So Mox Opal. There are a few folks who think this is something that should go, but does that opinion stand up to logic?
1. It does have deck building restrictions. This isnt even Ancient Stirrings level of 'deck restrictions'.
2. It has hate that shuts it down.
3. Its 'just' mana, and its legendary.
Is this realistically a target for a ban?
I ask of course for selfish reasons. I maybe want a play set, but at $400+, and with no real replacement *cough* I would be really sad to buy in, and see it disappear.
I feel that opals would never be banned in Modern as long as no overpowered opal centric deck appears.. right now, opal helps a lot of decks, but those decks are not really broken in power level. Although KCI get's a lot of hate. Also many people did not like when Lantern was hot some months ago. WoTC risks killing a lot of decks if they ban this thing, which would be bad for their plan on making Modern as diverse as possible.
Opal is very much in need of a reprint. As the price has gone through the roof... sold my playset of them when they hit 60-70 each, now it's 90-100 dollars each. Funny, because the guy who bought them from me even came from a province to reach my area. Now that opals increased, his effort paid off.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If you've been playing Modern for 3 years and can't recognize the art of a Celestial Colonnade...
Even if it's the Buy-box promo version with different art, nothing's stopping you from asking the guy or a judge what the card is if you can't recognize it.
Why not start with some self-examination instead of accusing others of cheating in order to find excuses for yourself.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Guys, first of all i play since 18 years and not 3. second, UW players offen try to hide colonades lets be honest. This is calling unknown boardstate and they should say of colonade enter: "colonade"... Did they do this? If someoone call judge because of the lands they never understand why even they become warnings, like you two not agree, where the Problem is. What you guys think was the Problem of dryad arbor? UW seems trying 23 ways of hiding it and i think all lands which can be creatures should be seperatet stopping little Tricks and secret lands half behind other cards. This is for me cheating (personaly) like it was with dryad, even it is legal at the Moment. This makes feel Bad moments, especially for New players too and it is not healthy
It is true that in games, lands tend to get stacked together in a way that may be hard for players to identify from across the table. And UW control players tend to accumulate a lot of lands on the board so I understand how the lands could be hard to identify.
HOWEVER, that does not mean the board state is unknown, you can ask them to spread their lands out to see. For anything that's open information like graveyard, lands, permanents, exile zone etc they're obliged to let you look through them so you know exactly what they have. If they don't want to let you look, call a judge. That's what the judges are there for.
The 'problem' with the Dryad Arbor incident was that it was made to look exactly like a basic land. Nothing was being hidden.
If you're unwilling to make use of judges and systems that are there to ensure the games are played properly, that's on you.
Oh and you initially talked about cards of different language being cheating, and when that was shut down, you switched to talking about opponents hiding information from you and then talk about 'feel bad moments' when it seems like you just didn't bother checking. So it just seems like you're making excuses.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Can you stop this Please and talk normal to me without Attacks? It was now your second unfriendly posting. Thanks! For you, i won the match and i love UW as opponents, because i have a great match up against with 4 relic Main, caverns Main 4 tectonic edge and 4 eternal scourge. UW is my easyiest match and i am happy of more play this....but this is not the Problem, hiding lands especially in UW i See on the uptick and i think seperating for clear boards helps like we do now with arbor can help our game
Then why are you complaining? If you're playing against UW, you should have Colonnade on your radar, it's your own fault you didn't look for it before swinging in with a 3 power creature. Just play better.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If the UW player completely hides the colonnade under another land, then that is cheating. However, by your example that is not the case. The colonnade was there in plain sight, but only in japanese language. You could politely ask the player to let you have a look at their lands, before you attack to make sure there is no colonnade "hiding" there.
And as someone here already said.. if a player does not allow you to look at their lands, then call a judge.
Because it happens so often, so i think it is a systematical try of several peoples. Normaly i find this easy because i have enough experience, but it can happen like last time, especially in a mix of language, because we are only humans and nobody is perfekt...in the last time i See to much of this trys and i must to often say s an example: Please seperate it better, each week on each tournament....maybe it is good if we call EACH card entering of creatures lands should be seperate no matter of language? We should talk about this as a generell possiblility maybe and not about me only.
maybe it is good if we call EACH card entering of creatures lands should be seperate no matter of language? We should talk about this as a generell possiblility maybe and not about me only.
When I play a manland, it is there in plain sight. It is beside my other lands, not hidden. However, I am not obligated to separate my manlands on a pile separate from other lands. I once killed a Vampire nocturnus with a colonnade blocking it, because opponent did not read a colonnade is 4/4. He knew it was there but did not know the thing turns into a 4/4 - no takebacks, his nocturnus is dead. Also a time when someone attacked their Gurmag Angler into my Hissing Quagmire, because he did not notice the quagmire - it's just a part of the game. I'm not hiding the quagmire, it's right there beside a basic swamp.. they just did not pay enough attention.
an activated manland and dryad arbor arent the same thing. arbor is a creature all of the time.
also, as it has been repeatedly pointed out, the onus is on you to keep track of your opponents lands; just like you are supposed to keep track of their graveyard. its open information you can ask your opponent for at any time, and unless they deny you then there isnt an issue. different people have different methods for organizing their own board state.
you got goosed by an on board trick. move on.
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Yeah, like the trick with russian foil promo colonades between Expedition hallowed fountains...happened last weeks on pptq a friend of me and some weeks ago against the same guy another one of my store. It seems ok for you to be such a guy, but it is for me an Art of cheating and if we say it is not ok, so we have no skill and we can go on. Nice Tricks, but really? Is this the game we need?
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
There's an incredibly small amount of people who think this is cheating and I highly doubt you're going to change any people's minds here. Magic has had different arts on different cards for a very long time, man-lands have been a thing for a very long time. None of it is new. If you've been playing for 18 years you should be pretty familiar with it all of it.
Understanding your opponent's board is a huge part of the game; failing to understand the public zones is not your opponent's fault. I do find it rather confusing that you're calling out UW as an easy pairing for you but sore that you didn't recognize a Colonnade... literally their #1 win condition.
What's your solution? Ban all alternate arts? Change the rules and enforce some standard organization of the board? Neither are going to happen.
Yeah, like the trick with russian foil promo colonades between Expedition hallowed fountains...happened last weeks on pptq a friend of me and some weeks ago against the same guy another one of my store. It seems ok for you to be such a guy, but it is for me an Art of cheating and if we say it is not ok, so we have no skill and we can go on. Nice Tricks, but really? Is this the game we need?
You probably still feel bad from being "cheated" by colonnades that have ninja skills hiding among other lands. I've been playing actively since Zendikar, and have never met a UW player who deliberately hides their lands a.k.a -the art of cheating- or "23 ways to hide colonnade" as you accuse. Posting a rant like this at State of Modern thread is just going to get yourself ridiculed. So just drop it now ok.
There's an incredibly small amount of people who think this is cheating and I highly doubt you're going to change any people's minds here. Magic has had different arts on different cards for a very long time, man-lands have been a thing for a very long time. None of it is new. If you've been playing for 18 years you should be pretty familiar with it all of it.
Understanding your opponent's board is a huge part of the game; failing to understand the public zones is not your opponent's fault. I do find it rather confusing that you're calling out UW as an easy pairing for you but sore that you didn't recognize a Colonnade... literally their #1 win condition.
What's your solution? Ban all alternate arts? Change the rules and enforce some standard organization of the board? Neither are going to happen.
we should not live only in our baubble of playing magic, i knew players frightened entering modern because of this allowed Tricks of other, so i believe its a baubble and we cannot See what this means for New players. Solution? Call Name of card...put your tectonic edge and say tectonic edge while doing this. Or seperating man lands is another possible way. Nothing to ban here
There's an incredibly small amount of people who think this is cheating and I highly doubt you're going to change any people's minds here. Magic has had different arts on different cards for a very long time, man-lands have been a thing for a very long time. None of it is new. If you've been playing for 18 years you should be pretty familiar with it all of it.
Understanding your opponent's board is a huge part of the game; failing to understand the public zones is not your opponent's fault. I do find it rather confusing that you're calling out UW as an easy pairing for you but sore that you didn't recognize a Colonnade... literally their #1 win condition.
What's your solution? Ban all alternate arts? Change the rules and enforce some standard organization of the board? Neither are going to happen.
we should not live only in our baubble of playing magic, i knew players frightened entering modern because of this allowed Tricks of other, so i believe its a baubble and we cannot See what this means for New players. Solution? Call Name of card...put your tectonic edge and say tectonic edge while doing this. Or seperating man lands is another possible way. Nothing to ban here
I would posit that most people who are unfamiliar with commonly played card art are likewise going to have an issue memorizing card text when given the name. It's why when a player doesn't understand a particular card or doesn't remember if in the card text it mentions targeting/choosing/other rules relevant text they ask to read the card or call a judge for the oracle text. They don't ask their opponent what's the card name. Look, maybe next time before you attack perhaps you can do like most people do and ask if the opponent has a celestial colonnade on the battlefield. The opponent is free to be quiet, but they cannot lie about it. If they remain silent, call a judge. If they lie and you attack and they animate a Colonnade, call a judge. This is incumbent upon YOU, not your opponent. It's not like UW decks have a cornucopia battlefield where there are 12 different permanents, on board combat tricks, or a continuously changing board presence. It's literally just lands, maybe a Snapcaster/Clique, or a PW.
I would ask this of you - do you think it is cheating playing with MPR full arts? Searing Blaze is a card even when people can read the card, don't understand half the time. You think people playing with the full art player reward version are cheaters?
How are you going to enforce players stating the name of every card that comes into play? Can I not say "land for turn", "I'm casting this guy", or any of a billion colloquialisms? Instead you want to enforce speech patterns? What do you do if someone forgets to name the card they played? Say your opponent forgets to say "I am playing my Celestial Colonnade tapped" and instead says "land for turn", what do you do? What if they only say "Colonnade"? It's not the whole name, do you enforce this difference? Call a judge? What level of penalty is there? Is this competitive regulation or a casual FNM?
You're right, we shouldn't live in bubbles, we should venture out and see that there are other arts, other ways to organize the board, other languages, other ways to talk about what play you're making- hell, other ways to play this game entirely. What you're suggesting is exactly the opposite of opening up and seeing more, you're suggesting we all be forced to organize a certain way, denote play a certain way, and follow your pattern. The answer is always going to be "no". Why not just accept that someone plays a bit differently and that the rules allow you to figure out what is going on regardless?
Something the world has generally figured out by interacting with itself for how long is that taking self responsibility is the best position you can possibly have. Because if something is wrong with the game then you may have an insurmountable problem not worth your effort, but if something is wrong with your play then you can sure go change it and gain all the benefit from it!
I suppose most people on this forum are not aware of the "real" cheating that was rampant in high-level magic ten or more years ago. How these real cheats were defending themselves as only using every available venue to win and, critically for this thread, were using the same argument that is was the duty of their opponent to be more vigilant.
I believe 100% the OP that some people will using foreign language, alternate art cards to confuse their opponent. When talking about lands that are often pile up together, yes, that's one avenue to gain an advantage. I find it despicable that people here won't even acknowledge that it's an issue that can be taken advantage on. I find it bad that you're all engaging in victim blaming.
Could he have been more vigilant? Is the rule-lawyer argument that it's entirely the player responsibility to track the opponent's board? yes. So what? Should magic be the equivalent of a game of memory? This is especially true in a tournament setting. I just read yesterday an old article by Cedric Phillips who admitted constantly chatting with his opponent to distract them. Is talking cheating? Strictly, no. But Cedric was using it to increase the mental fatigue to get an edge. Having to read and constantly ask about foreign cards and alt-art is also increasing the mental burden. It adds up during multiple rounds.
Just piling on and ignoring the issue while taking the moral high ground that the OP is an feeble minded whiner is not productive.
Because there is no issue? This is not rules lawyering, not angle shooting, not sleight of hand deck stacking. This is about a player's unwillingness to use the system in place that protects him, then complaining about it afterwards.
Everything complained about is open information that is readily available at request.
Do you expect your opponent casting a snapcaster to spoonfeed you information by naming every sorcery/instant he has in his graveyard? No you don't. With snapcaster on the stack, you request to look at the contents of his graveyard before deciding your response. Not let the Snap resolve, targeting a cryptic command then go accusing the guy of cheating because 'He didn't tell me there was a cryptic command in the graveyard'
Do you expect your opponent to tell you when you declare attacks "oh by the way I have an active Colonnade that I can use"
"can i look at your lands/graveyard?"
"how many cards in hand?"
"I'm not sure what this does, let me request oracle text from a Judge to be sure"
All simple ways to ensure everything is clear. Use them.
I will concede the 1 case which I think is a clear attempt to mislead an opponent which is foreign language tron lands with all different artwork.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
I suppose most people on this forum are not aware of the "real" cheating that was rampant in high-level magic ten or more years ago. How these real cheats were defending themselves as only using every available venue to win and, critically for this thread, were using the same argument that is was the duty of their opponent to be more vigilant.
I believe 100% the OP that some people will using foreign language, alternate art cards to confuse their opponent. When talking about lands that are often pile up together, yes, that's one avenue to gain an advantage. I find it despicable that people here won't even acknowledge that it's an issue that can be taken advantage on. I find it bad that you're all engaging in victim blaming.
Could he have been more vigilant? Is the rule-lawyer argument that it's entirely the player responsibility to track the opponent's board? yes. So what? Should magic be the equivalent of a game of memory? This is especially true in a tournament setting. I just read yesterday an old article by Cedric Phillips who admitted constantly chatting with his opponent to distract them. Is talking cheating? Strictly, no. But Cedric was using it to increase the mental fatigue to get an edge. Having to read and constantly ask about foreign cards and alt-art is also increasing the mental burden. It adds up during multiple rounds.
Just piling on and ignoring the issue while taking the moral high ground that the OP is an feeble minded whiner is not productive.
thanks f i understand your posting like i believe. Dont know why all this Hate comes now about my feeling of cheating (M-Y), but maybe some of us try with such playstyle to win too.
I suppose most people on this forum are not aware of the "real" cheating that was rampant in high-level magic ten or more years ago. How these real cheats were defending themselves as only using every available venue to win and, critically for this thread, were using the same argument that is was the duty of their opponent to be more vigilant.
I believe 100% the OP that some people will using foreign language, alternate art cards to confuse their opponent. When talking about lands that are often pile up together, yes, that's one avenue to gain an advantage. I find it despicable that people here won't even acknowledge that it's an issue that can be taken advantage on. I find it bad that you're all engaging in victim blaming.
Could he have been more vigilant? Is the rule-lawyer argument that it's entirely the player responsibility to track the opponent's board? yes. So what? Should magic be the equivalent of a game of memory? This is especially true in a tournament setting. I just read yesterday an old article by Cedric Phillips who admitted constantly chatting with his opponent to distract them. Is talking cheating? Strictly, no. But Cedric was using it to increase the mental fatigue to get an edge. Having to read and constantly ask about foreign cards and alt-art is also increasing the mental burden. It adds up during multiple rounds.
Just piling on and ignoring the issue while taking the moral high ground that the OP is an feeble minded whiner is not productive.
i agree that attacks against him as a player arent warranted. however he launched the discussion by making 2 outrageous claims: that a mixture of foreign cards is cheating, and that UW players specifically engage in this activity more than other people.
magic IS a game of memory (among many other things). accurately tracking the game state is an acquired skill. being forced to treat man lands differently by announcing them is silly for the same reason wizards stopped asking players to remind opponents of their own beneficial triggers.
take this a step further. what if a player misrecognizes the opponents lands, and doesnt realize his opponent has the mana to cast some spell. oh darn, guess we have to update the rules to make his opponent need to announce his possible color configurations. cast a discard spell and forget what cards youve seen? welp, gotta update the rules again so the opponent has to give a reminder of what cards have been revealed. pesky on board combat tricks? no sir, cant have that, those need to be actively announced at the start of combat.
how is allowing your opponents to make mistakes rules lawyering?
at some point this UW player put the colonnade into play tapped, at which point you either werent paying attention and miss it; or you took note of it and then forgot. how is that anything but a misplay?
lastly, just like assuming mtgthewary is a bad player is incorrect. you know what else is also incorrect? assuming that anyone playing a few foreign or alt art cards is doing so with some malicious or underhanded intent.
victim blaming? ah yes i forgot he was a victim of a member of the nefarious UW control cabal who supposedly go out of their way to hide their colonnades. /rollseyes
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I wrote each time it is a Form/style of cheating for ME...my personal feeling and i wrote too it was legal if we look at the rules and the reason why some UW players called is because i See this especially vs them and after hearing in my store 2 others happened(again vs. UW) so i took this example. Maybe it is wrong this feeling, but maybe it is a mentality of some blue players like we say here each time blue mages will never be happy (maybe wrong too). Blue is the color of mindtricks
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I feel that opals would never be banned in Modern as long as no overpowered opal centric deck appears.. right now, opal helps a lot of decks, but those decks are not really broken in power level. Although KCI get's a lot of hate. Also many people did not like when Lantern was hot some months ago. WoTC risks killing a lot of decks if they ban this thing, which would be bad for their plan on making Modern as diverse as possible.
Opal is very much in need of a reprint. As the price has gone through the roof... sold my playset of them when they hit 60-70 each, now it's 90-100 dollars each. Funny, because the guy who bought them from me even came from a province to reach my area. Now that opals increased, his effort paid off.
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Even if it's the Buy-box promo version with different art, nothing's stopping you from asking the guy or a judge what the card is if you can't recognize it.
Why not start with some self-examination instead of accusing others of cheating in order to find excuses for yourself.
HOWEVER, that does not mean the board state is unknown, you can ask them to spread their lands out to see. For anything that's open information like graveyard, lands, permanents, exile zone etc they're obliged to let you look through them so you know exactly what they have. If they don't want to let you look, call a judge. That's what the judges are there for.
The 'problem' with the Dryad Arbor incident was that it was made to look exactly like a basic land. Nothing was being hidden.
If you're unwilling to make use of judges and systems that are there to ensure the games are played properly, that's on you.
Oh and you initially talked about cards of different language being cheating, and when that was shut down, you switched to talking about opponents hiding information from you and then talk about 'feel bad moments' when it seems like you just didn't bother checking. So it just seems like you're making excuses.
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If the UW player completely hides the colonnade under another land, then that is cheating. However, by your example that is not the case. The colonnade was there in plain sight, but only in japanese language. You could politely ask the player to let you have a look at their lands, before you attack to make sure there is no colonnade "hiding" there.
And as someone here already said.. if a player does not allow you to look at their lands, then call a judge.
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When I play a manland, it is there in plain sight. It is beside my other lands, not hidden. However, I am not obligated to separate my manlands on a pile separate from other lands. I once killed a Vampire nocturnus with a colonnade blocking it, because opponent did not read a colonnade is 4/4. He knew it was there but did not know the thing turns into a 4/4 - no takebacks, his nocturnus is dead. Also a time when someone attacked their Gurmag Angler into my Hissing Quagmire, because he did not notice the quagmire - it's just a part of the game. I'm not hiding the quagmire, it's right there beside a basic swamp.. they just did not pay enough attention.
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also, as it has been repeatedly pointed out, the onus is on you to keep track of your opponents lands; just like you are supposed to keep track of their graveyard. its open information you can ask your opponent for at any time, and unless they deny you then there isnt an issue. different people have different methods for organizing their own board state.
you got goosed by an on board trick. move on.
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Understanding your opponent's board is a huge part of the game; failing to understand the public zones is not your opponent's fault. I do find it rather confusing that you're calling out UW as an easy pairing for you but sore that you didn't recognize a Colonnade... literally their #1 win condition.
What's your solution? Ban all alternate arts? Change the rules and enforce some standard organization of the board? Neither are going to happen.
"Reveal a Dragon"
You probably still feel bad from being "cheated" by colonnades that have ninja skills hiding among other lands. I've been playing actively since Zendikar, and have never met a UW player who deliberately hides their lands a.k.a -the art of cheating- or "23 ways to hide colonnade" as you accuse. Posting a rant like this at State of Modern thread is just going to get yourself ridiculed. So just drop it now ok.
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I would posit that most people who are unfamiliar with commonly played card art are likewise going to have an issue memorizing card text when given the name. It's why when a player doesn't understand a particular card or doesn't remember if in the card text it mentions targeting/choosing/other rules relevant text they ask to read the card or call a judge for the oracle text. They don't ask their opponent what's the card name. Look, maybe next time before you attack perhaps you can do like most people do and ask if the opponent has a celestial colonnade on the battlefield. The opponent is free to be quiet, but they cannot lie about it. If they remain silent, call a judge. If they lie and you attack and they animate a Colonnade, call a judge. This is incumbent upon YOU, not your opponent. It's not like UW decks have a cornucopia battlefield where there are 12 different permanents, on board combat tricks, or a continuously changing board presence. It's literally just lands, maybe a Snapcaster/Clique, or a PW.
I would ask this of you - do you think it is cheating playing with MPR full arts? Searing Blaze is a card even when people can read the card, don't understand half the time. You think people playing with the full art player reward version are cheaters?
You're right, we shouldn't live in bubbles, we should venture out and see that there are other arts, other ways to organize the board, other languages, other ways to talk about what play you're making- hell, other ways to play this game entirely. What you're suggesting is exactly the opposite of opening up and seeing more, you're suggesting we all be forced to organize a certain way, denote play a certain way, and follow your pattern. The answer is always going to be "no". Why not just accept that someone plays a bit differently and that the rules allow you to figure out what is going on regardless?
Something the world has generally figured out by interacting with itself for how long is that taking self responsibility is the best position you can possibly have. Because if something is wrong with the game then you may have an insurmountable problem not worth your effort, but if something is wrong with your play then you can sure go change it and gain all the benefit from it!
"Reveal a Dragon"
I suppose most people on this forum are not aware of the "real" cheating that was rampant in high-level magic ten or more years ago. How these real cheats were defending themselves as only using every available venue to win and, critically for this thread, were using the same argument that is was the duty of their opponent to be more vigilant.
I believe 100% the OP that some people will using foreign language, alternate art cards to confuse their opponent. When talking about lands that are often pile up together, yes, that's one avenue to gain an advantage. I find it despicable that people here won't even acknowledge that it's an issue that can be taken advantage on. I find it bad that you're all engaging in victim blaming.
Could he have been more vigilant? Is the rule-lawyer argument that it's entirely the player responsibility to track the opponent's board? yes. So what? Should magic be the equivalent of a game of memory? This is especially true in a tournament setting. I just read yesterday an old article by Cedric Phillips who admitted constantly chatting with his opponent to distract them. Is talking cheating? Strictly, no. But Cedric was using it to increase the mental fatigue to get an edge. Having to read and constantly ask about foreign cards and alt-art is also increasing the mental burden. It adds up during multiple rounds.
Just piling on and ignoring the issue while taking the moral high ground that the OP is an feeble minded whiner is not productive.
Everything complained about is open information that is readily available at request.
Do you expect your opponent casting a snapcaster to spoonfeed you information by naming every sorcery/instant he has in his graveyard? No you don't. With snapcaster on the stack, you request to look at the contents of his graveyard before deciding your response. Not let the Snap resolve, targeting a cryptic command then go accusing the guy of cheating because 'He didn't tell me there was a cryptic command in the graveyard'
Do you expect your opponent to tell you when you declare attacks "oh by the way I have an active Colonnade that I can use"
"can i look at your lands/graveyard?"
"how many cards in hand?"
"I'm not sure what this does, let me request oracle text from a Judge to be sure"
All simple ways to ensure everything is clear. Use them.
I will concede the 1 case which I think is a clear attempt to mislead an opponent which is foreign language tron lands with all different artwork.
i agree that attacks against him as a player arent warranted. however he launched the discussion by making 2 outrageous claims: that a mixture of foreign cards is cheating, and that UW players specifically engage in this activity more than other people.
magic IS a game of memory (among many other things). accurately tracking the game state is an acquired skill. being forced to treat man lands differently by announcing them is silly for the same reason wizards stopped asking players to remind opponents of their own beneficial triggers.
take this a step further. what if a player misrecognizes the opponents lands, and doesnt realize his opponent has the mana to cast some spell. oh darn, guess we have to update the rules to make his opponent need to announce his possible color configurations. cast a discard spell and forget what cards youve seen? welp, gotta update the rules again so the opponent has to give a reminder of what cards have been revealed. pesky on board combat tricks? no sir, cant have that, those need to be actively announced at the start of combat.
how is allowing your opponents to make mistakes rules lawyering?
at some point this UW player put the colonnade into play tapped, at which point you either werent paying attention and miss it; or you took note of it and then forgot. how is that anything but a misplay?
lastly, just like assuming mtgthewary is a bad player is incorrect. you know what else is also incorrect? assuming that anyone playing a few foreign or alt art cards is doing so with some malicious or underhanded intent.
victim blaming? ah yes i forgot he was a victim of a member of the nefarious UW control cabal who supposedly go out of their way to hide their colonnades. /rollseyes
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