Someone just pointed to me earlier how ridiculous is the curve from turn-two damping sphere into turn-three heartbeat of spring. Anti-tron tech you said? More like tron winning on turn 3 because all your lands produce colorless. I hope I'm wrong.
Someone just pointed to me earlier how ridiculous is the curve from turn-two damping sphere into turn-three heartbeat of spring. Anti-tron tech you said? More like tron winning on turn 3 because all your lands produce colorless. I hope I'm wrong.
Combo doesn't work. Heartbeat doesn't make lands tap for two, it makes it so that whenever you tap a land, you get an extra mana. Small distinction, but the wording is important.
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Someone just pointed to me earlier how ridiculous is the curve from turn-two damping sphere into turn-three heartbeat of spring. Anti-tron tech you said? More like tron winning on turn 3 because all your lands produce colorless. I hope I'm wrong.
Heartbeat doesn't make the land produce the mana. The trigger is from Heartbeat itself. Nonbo with Sphere (at least, the way it's often presented as a lock).
Re: tiers
I sort of agree with CFP that it is harder to predict which decks will be encountered at a tournament. I personally view that as a good thing, but see why others are upset with it. Unfortunately for that camp, this is clearly and unambiguously what Wizards wants for Modern, so I don't see this changing any time soon. I also don't see why it is a problem, as there are still plenty of ways to tune your decks and succeed consistently.
As for FCG's definition of tiers, although I personally prefer tiers being based on MWP as well, it has basically been impossible to create such tiers for years. Anyone who proposes tier lists based decks strength, not prevalence, has a very high burden of proof to meet.
itd probably be best if the community moved away from the tier X terminology all together. but that would never happen.
I also agree with this, but I would add that because it's just never going to happen, I'd rather we at least use consistent terms when we talk about tiers. It's also not exactly a moral/ethical issue where we have some obligation to move us past a "faulty" understanding. Tiers are useful constructs if we are all talking about the same thing and building them with sound and accurate methods.
I want it swapped for Temple. Both at once is a bad idea, but Temple was the much worse offenders, and generic Tron didn't do anything to deserve splash damage. I am biased, but I think it's pretty obvious that they banned the wrong card.
You think it's obvious they banned the wrong card when one land can produce 2 mana a turn, but the other land could in theory produce 6 mana in a single turn?
Like I'm trying to get the Artifact Lands unbanned here, and at most those lands can produce 1-2, and the highly unlikely with no reward 3, based on the opening hand. There are tons of people I've encountered with this opinion, and it's mind boggling how any of them thought that Temple would have ever been the ban target whatsoever.
I want it swapped for Temple. Both at once is a bad idea, but Temple was the much worse offenders, and generic Tron didn't do anything to deserve splash damage. I am biased, but I think it's pretty obvious that they banned the wrong card.
lol what are you talking about? Eye was the right ban. Tron sure as hell doesnt need a repeatable tutor.
I always thought that the correct decision was to ban both, just to be sure. Still, Eldrazi Temple is still there but I don't feel as oppressed by it (and E-Tron in particular) now that BBE is legal again.
That aside the list is pretty much perfect at this point, gone are the days of banning 3/3 vanilla creatures, and the reasons why most cards are on the list are more or less perfectly legitimate. The Jitte question was mostly curiosity on my part to see the community's reactions to the issue and the card itself (though I'm not entirely convinced it would be a detrimental unban). It's to soon to talk more unbans anyways since the format is still in flux from the last one. In a few months time (by the end of summer) we will probably have a better understanding of the impact of the last unban and more clarity on whether any additional changes (including bans) need to be made.
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Sorry for interrupt you, guys, but I'm the only one who's frustrated of 'solitare' modern and think it's in worst condition for now?
By solitare I mean solitare decks like Storm, Eggs, Hollow One and etc. Theese decks are supre unfun to play with and against, especially storm like decks.
Sorry for interrupt you, guys, but I'm the only one who's frustrated of 'solitare' modern and think it's in worst condition for now?
Why's that?
@others - I think many people who play Modern constantly "have a feeling that Humans and Hollow One" are the best decks right now. It isn't something that I can put into stats. That would take me too long. But I do play testing with both decks and they are very strong. A friend of mine who I don't get to see regularly loves playing fun decks, is a true UR player, loves Storm and Delver, and even HE told me tonight that he wouldn't be caught dead playing anything but Humans or Hollow One in Modern. I was surprised to see him on Hollow One. I didn't even know he owned the deck. Maybe these are NOT the best decks? But can anyone give any proof that they're not? (I realize someone is going to say that the onus is on whoever is trying to prove something to do 1000s and 1000s of hours of play testing. I can't do that, but I played 15 Rounds of Modern so far this week and am playing a 1K tomorrow.
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some people have expressed that they think the format is moving in this direction. its difficult to tell what is going on from mtgo results, and paper tournament results have looked diverse enough with a good mixture of interactive and non interactive decks.
how long have you thought the format has been bad?
as for humans and hollow one. well they are certainly two of the best performing decks; especially humans. as for them being too good? well i dont know about that. grixis death shadow had the same vibe, but eventually turned out more tame than people believed. truth be told modern players kinda suck at adapting. id give it more time, hopefully the open this weekend will shed some light on the matter
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I see tonns of combo decks with no interaction and no any 'fair' midrange or control decks. Even Humans and Hollow One aren't that much as theese stupid combos.
Also I agree that Humans and Hollow One are best choices for now.
Okay, I have a number of decks that would LOVE to be able to run Jitte, seriously love it. I have a couple for EDH that would skyrocket in price and I could flip for a nice profit. All of that said, talk of unbanning that card needs to be kill and buried under a mountain, with adamantium doors on the tomb. I am pretty generous with the cards I would unban, Jitte is not one of them. I don't care about Legacy or what it did in Standard, any deck looking to win with creature damage would start with Jitte, every single one. Affinity, Jund, Goblins.... Zoo with Jitte would beat any current aggro or midrange deck easily. The card just on the surface in broken in half without any optimization or extra effects. There are cards that I would unban after Jitte, but they are Hypergenesis and a couple Storm rituals. Not Cruise, not Eye, Jitte makes both look perfectly safe. I have tested it just in casual games where everything else was Modern legal, and my opponent wondered out loud if the set designers had been on drugs.
Tl;dr- no Jitte, no Jitte EVER.
Is Jitte even a maindeckable card? What decks would maindeck that? It's a pretty specific card in that it's good in certain creature decks mostly against weenie decks. Also, just like the swords (that sees no play in modern whatsoever), it has the inherent clunkiness that the creature you are trying to equip can just be bolted/pathed/pushed etc. in response after paying mana to equip. Or the equipment itself can be destroyed with Kol.Command, Decay, Abrade, Oblivion Stone, Detention Sphere, Reclamation Sage, Qasali Pridemage etc etc. If Jitte proves to be "Uber powerful" in modern (which I really doubt...), a slight uptick in these cards would probably balance that just fine. There's no shortage of ways to deal with artifacts in modern today.
And if Jitte would just be a good sideboard card in certain decks for certain weenie mathups, keeping it banned makes as much sense as banning Grim Lavamancer or Izzet Staticaster...
Is Jitte even a maindeckable card? What decks would maindeck that? It's a pretty specific card in that it's good in certain creature decks mostly against weenie decks. Also, just like the swords (that sees no play in modern whatsoever), it has the inherent clunkiness that the creature you are trying to equip can just be bolted/pathed/pushed etc. in response after paying mana to equip. Or the equipment itself can be destroyed with Kol.Command, Decay, Abrade, Oblivion Stone, Detention Sphere, Reclamation Sage, Qasali Pridemage etc etc. If Jitte proves to be "Uber powerful" in modern (which I hardly doubt...), a slight uptick in these cards would probably balance that just fine. There's no shortage of ways to deal with artifacts in modern today.
And if Jitte would just be a good sideboard card in certain decks for certain weenie mathups, keeping it banned makes as much sense as banning Grim Lavamancer or Izzet Staticaster...
there are a million ways to kill deathrite shaman too. the card just does too much for its mana cost. im not sure if people would just jam copies of the card if they played any creatures, but plenty of decks would and if it ever gets online it just takes over the game. not sure why you would want such a polarizing card in the format - especially since it wouldnt be fixing anything.
people also want stoneforge to be a thing, so there is that.
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So jund is the most popular deck, but that's not the proper green midrange. You need a CoCo deck too? Maybe this is part of the problem - people having preconceived notions of what sort of deck a color is "supposed" to have in a given format. Oh, green you can go into jund, tron, valakut, ponza, zoo, infect, elves, knightfall, druid combo, but those aren't the right type of green?
"I want goblin ringleader in the format. I think it is crazy that a creature based red aggro deck isn't at the top of the format. Those decks have existed in years past in other formats, therefore modern is fundamentally flawed until that changes." That's a silly sentence. As are claims that green based value town HAS to exist, or as you put it, SHOULD exist.
So jund is the most popular deck, but that's not the proper green midrange. You need a CoCo deck too? Maybe this is part of the problem - people having preconceived notions of what sort of deck a color is "supposed" to have in a given format. Oh, green you can go into jund, tron, valakut, ponza, zoo, infect, elves, knightfall, druid combo, but those aren't the right type of green?
"I want goblin ringleader in the format. I think it is crazy that a creature based red aggro deck isn't at the top of the format. Those decks have existed in years past in other formats, therefore modern is fundamentally flawed until that changes." That's a silly sentence. As are claims that green based value town HAS to exist, or as you put it, SHOULD exist.
This is so right; and on the flip side everyone's second argument is you can't play white...The best deck in the format is a white weenie deck (25 of the 41 non-land cards in the deck are white)...What is your criteria for a deck being white? Needs to have multiple basic plains? You're playing Modern and cards are too powerful to just play a basic color archetype...And that is what is good about Modern.
Especially the latter category, is so obvious in this forum. Especially after the last "yeah playing jeskai i have a ton of decisions. do i concede right now, or next turn?" response I got, it's becoming ridiculous.
yeah that was obviously a joke. i have never once advocated the unbanning of twin, explicitly or implicitly. the majority of posters here are the same. there are some intrinsic weaknesses to blue control decks in modern that cannot be easily fixed without making it overpowered. a good portion of people, including myself, acknowledge this and accept it as a cost of keeping the format healthy.
also id ask that you refrain from speaking about selectively ignoring data when the very GP you point out not only had zero jeskai lists in the top 32, but also was top 8'ed by both GW hatebears and bant coco.
its clear that you prescribe to this biased opinion on what constitutes decks being playable in the format. both green and white are represented across a multitude of competitive decks spanning various archetypes, including midrange creature/toolbox strategies with bant and abzan. blue control is a viable competitive option, and so are these other decks.
arguing that unbanning SFM and GSZ are fine because they would enrich the format without negatively impacting by giving players more options is one thing. however, to me, the idea that green and white are being oppressed and need saving from out black/red dictators is just playing the victim, and quite honestly ridiculous.
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Eye of Ugin earned its place on the banlist. As someone who foolishly tried to play non-Eldrazi decks during Eldrazi Winter, I do not want to see that deck reborn in Modern.
If Eye is unbanned, Eldrazi could use their full power again... even Jace and Bloodbraid Elf won't be able to stop them. Eye of Ugin should remain banned.
Sorry for interrupt you, guys, but I'm the only one who's frustrated of 'solitare' modern and think it's in worst condition for now?
Why's that?
@others - I think many people who play Modern constantly "have a feeling that Humans and Hollow One" are the best decks right now. It isn't something that I can put into stats. That would take me too long. But I do play testing with both decks and they are very strong. A friend of mine who I don't get to see regularly loves playing fun decks, is a true UR player, loves Storm and Delver, and even HE told me tonight that he wouldn't be caught dead playing anything but Humans or Hollow One in Modern. I was surprised to see him on Hollow One. I didn't even know he owned the deck. Maybe these are NOT the best decks? But can anyone give any proof that they're not? (I realize someone is going to say that the onus is on whoever is trying to prove something to do 1000s and 1000s of hours of play testing. I can't do that, but I played 15 Rounds of Modern so far this week and am playing a 1K tomorrow.
I'm grinding a ton of MTGO lately (around 200 matches in the last couple weeks) and I was about to jump at the chance to say Hollow One is clearly the best deck, until I did a bit of number crunching. According to Karsten's analysis, the deck should get 2+ Hollow Ones on turn 1 2.5% of the time, or 40 games on average. I've played 53 games against the deck now (20 matches), and my opponents have put 2+ (3 once) into play 5 times, which is 9.4% of the time, almost 4 times the statistical average. Perhaps needless to say, all those games resulted in losses. So the deck has felt unrealistically strong to me.
That being said, I think it probably is still the best deck currently, with Humans closely in tow. But I think the margins are very slim, and things can shift quickly, as was the case with Grixis Shadow, as tronix mentioned.
I play Tron and it feels as good as anything to me. Currently the only deck on the front page of Goldfish I have a negative win rate against is Hollow One (45%).
What is going on in this forum with people saying green of all colours needs help? The colour played in some of the best decks in the format? :s
The only colour that needs a little helping hand is white.
Colour ranking definitely black best, green and red joint 2nd, blue close behind with Jace and Search for Azcanta especially being a huge boost. White maybe only needs 1 or 2 cards and it will join the others.
Loving modern just now.
On a different note, anyone else sick of human centric planes? Would really like to see more non-human tribal sets, faeries, merfolk, goblins, elves all could do with a little love from WoTC to keep on boosting modern diversity.
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I sort of agree with CFP that it is harder to predict which decks will be encountered at a tournament. I personally view that as a good thing, but see why others are upset with it. Unfortunately for that camp, this is clearly and unambiguously what Wizards wants for Modern, so I don't see this changing any time soon. I also don't see why it is a problem, as there are still plenty of ways to tune your decks and succeed consistently.
It's not necessarily a problem, just a big change or departure from how the format was for most of its life (and how it was when many were spending lots of money buying in to the format).
It was a joke to speak about how much Jeskai is bad in the current meta, no? So, if that holds ground, I am just speechless.
Also, you are also wrong about the bias thing. I don't even play Modern that regularly anymore; and when I do, I feel my UR Jace Moon deck is really good! I have no complaints to be honest.
yeah i think blue control is fine. jeskai in particular. i also believe that snapcaster mage is the most powerful card in the format. the inherent weaknesses are tied more to purely reactive decks never being able to hold a top spot in the format for very long. if blue was given the tools to make this not be the case then it would be too strong. jace was a boon, but its lackluster performance coupled with blue decks being in pretty much the same spot they were before is telling. jeskai, UW, UR moon, and grixis were good but not great before the unbans, and that is still the case.
ill admit that my last comment was unfounded. it was made out of frustration because these comments about green and white decks being largely unplayable just makes zero sense to me. aside from all of the decks that cover basically every archetype, if you discount green and white being played in vanilla midrange decks AND consider collected company/chord of calling decks tier X jank; then you are obviously biased in your outlook.
it isnt a color competition, its about format health.
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White is a currently a sideboard colour. I dont think thats unfair. Green has so much going on, its unreal to me to say its weak. The problem is, green is (mostly) FAIR.
If you want to play FAIR magic, you accept that you are in some games at a disadvantage.
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Combo doesn't work. Heartbeat doesn't make lands tap for two, it makes it so that whenever you tap a land, you get an extra mana. Small distinction, but the wording is important.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Heartbeat doesn't make the land produce the mana. The trigger is from Heartbeat itself. Nonbo with Sphere (at least, the way it's often presented as a lock).
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I sort of agree with CFP that it is harder to predict which decks will be encountered at a tournament. I personally view that as a good thing, but see why others are upset with it. Unfortunately for that camp, this is clearly and unambiguously what Wizards wants for Modern, so I don't see this changing any time soon. I also don't see why it is a problem, as there are still plenty of ways to tune your decks and succeed consistently.
As for FCG's definition of tiers, although I personally prefer tiers being based on MWP as well, it has basically been impossible to create such tiers for years. Anyone who proposes tier lists based decks strength, not prevalence, has a very high burden of proof to meet.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)I also agree with this, but I would add that because it's just never going to happen, I'd rather we at least use consistent terms when we talk about tiers. It's also not exactly a moral/ethical issue where we have some obligation to move us past a "faulty" understanding. Tiers are useful constructs if we are all talking about the same thing and building them with sound and accurate methods.
You think it's obvious they banned the wrong card when one land can produce 2 mana a turn, but the other land could in theory produce 6 mana in a single turn?
Like I'm trying to get the Artifact Lands unbanned here, and at most those lands can produce 1-2, and the highly unlikely with no reward 3, based on the opening hand. There are tons of people I've encountered with this opinion, and it's mind boggling how any of them thought that Temple would have ever been the ban target whatsoever.
lol what are you talking about? Eye was the right ban. Tron sure as hell doesnt need a repeatable tutor.
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That aside the list is pretty much perfect at this point, gone are the days of banning 3/3 vanilla creatures, and the reasons why most cards are on the list are more or less perfectly legitimate. The Jitte question was mostly curiosity on my part to see the community's reactions to the issue and the card itself (though I'm not entirely convinced it would be a detrimental unban). It's to soon to talk more unbans anyways since the format is still in flux from the last one. In a few months time (by the end of summer) we will probably have a better understanding of the impact of the last unban and more clarity on whether any additional changes (including bans) need to be made.
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By solitare I mean solitare decks like Storm, Eggs, Hollow One and etc. Theese decks are supre unfun to play with and against, especially storm like decks.
Why's that?
@others - I think many people who play Modern constantly "have a feeling that Humans and Hollow One" are the best decks right now. It isn't something that I can put into stats. That would take me too long. But I do play testing with both decks and they are very strong. A friend of mine who I don't get to see regularly loves playing fun decks, is a true UR player, loves Storm and Delver, and even HE told me tonight that he wouldn't be caught dead playing anything but Humans or Hollow One in Modern. I was surprised to see him on Hollow One. I didn't even know he owned the deck. Maybe these are NOT the best decks? But can anyone give any proof that they're not? (I realize someone is going to say that the onus is on whoever is trying to prove something to do 1000s and 1000s of hours of play testing. I can't do that, but I played 15 Rounds of Modern so far this week and am playing a 1K tomorrow.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)how long have you thought the format has been bad?
as for humans and hollow one. well they are certainly two of the best performing decks; especially humans. as for them being too good? well i dont know about that. grixis death shadow had the same vibe, but eventually turned out more tame than people believed. truth be told modern players kinda suck at adapting. id give it more time, hopefully the open this weekend will shed some light on the matter
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Also I agree that Humans and Hollow One are best choices for now.
Is Jitte even a maindeckable card? What decks would maindeck that? It's a pretty specific card in that it's good in certain creature decks mostly against weenie decks. Also, just like the swords (that sees no play in modern whatsoever), it has the inherent clunkiness that the creature you are trying to equip can just be bolted/pathed/pushed etc. in response after paying mana to equip. Or the equipment itself can be destroyed with Kol.Command, Decay, Abrade, Oblivion Stone, Detention Sphere, Reclamation Sage, Qasali Pridemage etc etc. If Jitte proves to be "Uber powerful" in modern (which I really doubt...), a slight uptick in these cards would probably balance that just fine. There's no shortage of ways to deal with artifacts in modern today.
And if Jitte would just be a good sideboard card in certain decks for certain weenie mathups, keeping it banned makes as much sense as banning Grim Lavamancer or Izzet Staticaster...
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)there are a million ways to kill deathrite shaman too. the card just does too much for its mana cost. im not sure if people would just jam copies of the card if they played any creatures, but plenty of decks would and if it ever gets online it just takes over the game. not sure why you would want such a polarizing card in the format - especially since it wouldnt be fixing anything.
people also want stoneforge to be a thing, so there is that.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)"I want goblin ringleader in the format. I think it is crazy that a creature based red aggro deck isn't at the top of the format. Those decks have existed in years past in other formats, therefore modern is fundamentally flawed until that changes." That's a silly sentence. As are claims that green based value town HAS to exist, or as you put it, SHOULD exist.
This is so right; and on the flip side everyone's second argument is you can't play white...The best deck in the format is a white weenie deck (25 of the 41 non-land cards in the deck are white)...What is your criteria for a deck being white? Needs to have multiple basic plains? You're playing Modern and cards are too powerful to just play a basic color archetype...And that is what is good about Modern.
yeah that was obviously a joke. i have never once advocated the unbanning of twin, explicitly or implicitly. the majority of posters here are the same. there are some intrinsic weaknesses to blue control decks in modern that cannot be easily fixed without making it overpowered. a good portion of people, including myself, acknowledge this and accept it as a cost of keeping the format healthy.
also id ask that you refrain from speaking about selectively ignoring data when the very GP you point out not only had zero jeskai lists in the top 32, but also was top 8'ed by both GW hatebears and bant coco.
its clear that you prescribe to this biased opinion on what constitutes decks being playable in the format. both green and white are represented across a multitude of competitive decks spanning various archetypes, including midrange creature/toolbox strategies with bant and abzan. blue control is a viable competitive option, and so are these other decks.
arguing that unbanning SFM and GSZ are fine because they would enrich the format without negatively impacting by giving players more options is one thing. however, to me, the idea that green and white are being oppressed and need saving from out black/red dictators is just playing the victim, and quite honestly ridiculous.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)If Eye is unbanned, Eldrazi could use their full power again... even Jace and Bloodbraid Elf won't be able to stop them. Eye of Ugin should remain banned.
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That being said, I think it probably is still the best deck currently, with Humans closely in tow. But I think the margins are very slim, and things can shift quickly, as was the case with Grixis Shadow, as tronix mentioned.
I play Tron and it feels as good as anything to me. Currently the only deck on the front page of Goldfish I have a negative win rate against is Hollow One (45%).
The only colour that needs a little helping hand is white.
Colour ranking definitely black best, green and red joint 2nd, blue close behind with Jace and Search for Azcanta especially being a huge boost. White maybe only needs 1 or 2 cards and it will join the others.
Loving modern just now.
On a different note, anyone else sick of human centric planes? Would really like to see more non-human tribal sets, faeries, merfolk, goblins, elves all could do with a little love from WoTC to keep on boosting modern diversity.
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It's not necessarily a problem, just a big change or departure from how the format was for most of its life (and how it was when many were spending lots of money buying in to the format).
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yeah i think blue control is fine. jeskai in particular. i also believe that snapcaster mage is the most powerful card in the format. the inherent weaknesses are tied more to purely reactive decks never being able to hold a top spot in the format for very long. if blue was given the tools to make this not be the case then it would be too strong. jace was a boon, but its lackluster performance coupled with blue decks being in pretty much the same spot they were before is telling. jeskai, UW, UR moon, and grixis were good but not great before the unbans, and that is still the case.
ill admit that my last comment was unfounded. it was made out of frustration because these comments about green and white decks being largely unplayable just makes zero sense to me. aside from all of the decks that cover basically every archetype, if you discount green and white being played in vanilla midrange decks AND consider collected company/chord of calling decks tier X jank; then you are obviously biased in your outlook.
it isnt a color competition, its about format health.
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