminder text, it is perfectly clear.
Any amount of damage dealt by a creature with desthtouch is enough to kill a blocker.
Creatures with infect DEAL DAMAGE in the form of blah blah...
So any amount of -1/-1 counters from an infect deathtoucher is enough to kill."
People's unwillingness to play Korlash, Heir to Blackblade. The card doesn't get the respect it is due.
Graveborn Muse is also a great card. Why play Bob in this type of deck when a good card drawer exists?
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4 Scorched Rusalka
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Bloodghast
4 Dark Confidant
3 Blood Artist
2 Geralf's Messenger
2 Fleshbag Marauder
3 Path to Exile
4 Lingering Souls
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Marsh Flats
4 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
2 Godless Shrine
7 Swamp
3 Pillar of Flame
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Tragic Slip
4 Shattering Spree
3 Surgical Extraction
Just a quick thought with no SB built. I haven't a clue what's Modern's Meta looks like, I just took what we use in Standard and used better replacements. Please, comment away!
I think its the heavy use of lords. It seems that everyone are shoving lords into their decks without an actual focus of what their lord should be focused on doing and achieving their decks end game.
EDIT:
Has anyone tried Fleshbag Marauder? How about Unbreathing Horde?
This is my latest build that has been doing pretty well.
4 Gravecrawler
4 Reassembling Skeleton
4 Death Baron
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Korlash, Heir to Blackblade
3 Fleshbag Marauder
Other Spells 14
4 Mask of Memory
2 Liliana of the Veil
4 Countersquall
4 Bone Splinters
1 Zombie Apocalypse
13 Swamp
3 Watery Grave
2 Bojuka Bog
4 Marsh Flats
3 Go for the Throats
4 Withered Wretch
4 Unbreathing Horde
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
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Ok well the lords are what make zombies what they are, for example
Death Baron
Easily the 2nd best lord because it pumps and has deathtouch, with Stillmoon Cavalier? Are you kidding me, its easily one of the best removal combos, easy to stop however if they don't kill your death baron they ain't killing your stillmoon.
Lord of the Undead
Brings back your zombies? EOT i'll bring back a zombie to my hand Aether Vial it back in, ty good day sir.
Undead Warchief
Such an underrated card, let's pump your zombies +2/+1 and make them cost one less, i rather have him than Korlash, Heir to the Blackblade just because he pumps.
Cemetery Reaper
Best lord for zombies, he makes zombies and pumps crazy.
I have made my deck mostly lords because my focus is to bring out some low casting creatures, Gravecrawler, Festering Goblin, Withered Wretch, and just start bringing out lords once i get 3 mana, why not? With Cavern of Souls Aether Vial, its hard to stop them...unless you combo off of course
Edit: Stillmoon Cavalier Why aren't people running this card?!?!?!?
Modern:
B 8Rack
RX Goblins
BG Elves (Attempting)
UBW Mill
G Stompy
UB Tezzerator
Legacy:
W Stax
I think the absolute most lords I would run is 6, but still prefer 4, and I think that any of the 3cmc lords are fine if the deck is built to make use of it. You should not just take out one lord and add another without other deck change considerations.
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