I think it's at least a possibility we have Eternal Masters and Conspiracy 2 to thank for how good Modern Masters is. People talk about how awesome MMA was, (and it was good), but don't forget that it had the Kamigawa Dragons and Doubling Season among other cards which see essentially zero play in Modern, but a good amount in Cube or Commander. Now these formats have their own dedicated reprint avenues (recall how people said Conspiracy 2 was a better Eternal Masters than EMA itself), and this has possibly opened up more freedom for Modern Masters to focus on Modern (you know, the format it's named after).
Either way, it's clear Wizards has decided to open the supply pipe more, and I'm very happy for it.
Pretty excited Wotc isn't making modern about collectors and people sitting on staples. Unless you're a store just selling things as they come and go or have the cards cause you like having the staples if you want to play a deck, I don't feel remotely bad for anyone Financially withholding staples because they want to make a buck. Now cards needed for play are coming out and douchebags holding these cards hostage got punished
The deck operates on 18 land, it needs the zero mana cantrips, it makes the deck and it's opening hands incredibly consistent and makes most games play out the same way, which is against WOTC's regulation against cantrips in modern
The deck operates on 18 land, it needs the zero mana cantrips, it makes the deck and it's opening hands incredibly consistent and makes most games play out the same way, which is against WOTC's regulation against cantrips in modern
It is HIGHLY unlikely they ban Shadow itself
Imagine a new player looking over the Modern banlist and seeing Bauble 😂😂😂 Would be even more confusing than Wild Nacatl. At least it's not the kind of card kids will accidentally bring to Modern tournaments or even own.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
Any format with mishra's bauble on its banlist is a format I would refuse to play. The power level on that card compared to cards that deserve to be there is so astronomically different it isn't even funny. A bauble ban says to me that wizards has no idea how to balance the format, and they have completely given up even pretending to try. The mere concept of mishra's bauble ravaging a format is laughable at best
The deck operates on 18 land, it needs the zero mana cantrips, it makes the deck and it's opening hands incredibly consistent and makes most games play out the same way, which is against WOTC's regulation against cantrips in modern
It is HIGHLY unlikely they ban Shadow itself
Imagine a new player looking over the Modern banlist and seeing Bauble 😂😂😂 Would be even more confusing than Wild Nacatl. At least it's not the kind of card kids will accidentally bring to Modern tournaments or even own.
Not quite as weird as seeing that Zuran Orb has been banned at one point, but it's definitely up there.
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Playing UX Mana Denial until Modern gets the answers it needs.
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Modern is more diverse than it has ever been. I really don't understand why so many people always want to try and ban the top deck when it isn't even close to overperforming. Three GP's on the same weekend with three completely different decks winning and the top eight of all 3 look different. Death shadow is still less than 10% of the format online and for what most people look at as the clear best deck that is not a huge amount. There's no reason to just ban the best deck every time; it makes no sense.
Being that it appears WotC is "giving" the community what it wants, i think there is plenty of reason for suspicion. The house always wins...
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Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
It definitely would be hilarious to see Bauble on a banlist, and it would be really confusing as a new player looking at the card and understanding why
It's not really a powerful card, but it is kinda unfair as a 0 mana cantrip along with Wraith. They're pretty awful cards on their own, it's just the synergy they provide as the card pool to modern gets bigger.
I'm not at all advocating for Shadow's banning, I'm playing it right now. All I'm stating is that these are possible bans they would make IF Shadow kept posting results over and over like the past two weekends of tournaments. I will tell that it does feel like playing with a thinner deck thanks to those 8 cantrip cards, and provides crazy consistency for most games, more so than most decks currently in the meta, I absolutely believe they would target these possible two cards. Imagine if boring old Jund could draw the right half of their deck in nearly every matchup, Jund would be crazy difficult to stop. It's not unusual something like Jund can draw nothing but reactive cards against a control deck, or a proactive half when it needs to be the control deck
WOTC doesn't usually like to kill decks off completely, so I'm seriously doubting they'd target Death's Shadow itself. They'll ban the enablers, not the other cards. Death's shadow by itself is hard to get value out of, it's all the unfair synergies where it shines.
It definitely would be hilarious to see Bauble on a banlist, and it would be really confusing as a new player looking at the card and understanding why
It's not really a powerful card, but it is kinda unfair as a 0 mana cantrip along with Wraith. They're pretty awful cards on their own, it's just the synergy they provide as the card pool to modern gets bigger.
I'm not at all advocating for Shadow's banning, I'm playing it right now. All I'm stating is that these are possible bans they would make IF Shadow kept posting results over and over like the past two weekends of tournaments. I will tell that it does feel like playing with a thinner deck thanks to those 8 cantrip cards, and provides crazy consistency for most games, more so than most decks currently in the meta, I absolutely believe they would target these possible two cards. Imagine if boring old Jund could draw the right half of their deck in nearly every matchup, Jund would be crazy difficult to stop. It's not unusual something like Jund can draw nothing but reactive cards against a control deck, or a proactive half when it needs to be the control deck
WOTC doesn't usually like to kill decks off completely, so I'm seriously doubting they'd target Death's Shadow itself. They'll ban the enablers, not the other cards. Death's shadow by itself is hard to get value out of, it's all the unfair synergies where it shines.
Ooor they could unban other consistency tools, allowing other decks to achieve similar or greater consistency, allowing us to not have ridiculous cards on the banlist like mishra's bauble
I'd like to think that Wizards will either unban stuff for interest's sake or just leave things alone. Going after Deaths Shadow right now would be an embarrassment. The deck is eminently fair and if you kill its graveyard it gets to try and win with 4 threats. Goldish says its at like 9% of the meta, whereas the rest of tier 1 is 5-6%. I think given some time for other decks to focus more on beating it it will easily stay within range of other top tier decks.
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* Esper Draw-Go
* Tezzeret Whir
* Blue Tron
Too fast to pull any triggers. The format is in my opinion the best it has ever been since 2013. The 'deck to beat' has much dificulty handling control decks(abzan for path and grixis for push and tasigur).
Wotc just reprinted a lot of staples for us and new players.
We are at the point where we need to give blue just a little push so we can stop crying about splinter twin and forget all that crap.
I don't think anyone actually realizes, that Modern will always have a bad guy. If Death's Shadow is our number one bad guy, we have a really healthy Modern.
It definitely would be hilarious to see Bauble on a banlist, and it would be really confusing as a new player looking at the card and understanding why
It's not really a powerful card, but it is kinda unfair as a 0 mana cantrip along with Wraith. They're pretty awful cards on their own, it's just the synergy they provide as the card pool to modern gets bigger.
I'm not at all advocating for Shadow's banning, I'm playing it right now. All I'm stating is that these are possible bans they would make IF Shadow kept posting results over and over like the past two weekends of tournaments. I will tell that it does feel like playing with a thinner deck thanks to those 8 cantrip cards, and provides crazy consistency for most games, more so than most decks currently in the meta, I absolutely believe they would target these possible two cards. Imagine if boring old Jund could draw the right half of their deck in nearly every matchup, Jund would be crazy difficult to stop. It's not unusual something like Jund can draw nothing but reactive cards against a control deck, or a proactive half when it needs to be the control deck
WOTC doesn't usually like to kill decks off completely, so I'm seriously doubting they'd target Death's Shadow itself. They'll ban the enablers, not the other cards. Death's shadow by itself is hard to get value out of, it's all the unfair synergies where it shines.
Ooor they could unban other consistency tools, allowing other decks to achieve similar or greater consistency, allowing us to not have ridiculous cards on the banlist like mishra's bauble
That goes against WOTC's goals for modern and why Legacy gets things like brainstorm, ponder and preordain, it creates consistency and games to be played out in a similar fashion, which is not what their vision for modern is
Any format with mishra's bauble on its banlist is a format I would refuse to play. The power level on that card compared to cards that deserve to be there is so astronomically different it isn't even funny. A bauble ban says to me that wizards has no idea how to balance the format, and they have completely given up even pretending to try. The mere concept of mishra's bauble ravaging a format is laughable at best
I don't think anyone actually realizes, that Modern will always have a bad guy. If Death's Shadow is our number one bad guy, we have a really healthy Modern.
Playing it right now, I don't mind. I definitely find myself struggling against very interactive decks or creature decks that go wide and fast. The deck is very beatable (although I'm definitely still playing it very sub-par).
You're right, a format needs a bad guy. Death Shadow games are interactive, fun, and promote decks to have some reasonable interactions. It's fast enough that it can't quite be slipped underneath too easily but it's also not quite so fast that it just obliterates combo and uninteractive decks.
Any format with mishra's bauble on its banlist is a format I would refuse to play. The power level on that card compared to cards that deserve to be there is so astronomically different it isn't even funny. A bauble ban says to me that wizards has no idea how to balance the format, and they have completely given up even pretending to try. The mere concept of mishra's bauble ravaging a format is laughable at best
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
DRS, Bloodbraid, SFM, and Jace are all fair cards, too.
Fair point. But all you need to do to play those cards is pay their mana cost. Traverse needs a degree of work for it to be really useful. I might be trivializing it, though.
I think people misunderstood me, i understand WoTC's stance on consistency. What i was saying is that, if WoTC looks at modern in the next few ban cycles and says hey, that death's shadow deck is the most consistent in the format due to mishra's bauble, and then after that conclusion is made decides that bauble needs to be banned instead of coming to the realization that they have created a format where mishra's freakin bauble is the best consistency tool in the format and that perhaps they went a bit too far with their ban policies, that would be my last straw for this format
I think people misunderstood me, i understand WoTC's stance on consistency. What i was saying is that, if WoTC looks at modern in the next few ban cycles and says hey, that death's shadow deck is the most consistent in the format due to mishra's bauble, and then after that conclusion is made decides that bauble needs to be banned instead of coming to the realization that they have created a format where mishra's freakin bauble is the best consistency tool in the format and that perhaps they went a bit too far with their ban policies, that would be my last straw for this format
While you seem to make fair points(and I do agree!) you seem to draw the wrong conclusions imo. If Wizards is to hit consistency and if the deck reaches bigger meta shares, again, Traverse The Ulvenwald is a great target! It allowes the deck to play 12 creatures in essense and play a fixed Green Sun's Zenith. Putting for GB mana cost Death's Shadow from your library to your graveyard or for G2 a Tarmogoyf in the battlefield is NO joke and it's crazy regarding consistency terms.
If consistency is to be hit, I am adamant this is the card. You can play your 52-card deck without it if you want. Redrawing at the next upkeep and not immediattely, or redrawing while losing 2 life while card type means nothing in the deck. Mishra's Bauble and Street Wraith(especially the first) are BONKERS in this deck, not only because it's making you a 52 card deck, but also because it's helping you taking more card types. That way, you will have to naturally draw your creature. Which could be fine really.
I never stated that i disagreed with traverse being the correct ban, in fact in a world where i had to ban something from the deck that is my likely target as well. My posts are purely ranting about the ridiculousness of a mishra's bauble ban, which many in here were discussing. I do not wish to discuss which card i feel is correct to ban from deaths shadow, since i am of firm belief that it does not need any ban at all. I didn't believe it needed any ban before probe got the axe, the concept of banning something from the powered down version is ridiculous to me. I much prefer to discuss unbans at this point, as bans have gotten us to a point where we are having serious discussions about banning mishra's bauble
Either way, it's clear Wizards has decided to open the supply pipe more, and I'm very happy for it.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
The deck operates on 18 land, it needs the zero mana cantrips, it makes the deck and it's opening hands incredibly consistent and makes most games play out the same way, which is against WOTC's regulation against cantrips in modern
It is HIGHLY unlikely they ban Shadow itself
Counter-Cat
Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
Not quite as weird as seeing that Zuran Orb has been banned at one point, but it's definitely up there.
WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
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Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
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W Akroma
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BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
It's not really a powerful card, but it is kinda unfair as a 0 mana cantrip along with Wraith. They're pretty awful cards on their own, it's just the synergy they provide as the card pool to modern gets bigger.
I'm not at all advocating for Shadow's banning, I'm playing it right now. All I'm stating is that these are possible bans they would make IF Shadow kept posting results over and over like the past two weekends of tournaments. I will tell that it does feel like playing with a thinner deck thanks to those 8 cantrip cards, and provides crazy consistency for most games, more so than most decks currently in the meta, I absolutely believe they would target these possible two cards. Imagine if boring old Jund could draw the right half of their deck in nearly every matchup, Jund would be crazy difficult to stop. It's not unusual something like Jund can draw nothing but reactive cards against a control deck, or a proactive half when it needs to be the control deck
WOTC doesn't usually like to kill decks off completely, so I'm seriously doubting they'd target Death's Shadow itself. They'll ban the enablers, not the other cards. Death's shadow by itself is hard to get value out of, it's all the unfair synergies where it shines.
Ooor they could unban other consistency tools, allowing other decks to achieve similar or greater consistency, allowing us to not have ridiculous cards on the banlist like mishra's bauble
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
* Esper Draw-Go
* Tezzeret Whir
* Blue Tron
Wotc just reprinted a lot of staples for us and new players.
We are at the point where we need to give blue just a little push so we can stop crying about splinter twin and forget all that crap.
That goes against WOTC's goals for modern and why Legacy gets things like brainstorm, ponder and preordain, it creates consistency and games to be played out in a similar fashion, which is not what their vision for modern is
Well... there is Gitaxian Probe, Golgari Grave-Troll, Bloodbraid Elf and Stoneforge Mystic on the banned list if that gives you an idea.
Playing it right now, I don't mind. I definitely find myself struggling against very interactive decks or creature decks that go wide and fast. The deck is very beatable (although I'm definitely still playing it very sub-par).
You're right, a format needs a bad guy. Death Shadow games are interactive, fun, and promote decks to have some reasonable interactions. It's fast enough that it can't quite be slipped underneath too easily but it's also not quite so fast that it just obliterates combo and uninteractive decks.
I don't care how cards "look" on a banlist if they improve the format and meet the stated criteria. I don't think Wizards cares either.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
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Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
Fair point. But all you need to do to play those cards is pay their mana cost. Traverse needs a degree of work for it to be really useful. I might be trivializing it, though.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
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BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
I never stated that i disagreed with traverse being the correct ban, in fact in a world where i had to ban something from the deck that is my likely target as well. My posts are purely ranting about the ridiculousness of a mishra's bauble ban, which many in here were discussing. I do not wish to discuss which card i feel is correct to ban from deaths shadow, since i am of firm belief that it does not need any ban at all. I didn't believe it needed any ban before probe got the axe, the concept of banning something from the powered down version is ridiculous to me. I much prefer to discuss unbans at this point, as bans have gotten us to a point where we are having serious discussions about banning mishra's bauble
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR