if wizards was purely focused on kci and wanted to pinpoint the most 'busted' card, it wouldnt be stirrings, it would be opal imo. people talk about stirrings as some power outlier, and therefore it should naturally be the target; but then just overlook that opal is even more of an outlier giving the deck consistency AND access to kills on turn 2-4.
either ban would have collateral damage, and if wizards cares about that or at least if you think they do, then neither would be very great targets. just hit the payoff card kci and be done with it.
given that it dies (very hard I might add) to any graveyard hate.
KCI is a large portion of the meta right now, but it will drop similarly to how Lantern dropped last year. Lantern and KCI are both very very high skill level decks to play, and once people start figuring that out it will drop off.
To give you an idea of how hard Lantern is; Luis Salvatto played the deck once at a GP and decided to never play it again because it was too difficult. Salvatto is one of the best players in the game right now.
Yes he was talking about Lantern, but the difficulty of playing either deck is the same. Just give it time.
Nothing is as oppressive as the Eldrazi Winter right now. Nothing is as dominant as Pod or Twin was right now. We have new hot decks at the top, and we have to take a deep breathe and let the meta work itself out. If it doesn't then I am all for a ban of something in KCI. But for the time being lets just pump the brakes a bit..
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besides you bring up skill requirement like it is somehow relevant in a decks objective power level. having to work harder to access a decks potential, as we see with decks like lantern, kci, and even amulet titan does work to suppress a decks presence in the format; so i will agree with you there. however it just means that it obfuscates how well a deck is actually performing; as in winning.
consider for a moment, for the sake of argument, that kci was this super high skill ceiling deck that IF mastered you could consistently emulate Matt Nass's level of GP performance. it shatters any semblance of balance in competitive play. suddenly any top level player, or just any player really, who ISNT working towards said mastery is deluding themselves into believing they are doing everything they can to succeed.
you see it all the time in video games like fighting games, RTS, mobas, mmorpgs, fps, etc. if it contains some competitive element with multiple options for play; if something stands out in power, no matter how difficult, it will eventually be picked up by dedicated individuals and have to be dealt with.
note i am not saying kci is this for sure, just rebutting your claim that some skill requirement of the deck shouldnt be factored into its potential ban IF there is sufficient evidence that it is.
edit: if it wasnt clear my 'doubt' was aimed at kci somehow folding to GY hate.
yeah sure, it just rolls over to one of the two predominant and most common forms of post-board disruption in the history of the format; moreso now than any time in the past. /s
So I've been in and out of modern for a while and don't closely follow the meta, and I've noticed that almost everyone thinks KCI is a reasonable ban target. Could someone explain to me why anyone would ever want to ban a deck that's 5% of the meta? I get all the drivel about win percentages and all that, but if the deck really is that good then there's no reason why spikes wouldn't be picking it up in much larger numbers than 5% to increase their own success, and that's not happening right now.
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If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
After the frenzy that the Modern community in general has whipped itself into for this B&R, 'no changes' would be a hilarious outcome. Bonus points for no changes across the board with no further explanations for any format.
So I've been in and out of modern for a while and don't closely follow the meta, and I've noticed that almost everyone thinks KCI is a reasonable ban target. Could someone explain to me why anyone would ever want to ban a deck that's 5% of the meta? I get all the drivel about win percentages and all that, but if the deck really is that good then there's no reason why spikes wouldn't be picking it up in much larger numbers than 5% to increase their own success, and that's not happening right now.
Because it's a complicated deck with very long and tedious turns. A lot of people just don't find it fun to play, so they don't want to take the time to learn the deck.
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After the frenzy that the Modern community in general has whipped itself into for this B&R, 'no changes' would be a hilarious outcome. Bonus points for no changes across the board with no further explanations for any format.
I wouldn't be mad about it.
Sure it would be time to finally unleash Stoneforge Mystic after her partner-in-crime Jace, The Mind Sculptor was already released but that's also pretty much it. I mean I also would be for unbanning Preordain but I guess with Phoenix being the new hot thing I guess we can forget about that. Thanks Arclight Phoenix
I don't support any bans currently so there is nothing on that front.
After the frenzy that the Modern community in general has whipped itself into for this B&R, 'no changes' would be a hilarious outcome. Bonus points for no changes across the board with no further explanations for any format.
I'm almost positive that if that happens, I will need to take a break for a week from the forum and just play Arena, because I will be incandescent with rage.
I don't support any bans currently so there is nothing on that front.
You legit think the format is fine? I cant. I cant look at KCI's win rate and top 8 conversion rate in comparison to its meta share, and say that its 'fine'.
Be careful about the graveyard hate thought - a deck maindecking 3 engineered explosives and a sideboard full of nature's claims doesn't care that much about yard hate. it's basically presideboarded to prevent it and gets even better after the sideboard
Be careful about the graveyard hate thought - a deck maindecking 3 engineered explosives and a sideboard full of nature's claims doesn't care that much about yard hate. it's basically presideboarded to prevent it and gets even better after the sideboard
Anyone claiming 'just board in GY hate' hasnt played against the deck. Period.
I still remember the rage when Death's Shadow showed up and was crushing left and right and now it's just one of the good decks and the rage has moved on to the relative newcomer.
Not saying the deck doesn't warrant a ban (I don't have the numbers or experience), just commenting on the somewhat consistent pitchfork and torch urges of MTG fans online.
i agree, modern and just magic in general is driven by community perception. its a series of hype trains and over exaggerated responses. modern has been perfect proof of that over the last year and a half.
so not only do we have bandwagoning, constant criticisms or baseless assertions at a level of meme status, but it works at obfuscating, or at least desensitizing us, if something may actually be going wrong. by 'us' i mean both players and wizards. pros and content creators are mostly all 'experts' in loose, often unrelated, terms; but are still given a disproportionate level of credibility.
it is what it is though, likely as much of a byproduct of a digital information age as anything else. on one hand we have access to staggering amounts of information to improve human lives, and on the other we have tons of people eating tide pods because it trended on youtube.
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Man why did nobody ever think of using graveyard hate against KCI? It was so simple? all this time? That's some revolutionary stuff right there.
Side note: I'm quite looking forward to the next state of modern thread. Imagine the uproar if wizards announces 'no changes'.
try extirpate with split second against it... But please be not angry if he response to your split second with Kci... Wait, it is split second.... Yeah he can do it because Kci don't use the stack. Then ask again why no gravehate helps easy
I don't support any bans currently so there is nothing on that front.
You legit think the format is fine? I cant. I cant look at KCI's win rate and top 8 conversion rate in comparison to its meta share, and say that its 'fine'.
Yes, I do.
I mean let's turn this around. Krark-Clan Ironworks is banned. Now what?
Then the format is suddenly fine? UW/x, BG/x, Humans, Spirits, Burn, Dredge, Tron, Titan, Scales, GDS, Storm, Hollow One, etc. all aren't going anywhere.
It's one thing to look at numbers absolutely objectively and say this might be better than others. It could be a problem.
It's another one when it becomes about personal enjoyment. When I play the game I certainly don't think "man those few KCI decks that I never face are way too good and ruin my fun". That's not how it works.
If anybody claims that a single deck that doesn't even has a high metashare is the only reason they are not enjoying a format and think it's not fine then they are only fooling themselves. KCI hasn't even shown to be a deck that suppresses certain kind of strategies. Decks like Phoenix on the other hand have definitely shown to annihilate certain kind of strategies. So you can ban KCI and it will do absolutely nothing because the format will be just as it is now just without KCI.
What an outstanding job! Well done. You have done something absolutely inconsequential instead of powering up other things via unbans.
If that line of action makes someone personally happy then whatever. I would only shake my head and shrug my shoulders in the face of it.
No, it wont be fine honestly. I posted a hypothetical, was mocked and dragged through a few posts over it, on what it would take to 'fix' the format, and yes I do mean fix, because I think its actually broken right now.
Now, do I want KCI dead? Not really, not at all. I want it powered down, but I unlike many dont want KCI itself to be removed because I believe Combo has just as much a right to exist as anything else.
There are absolutely more decks I would try and rein in so that I could enjoy Modern more that I do right now, but its not realistic at all to see that happen.
This is why (all imo) KCI needs to be nerfed, not killed, because it is THE clear best deck and its not really close as of this moment in time, and secondly we need 2 unban's, that would force the format to slow down.
Thats my ideal scenario, but people will call me out as Satan for even suggesting a few of these unbans, you should see how Twitter reacts to it.
No need to take things personally, this is just a discussion and as discussions on the internet go, a rather civil one. People are just not likely to agree about their interpretation of format health.
My problem is that so few people play it in my area because it is so expensive to put together... Standard and EDH hold sway, and modern is only a select few long term players. For me, format health is a much more basic concern
So I've been in and out of modern for a while and don't closely follow the meta, and I've noticed that almost everyone thinks KCI is a reasonable ban target. Could someone explain to me why anyone would ever want to ban a deck that's 5% of the meta? I get all the drivel about win percentages and all that, but if the deck really is that good then there's no reason why spikes wouldn't be picking it up in much larger numbers than 5% to increase their own success, and that's not happening right now.
Because it's a complicated deck with very long and tedious turns. A lot of people just don't find it fun to play, so they don't want to take the time to learn the deck.
I suspect that reason why no one here in my area plays KCI. Well, I guess it's a blessing that KCI never found it's way here.
The faihtless looting family of decks.. dredge, gds, and others are easy to find though.
No, it wont be fine honestly. I posted a hypothetical, was mocked and dragged through a few posts over it, on what it would take to 'fix' the format, and yes I do mean fix, because I think its actually broken right now.
First of all this type of comments really don't show anything. We get it, you don't like modern as it is (although for the amount of time you put posting about it and, I assume, playing, this doesn't seem to be the case). But what is it exactly that is and will not be fine. You constantly circle the same arguments about how Modern is and will never be fine basically unless Wizards does exactly what you want them to do. But what is that problem? What is not fine? And I am not asking for you to repeat your thesis, you've done it several times, but all of them it just seems more like a personal wish rather than a solid argumentation.
Now, do I want KCI dead? Not really, not at all. I want it powered down, but I unlike many dont want KCI itself to be removed because I believe Combo has just as much a right to exist as anything else.
Here again you are pushing the topic towards the personal/sentimental argumentation. "Combo has as much right to exist", there is nothing about rights here There are a TON of combo decks. Banning KCI won't ban combo from the format. It would ban a strategy that we can all agree is sitting easily at the top of the format and the only reason it hasn't completely taken over the metagame is because it is relatively hard to pilot properly. However for those who CAN pilot it, it is by far the best thing they can do in modern and constantly top8.
And I know, this is what you are saying as well, but the reasoning behind a KCI ban has nothing to do with "it's right to exist" or not. It is simply the case that it is the best deck, with a ton of potential to break again, just like it did with Scrap Trawler.
Nobody hates you personally in this forum, and if they do whatever, it's the internet, but man, chill out. You have posted several times how you are gonna flip out if they post no changes. It's just a bloody game.I think it is as much likely to get to changes as it is to get KCI ban/SFM unban. It's 50/50 for me really. I do think the latter should be what is done but you know, none of us is making the decisions and probably that's for the best (except for ktkenshinx, him I would trust to make the B&R changers). One way or another, just keep playing.
I'm of the opinion that Ancient Stirrings has got to go. Most people would say that the results of GP Oakland brought to our eyes the problem that is KCI. I would say that it brought to our eyes the problem that is Ancient Stirrings. That card has been overperforming at GPs all throughout the last year.
Four different Ancient Stirrings decks have won five separate GPs: RG Eldrazi at Lyon, KCI at Hartford and Las Vegas, Hardened Scales at Prague, Tron at Hong Kong. Amulet also came close, losing to (what else?) KCI in the finals of Hartford.
Wanna count PTs too? OK, then notch another win for Lantern at PT RIX.
Is there any other nonland card that's even come close to what Stirrings has done? I'm serious - I encourage anyone reading this to go dig through GP decklists for any Modern staple at all (Looting, Hierarch, Bolt, SV, Mox Opal, ...) and see how they stack up to our favorite green cantrip. The closest I found was Looting, with four GP wins (Dredge at Barcelona, Mardu Pyromancer at Sao Paulo, Grixis DS at Portland, UR Phoenix at Oakland). It's got nothing on Stirrings' T8 count though, and DS doesn't run it as a 4-of.
No, it wont be fine honestly. I posted a hypothetical, was mocked and dragged through a few posts over it, on what it would take to 'fix' the format, and yes I do mean fix, because I think its actually broken right now.
Normally I just read and never post anything but I had to this time. The reason this suggestion was taken so harshly is you constantly post twin would be an acceptable unban right now and be the correct power level for the format. Then suggest bans that nerf the entire top and STILL suggest twin with all of that as an appropriate unban. Funny thing is it does not suffer under any of the bans. This shows your bias and obviously people will react harshly. Either it is fine for the current format and would not be fine after everything gets nerfed or it would be terrible now and would need to have everything nerfed to compete. If it's the latter there is no reason to unban it because it does nothing unless the other bans are also done. If it's the former then the other bans are unnecessary or entirely self serving so your pet deck can be the best.
I say this while believing twin would probably be just fine in the current meta and wouldn't mind it being unbanned. Hell I'd probably be playing it. Which just makes it absurd to suggest huge bans then it as an unban.
Edit: Thinking about this further. One of these statements has to be false in order for the others to be true.
Twin was fine when it was banned.
Twin has received only side grades or mediocre upgrades while other decks have received powerful upgrades since its ban.
Twin will be powerful enough to effect the format and slow it down if unbanned.
I'm of the opinion that Ancient Stirrings has got to go. Most people would say that the results of GP Oakland brought to our eyes the problem that is KCI. I would say that it brought to our eyes the problem that is Ancient Stirrings. That card has been overperforming at GPs all throughout the last year.
Four different Ancient Stirrings decks have won five separate GPs: RG Eldrazi at Lyon, KCI at Hartford and Las Vegas, Hardened Scales at Prague, Tron at Hong Kong. Amulet also came close, losing to (what else?) KCI in the finals of Hartford.
Wanna count PTs too? OK, then notch another win for Lantern at PT RIX.
Is there any other nonland card that's even come close to what Stirrings has done? I'm serious - I encourage anyone reading this to go dig through GP decklists for any Modern staple at all (Looting, Hierarch, Bolt, SV, Mox Opal, ...) and see how they stack up to our favorite green cantrip. The closest I found was Looting, with four GP wins (Dredge at Barcelona, Mardu Pyromancer at Sao Paulo, Grixis DS at Portland, UR Phoenix at Oakland). It's got nothing on Stirrings' T8 count though, and DS doesn't run it as a 4-of.
The numbers have been discussed a few times within this thread, but Serum Visions / Opt decks are the next highest in prevalence for T8 GP finishes
Speaking purely for GP T8 numbers and nothing else, Looting isn't nearly as prevalent as Stirrings throughout 2018. If we compare all Lootings decks throughout the entire year to all Stirrings decks over the same time period, we find Stirrings at 27.3% of the T8 decks and Looting at 14.8%. SV/Opt decks are 21%. If you exclude the Team and PT events and look just at individual GP, it's 29.8% Stirrings, 13.5% Looting, and 21.1% SV/Opt. There's just no annual perspective where Looting is dominant at this level.
Just to clarify, if Twin was unbanned, I wouldn't hope for any bans, to address Pestilence57.
As to me taking it personally, even if it's just a game. I do probably take it too seriously.
Nice. This means we are going to have some bans.
If Wizards/Forsythe, and the rest, were actually on the same page as what is self evidently the 'correct' path, I wouldnt have many issues with the format, I somehow do not believe there will be banS, but I think a ban/unban (something out of KCI, and SFM) are likely.
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It is not, yet it claims the most Top 8 slots, as it is undeniable as the best deck.
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either ban would have collateral damage, and if wizards cares about that or at least if you think they do, then neither would be very great targets. just hit the payoff card kci and be done with it.
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besides you bring up skill requirement like it is somehow relevant in a decks objective power level. having to work harder to access a decks potential, as we see with decks like lantern, kci, and even amulet titan does work to suppress a decks presence in the format; so i will agree with you there. however it just means that it obfuscates how well a deck is actually performing; as in winning.
consider for a moment, for the sake of argument, that kci was this super high skill ceiling deck that IF mastered you could consistently emulate Matt Nass's level of GP performance. it shatters any semblance of balance in competitive play. suddenly any top level player, or just any player really, who ISNT working towards said mastery is deluding themselves into believing they are doing everything they can to succeed.
you see it all the time in video games like fighting games, RTS, mobas, mmorpgs, fps, etc. if it contains some competitive element with multiple options for play; if something stands out in power, no matter how difficult, it will eventually be picked up by dedicated individuals and have to be dealt with.
note i am not saying kci is this for sure, just rebutting your claim that some skill requirement of the deck shouldnt be factored into its potential ban IF there is sufficient evidence that it is.
edit: if it wasnt clear my 'doubt' was aimed at kci somehow folding to GY hate.
yeah sure, it just rolls over to one of the two predominant and most common forms of post-board disruption in the history of the format; moreso now than any time in the past. /s
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I wouldn't be mad about it.
Sure it would be time to finally unleash Stoneforge Mystic after her partner-in-crime Jace, The Mind Sculptor was already released but that's also pretty much it. I mean I also would be for unbanning Preordain but I guess with Phoenix being the new hot thing I guess we can forget about that. Thanks Arclight Phoenix
I don't support any bans currently so there is nothing on that front.
I'm almost positive that if that happens, I will need to take a break for a week from the forum and just play Arena, because I will be incandescent with rage.
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You legit think the format is fine? I cant. I cant look at KCI's win rate and top 8 conversion rate in comparison to its meta share, and say that its 'fine'.
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Anyone claiming 'just board in GY hate' hasnt played against the deck. Period.
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Not saying the deck doesn't warrant a ban (I don't have the numbers or experience), just commenting on the somewhat consistent pitchfork and torch urges of MTG fans online.
so not only do we have bandwagoning, constant criticisms or baseless assertions at a level of meme status, but it works at obfuscating, or at least desensitizing us, if something may actually be going wrong. by 'us' i mean both players and wizards. pros and content creators are mostly all 'experts' in loose, often unrelated, terms; but are still given a disproportionate level of credibility.
it is what it is though, likely as much of a byproduct of a digital information age as anything else. on one hand we have access to staggering amounts of information to improve human lives, and on the other we have tons of people eating tide pods because it trended on youtube.
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I mean let's turn this around. Krark-Clan Ironworks is banned. Now what?
Then the format is suddenly fine? UW/x, BG/x, Humans, Spirits, Burn, Dredge, Tron, Titan, Scales, GDS, Storm, Hollow One, etc. all aren't going anywhere.
It's one thing to look at numbers absolutely objectively and say this might be better than others. It could be a problem.
It's another one when it becomes about personal enjoyment. When I play the game I certainly don't think "man those few KCI decks that I never face are way too good and ruin my fun". That's not how it works.
If anybody claims that a single deck that doesn't even has a high metashare is the only reason they are not enjoying a format and think it's not fine then they are only fooling themselves. KCI hasn't even shown to be a deck that suppresses certain kind of strategies. Decks like Phoenix on the other hand have definitely shown to annihilate certain kind of strategies. So you can ban KCI and it will do absolutely nothing because the format will be just as it is now just without KCI.
What an outstanding job! Well done. You have done something absolutely inconsequential instead of powering up other things via unbans.
If that line of action makes someone personally happy then whatever. I would only shake my head and shrug my shoulders in the face of it.
Now, do I want KCI dead? Not really, not at all. I want it powered down, but I unlike many dont want KCI itself to be removed because I believe Combo has just as much a right to exist as anything else.
There are absolutely more decks I would try and rein in so that I could enjoy Modern more that I do right now, but its not realistic at all to see that happen.
This is why (all imo) KCI needs to be nerfed, not killed, because it is THE clear best deck and its not really close as of this moment in time, and secondly we need 2 unban's, that would force the format to slow down.
Thats my ideal scenario, but people will call me out as Satan for even suggesting a few of these unbans, you should see how Twitter reacts to it.
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My problem is that so few people play it in my area because it is so expensive to put together... Standard and EDH hold sway, and modern is only a select few long term players. For me, format health is a much more basic concern
I suspect that reason why no one here in my area plays KCI. Well, I guess it's a blessing that KCI never found it's way here.
The faihtless looting family of decks.. dredge, gds, and others are easy to find though.
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First of all this type of comments really don't show anything. We get it, you don't like modern as it is (although for the amount of time you put posting about it and, I assume, playing, this doesn't seem to be the case). But what is it exactly that is and will not be fine. You constantly circle the same arguments about how Modern is and will never be fine basically unless Wizards does exactly what you want them to do. But what is that problem? What is not fine? And I am not asking for you to repeat your thesis, you've done it several times, but all of them it just seems more like a personal wish rather than a solid argumentation.
Here again you are pushing the topic towards the personal/sentimental argumentation. "Combo has as much right to exist", there is nothing about rights here There are a TON of combo decks. Banning KCI won't ban combo from the format. It would ban a strategy that we can all agree is sitting easily at the top of the format and the only reason it hasn't completely taken over the metagame is because it is relatively hard to pilot properly. However for those who CAN pilot it, it is by far the best thing they can do in modern and constantly top8.
And I know, this is what you are saying as well, but the reasoning behind a KCI ban has nothing to do with "it's right to exist" or not. It is simply the case that it is the best deck, with a ton of potential to break again, just like it did with Scrap Trawler.
Nobody hates you personally in this forum, and if they do whatever, it's the internet, but man, chill out. You have posted several times how you are gonna flip out if they post no changes. It's just a bloody game.I think it is as much likely to get to changes as it is to get KCI ban/SFM unban. It's 50/50 for me really. I do think the latter should be what is done but you know, none of us is making the decisions and probably that's for the best (except for ktkenshinx, him I would trust to make the B&R changers). One way or another, just keep playing.
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Normally I just read and never post anything but I had to this time. The reason this suggestion was taken so harshly is you constantly post twin would be an acceptable unban right now and be the correct power level for the format. Then suggest bans that nerf the entire top and STILL suggest twin with all of that as an appropriate unban. Funny thing is it does not suffer under any of the bans. This shows your bias and obviously people will react harshly. Either it is fine for the current format and would not be fine after everything gets nerfed or it would be terrible now and would need to have everything nerfed to compete. If it's the latter there is no reason to unban it because it does nothing unless the other bans are also done. If it's the former then the other bans are unnecessary or entirely self serving so your pet deck can be the best.
I say this while believing twin would probably be just fine in the current meta and wouldn't mind it being unbanned. Hell I'd probably be playing it. Which just makes it absurd to suggest huge bans then it as an unban.
Edit: Thinking about this further. One of these statements has to be false in order for the others to be true.
Twin was fine when it was banned.
Twin has received only side grades or mediocre upgrades while other decks have received powerful upgrades since its ban.
Twin will be powerful enough to effect the format and slow it down if unbanned.
The numbers have been discussed a few times within this thread, but Serum Visions / Opt decks are the next highest in prevalence for T8 GP finishes
As to me taking it personally, even if it's just a game. I do probably take it too seriously.
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If Wizards/Forsythe, and the rest, were actually on the same page as what is self evidently the 'correct' path, I wouldnt have many issues with the format, I somehow do not believe there will be banS, but I think a ban/unban (something out of KCI, and SFM) are likely.
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