That deck there may just be too spicy for me to resist!
I actually played against that player at a side event of a GP with me on Grishoalbrand and him on Grixis Grishoalbrand. Super cool guy and I love to see that he's stuck with it (not a quitter, lol, like me).
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
GPS are kinda a thing of the past. They are really getting away from them. Pro magic is really taking a hit and honestly even pros like Sam Black that aren’t in the mpl are starting to look elsewhere at a living. Modern kinda took a hit when it was taken off the pt. Now gps will have no coverage and standard is really good. Might be rough for a bit here boys and girls.
Never a good sign when your top pros are skipping gps to go play on the scg tour.
dont forget to fill out the Ravnica Allegiance feedback survey on DailyMTG. of course its focused mainly on RNA and standard, but its open to all players and has questions about what formats you play and what you watch, etc.
i agree that no modern 'magicfest' (seriously dont like that name) coverage is dumb. however the only way wizards might change that is if they get the feedback.
on the other hand SCG is still providing top notch coverage content and trying to improve it over time. SCG gets better and wizards flailing around is business as usual.
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Yeah, its looking really grim. Maybe break time here.
It feels really weird for me to be thinking of taking a break but I was thinking of taking a break as well, kinda just lost some interest. I'm gonna be going to Toronto but might just take a break after as well
What decks should I be prepared for at the GP besides Phoenix though?
That deck there may just be too spicy for me to resist!
I actually played against that player at a side event of a GP with me on Grishoalbrand and him on Grixis Grishoalbrand. Super cool guy and I love to see that he's stuck with it (not a quitter, lol, like me).
Yeah, he's the inventor of that particular deck - ran 4 Simian Spirit Guides before Electrodominance was printed. I was never into combo decks until I saw that list, just glorious.
Anyone brewing with Vannifar? It feels like there's something there.
theres a thread called peoples pod in deck creation. Mostly just what you would expect but there are some people going for an infinite persist route with Rhythm of the Wild that is being brainstormed elsewhere.
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My Decks that have been BANNED
DRS Jund | Kiki-Pod | Bloom Titan | Splinter Twin | KCI
Anyone brewing with Vannifar? It feels like there's something there.
Lots, the most popular ones so far have been using 4 color with a Kiki combo or Rhythm for persist. I've been messing with Bant and BUG variants that have their own combos. I really like BUG for the interaction it offers, but the combo is weaker. BUG presents the possibility for two different combos, either using Melira/Finks/Redcap/Seer, or Triskelion/Mikaeus.
I've really been interested in the untap route going up to 5 for Corpse Conneisseur, then using that for a fatestitcher to get to 6 as it seems to be the only reliable way to do so. With 6 mana it becomes possible to get to double 6 drops by going Corpse, get Fatestitcher, unearth, pod corpse to 6, unearth corpse, get fatestitcher, pod to 6. But this requires 3BUU to pull off. Alternatively there's a way for 3 mana if you go corpse, fatestitcher, pod fatestitcher to Disciple of the Ring, untap, corpse to 6, untap, disciple to 6. This requires 2U on the combo turn which is way more reasonable as it leaves 2-3 mana available for other things, but it requires having cast 2 spells earlier (and still having them in the GY) which is a big ask for a Pod deck.
I wonder, if Phoenix continues crushing, whether anything will eat a ban and then what. At the end of the day, it's just a critical mass of dirt cheap spells that work together in a number of decks. If you ban Phoenix it's only a question of time before the exact same thing reemerges with another card in its stead.
I wonder, if Phoenix continues crushing, whether anything will eat a ban and then what. At the end of the day, it's just a critical mass of dirt cheap spells that work together in a number of decks. If you ban Phoenix it's only a question of time before the exact same thing reemerges with another card in its stead.
lets not get ahead of ourselves. the deck has done quite well, and the hype was fast and hard, but the deck is already showing signs of being suppressed thanks to run-of-the-mill format correction (ie sideboards and decks rising up to meet it).
if the deck is crushing events 6 months from now, after whatever wizards has planned for modern with the new mystery product, then the idea is worth entertaining. it certainly isnt in a class of decks like pre-ban eldrazi, which means it (should) get the benefit of the doubt until it proves otherwise.
plus its a deck that exists solely off the back of a splashy card from a new set. this leads me to believe wizards would want to keep it around because it fosters the image that they are trying to promote (ie new stuff matters, go out and find it!...)
I wonder, if Phoenix continues crushing, whether anything will eat a ban and then what. At the end of the day, it's just a critical mass of dirt cheap spells that work together in a number of decks. If you ban Phoenix it's only a question of time before the exact same thing reemerges with another card in its stead.
It's certainly a good deck but it can be shut down by quite a few cards, it also relies on a few creatures that are easy to kill by most removal in Modern and graveyard hate shuts it down hard. I ran into it a couple of weeks ago, a complete UR Phoenix deck vs my budget Gb Tron (I don't have the walkers and for the moment I'm running countery Kozilek instead of Ulamog, the rest of the deck is all there) and won 2-1, MD graveyard hate really helps against it, and Ravenous Trap is really useful both against Phoenix and Storm, Phoenix is good but it's nowhere as oppresive as Eldrazi, or as miserable to play against as KCI, even if Phoenix can have some absurd games where they go off and you just watch, it's mercifully short at least.
It's certainly a good deck but it can be shut down by quite a few cards, it also relies on a few creatures that are easy to kill by most removal in Modern and graveyard hate shuts it down hard. I ran into it a couple of weeks ago, a complete UR Phoenix deck vs my budget Gb Tron (I don't have the walkers and for the moment I'm running countery Kozilek instead of Ulamog, the rest of the deck is all there) and won 2-1, MD graveyard hate really helps against it, and Ravenous Trap is really useful both against Phoenix and Storm, Phoenix is good but it's nowhere as oppresive as Eldrazi, or as miserable to play against as KCI, even if Phoenix can have some absurd games where they go off and you just watch, it's mercifully short at least.
Not that I believe that the deck should be banned at all, I just want to say that Ross Meriam, one of the founders of the strategy, has claimed (and I believe him), that Phoenix decks don't shut as hard as we think with GY hate. Yes it is an inconvenience to the deck, but definitely not an auto-win, or something they must deal with. They have several lines to go around it.
Not that I believe that the deck should be banned at all, I just want to say that Ross Meriam, one of the founders of the strategy, has claimed (and I believe him), that Phoenix decks don't shut as hard as we think with GY hate. Yes it is an inconvenience to the deck, but definitely not an auto-win, or something they must deal with. They have several lines to go around it.
And he's right. It's impacted a lot and it's a major roadblock but it's not an auto win. Thing in the Ice and Crackling Drake don't care about it and Phoenix can be hard casted as an expensive bolt. That said, if you have GY hate but don't present a proactive gampeplan you'll still struggle against them. As long as you don't durdle indefinitely hiding behind a couple of hate pieces you'll be fine.
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UR phoenix is a deck with a lot of tactical flexibility, but no so much on the strategic front. its a deck that is difficult to pin down game to game because its mini-combos/payoffs ask for different kinds of answers; so its a bit like hollow one in that regard. you might bring in GY hate then just get dumpstered by titi flipping and or a huge drake.
also cant forget the other variations of the deck. that temur traverse build and the new mono-r build shows there is still space left to be explored.
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Well you can always play standard if you hate shuffling. They have worked hard to do away with shuffling effects in this format.
that is spicy
Tooth & Nail........Grishoalbrand....Living Dominance....Tezzerator.........Vannifar Pod
My Decks that have been BANNED
DRS Jund | Kiki-Pod | Bloom Titan | Splinter Twin | KCI
That deck there may just be too spicy for me to resist!
I actually played against that player at a side event of a GP with me on Grishoalbrand and him on Grixis Grishoalbrand. Super cool guy and I love to see that he's stuck with it (not a quitter, lol, like me).
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Spirits
Spirits
Never a good sign when your top pros are skipping gps to go play on the scg tour.
Spirits
i agree that no modern 'magicfest' (seriously dont like that name) coverage is dumb. however the only way wizards might change that is if they get the feedback.
on the other hand SCG is still providing top notch coverage content and trying to improve it over time. SCG gets better and wizards flailing around is business as usual.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)It feels really weird for me to be thinking of taking a break but I was thinking of taking a break as well, kinda just lost some interest. I'm gonna be going to Toronto but might just take a break after as well
What decks should I be prepared for at the GP besides Phoenix though?
I'm gonna be on Grixis Shadow
Also, I'm very much sure that they are aware people are pissed about the coverage fiasco.
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Yeah, he's the inventor of that particular deck - ran 4 Simian Spirit Guides before Electrodominance was printed. I was never into combo decks until I saw that list, just glorious.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
UBR Grixis Shadow UBR
UR Izzet Phoenix UR
UW UW Control UW
GB GB Rock GB
Commander
BG Meren of Clan Nel Toth BG
BGUW Atraxa, Praetor's Voice BGUW
theres a thread called peoples pod in deck creation. Mostly just what you would expect but there are some people going for an infinite persist route with Rhythm of the Wild that is being brainstormed elsewhere.
Tooth & Nail........Grishoalbrand....Living Dominance....Tezzerator.........Vannifar Pod
My Decks that have been BANNED
DRS Jund | Kiki-Pod | Bloom Titan | Splinter Twin | KCI
Lots, the most popular ones so far have been using 4 color with a Kiki combo or Rhythm for persist. I've been messing with Bant and BUG variants that have their own combos. I really like BUG for the interaction it offers, but the combo is weaker. BUG presents the possibility for two different combos, either using Melira/Finks/Redcap/Seer, or Triskelion/Mikaeus.
I've really been interested in the untap route going up to 5 for Corpse Conneisseur, then using that for a fatestitcher to get to 6 as it seems to be the only reliable way to do so. With 6 mana it becomes possible to get to double 6 drops by going Corpse, get Fatestitcher, unearth, pod corpse to 6, unearth corpse, get fatestitcher, pod to 6. But this requires 3BUU to pull off. Alternatively there's a way for 3 mana if you go corpse, fatestitcher, pod fatestitcher to Disciple of the Ring, untap, corpse to 6, untap, disciple to 6. This requires 2U on the combo turn which is way more reasonable as it leaves 2-3 mana available for other things, but it requires having cast 2 spells earlier (and still having them in the GY) which is a big ask for a Pod deck.
if the deck is crushing events 6 months from now, after whatever wizards has planned for modern with the new mystery product, then the idea is worth entertaining. it certainly isnt in a class of decks like pre-ban eldrazi, which means it (should) get the benefit of the doubt until it proves otherwise.
plus its a deck that exists solely off the back of a splashy card from a new set. this leads me to believe wizards would want to keep it around because it fosters the image that they are trying to promote (ie new stuff matters, go out and find it!...)
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Ugh... not this again. Not already.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
That's a little too soon..
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To be honest, I like the deck and what it does. My only problem with it is their turn 2 nuts that is really disgusting.
WUMiracles ControlUW
RUBGrixis Death's ShadowBUR
Overreacting much?
It's certainly a good deck but it can be shut down by quite a few cards, it also relies on a few creatures that are easy to kill by most removal in Modern and graveyard hate shuts it down hard. I ran into it a couple of weeks ago, a complete UR Phoenix deck vs my budget Gb Tron (I don't have the walkers and for the moment I'm running countery Kozilek instead of Ulamog, the rest of the deck is all there) and won 2-1, MD graveyard hate really helps against it, and Ravenous Trap is really useful both against Phoenix and Storm, Phoenix is good but it's nowhere as oppresive as Eldrazi, or as miserable to play against as KCI, even if Phoenix can have some absurd games where they go off and you just watch, it's mercifully short at least.
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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also cant forget the other variations of the deck. that temur traverse build and the new mono-r build shows there is still space left to be explored.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)