Grixis Control's performance seems like a pretty good sign to me. I think it's helping show how even a small number of control appropriate answer cards to fill in blank areas, not even full playsets of those cards (Fatal Push), can help control decks significantly. Having more solid and flexible answers in the 1-2 cmc range across more colors is definitely what control needs. I mean, it looks a little too luck reliant for a proper control deck with how it needs Ancestral Visions to come at the right time, and I suspect it has some problems countering creatures reliably throughout the game, so might struggle more than it needs to against ETB and death-effect using creatures, but it's got the right ratios, roughly, of answers, card draw, and finishers for me to consider it to mostly be a proper control deck, even if a few elements edge into midrange or tempo territory, they don't edge in strongly enough for me to not call it a true control deck. A couple mana leaks isn't nearly as bad as a full suite of Remands, for instance, when it comes to disqualifying something in terms of it's control viability. Relying on spell-snare is heavily meta dependant, so the deck could be hurt if the meta shifts to account for that, and the deck has few adjustment options that would leave it still counting as control for some situations, so I don't think it's entirely a sign of a healthy control environment starting to turn up, but I think it's a sign that control has potential to grow into the meta if fed the appropriate missing tools with new printings, reprints of non-modern stuff into Modern, and that at least one unban we had helped.
This happens a lot George, having decks with 2-3 finishes. It becomes a problem if it becomes a trend and also jumps into the paper world. In your example, Jund Shadow has 30%, which is clearly not indicative of the metagame as a whole. My point is that if we want to have a serious conversation about the metagame, we should look at the bigger picture.
Here I have compiled all decks that have been +2% online since the bans, 46 days worth of 5-0s data:
Jund Shadow: 8.5%
Affinity: 7.2%
Eldrazi Tron: 7.0%
Abzan Midrange: 5.9%
Naya Burn: 4.8%
Jund Midrange: 4.8%
RG Scapeshift: 4.1%
Grixis Control: 3.0%
WU Control: 2.6%
Amulet Titan: 2.6%
Bant Eldrazi: 2.6%
Merfolk: 2.4%
Dredge: 2.4%
WB Taxes: 2.4%
Ad Nauseam: 2.2%
BG Tron: 2.2%
WG Tron: 2.0%
Grishoalbrand: 2.0%
And here is the February data so far, again all decks with +2%:
Jund Shadow: 10.4%
Eldrazi Tron: 9.2%
Abzan Midrange: 6.5%
Affinity: 6.2%
Jund Midrange: 5.4%
Naya Burn: 4.6%
RG Scapeshift: 4.6%
Grixis Control: 3.1%
Merfolk: 3.1%
Dredge: 2.7%
WB Taxes: 2.3%
Jeskai Control: 2.3%
As a bonus, the combined Top32s (including Top8s) of the GPs:
Eldrazi Tron: 9.4%
Jund Shadow: 7.8%
Bant Eldrazi: 7.8%
Abzan Midrange: 6.3%
RG Scapeshift: 6.3%
Infect: 4.7%
Dredge: 4.7%
Affinity: 3.1%
Lantern Control: 3.1%
Naya Burn: 3.1%
Amulet Titan: 3.1%
Grixis Control: 3.1%
Jund Midrange: 3.1%
Esper Control: 3.1%
At this point, Jund Shadow is one of the best Modern decks, if not the best one, and I doubt anyone can argue against this. I mean, it's almost like Jund Midrange with a faster clock is a good deck. oh, the doubters. But, as you can see, the deck is hardly oppressive. If its 10.4% February online share seems like a lot, it's been worse. Last year, the old version of the deck was 11.9% in June and 11.2% in July, just to crash down into 2.6% and 3.3% just before climbing back to 6.5% in December. This means even decks in the +10% range can rise and fall due to metagame fluctuations over months and I doubt this time around will be any different. This is not a Tier 0 deck and other decks are rising to the challenge, don't worry.
honeslty the biggest take away from this data is that eldrazi is still very strong after its nerf, and i dont feel its a healthy deck to have in the meta game at this level as it just plays creatures better than any other deck.
since blue is in fact need of help. I feel an eldrazi temple ban would help if we are not going the twin route.
Reactive Blue decks are NOT healthy. Look at the current Miracles meta in Legacy. If your deck can't beat Miracles, it's not a deck. Having a super blue police deck isn't as great as you think. You're either playing the deck or you're going to find a way to beat that deck. Or even worse, you have to run blue or your deck is crap.
How is this proof reactive Blue decks aren't healthy? The problem with Miracles (if there is one) isn't that it's a reactive Blue deck, it's that it occupies a rather high metagame share. That's totally incidental to what kind of deck it is. Eldrazi occupied an overly large metagame share too, by that logic aggro decks aren't healthy.
It's not only Miracles. Again if your'e not running blue, the deck is garbage in Legacy. I think only 4 other decks aren't running blue are doing okay, D&T, Eldrazi, BR Reanimator, Lands. And Eldrazi is already going away and losing favor. I would hate for Modern to become Legacy Light. The biggest appeal to me in Modern is seeing all these other colors do the things they do.
I agree that Blue is overrepresented in Legacy and have for that reason (and a number of others) been a proponent on a Brainstorm ban. But Blue's dominance in Legacy is not related to what you said. You claimed that "reactive Blue decks are NOT healthy." But most of those Blue decks aren't particularly reactive; they're quite proactive, in fact.
The claim you made, that reactive Blue decks aren't healthy, just aren't being supported by your supporting evidence.
Dude, stop it, Bant Eldrazi is not doing anything that broken or unfair (I'm a GBx player and they prey on me),
I mean no offense, but you have the most ban-mania mentality of anyone who posts regularly on this site.
Bant Eldrazi has done nothing unhealthy post Eye of Ugin
It's just a solid midrange deck that pumps out big, dumb creatures.
Let's make this clear, if you ban Eldrazi Temple, you kill the deck. No, "but it has this!" or "It can use this!"
No, you kill the whole damn archetype, and Eldrazi Tron dies and just turns back into RG Tron/BG Tron/GW Tron. You also kill Eldrazi and Taxes.
Stop it, dude, it won't make blue much better. Blue is fundamentally flawed in this format, more bans don't fix this.
why are you soo against bans? and blue for that matter? im only offering suggestions anyways. because as i see it the meta just isnt good for blue no matter what we do(other than twin)
"you have the most ban-mania mentality"
lol i mention 1 card....... and you lose it.
when looking at how to make blue better: its the meta that makes it bad combined with its bad cards. therefore there are 2 ways to address this. I am only coming from a different angle.
why are you soo against bans? and blue for that matter? im only offering suggestions anyways. because as i see it the meta just isnt good for blue no matter what we do(other than twin)
At this point I consider most everything you say in this thread just trolling rather than actual constructive suggestions.
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Well, I can saw a woman in two, but you won't wanna look in the box when I'm through.
honeslty the biggest take away from this data is that eldrazi is still very strong after its nerf, and i dont feel its a healthy deck to have in the meta game at this level as it just plays creatures better than any other deck.
since blue is in fact need of help. I feel an eldrazi temple ban would help if we are not going the twin route.
STOP
SUGGESTING
ARTIFICIAL
BANS
If blue needs help, give blue what it needs. We are in this complete mess because of the trash Wizards has put down our throats. Stop doing this, stop making ridiculous claims and excuses and analogies. Stop, everyone seriously stop. Look where we are right now, do you think all of your aggressive banning ideas leads down a better road after we have been on this crazy train for 5 years. Do you all honestly believe banning Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe actually did anything? Or did it just shift the problems away in another direction?
Fight back, make the Modern banned list reasonable. Fight and tell Wizards how the current tactics about the banned list isn't working.
why are you soo against bans? and blue for that matter? im only offering suggestions anyways. because as i see it the meta just isnt good for blue no matter what we do(other than twin)
At this point I consider most everything you say in this thread just trolling rather than actual constructive suggestions.
and its also very obvious people cant talk about bans at all in this thread without losing it lol. if you cant handle ban talk then dont come to this thread.
So is everyone scared of Preordain again now that Ad Nauseam won a tournament?
Seems like people change their minds in this thread at the flip of a hat
Even on the twitch stream or anywhere else on the forum the moment a deck does well a all in a tournament it's instantly ban mania without a second thought.
Wizards really has trained us with their bans
and its also very obvious people cant talk about bans at all in this thread without losing it lol. if you cant handle ban talk then dont come to this thread.
My issue isn't that you're suggesting bans; it's that your suggestion bans with no actual basis apart from you not liking the deck in question and then claiming that you're making the suggestion to "help blue out" in Modern. You've made it clearly obvious that you're unhappy with how the format has changed since Twin got banned and you're ignoring the fact that the format is looking amazingly healthy at the moment so you can suggest bans to the decks you don't like.
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Well, I can saw a woman in two, but you won't wanna look in the box when I'm through.
and its also very obvious people cant talk about bans at all in this thread without losing it lol. if you cant handle ban talk then dont come to this thread.
My issue isn't that you're suggesting bans; it's that your suggestion bans with no actual basis apart from you not liking the deck in question and then claiming that you're making the suggestion to "help blue out" in Modern. You've made it clearly obvious that you're unhappy with how the format has changed since Twin got banned and you're ignoring the fact that the format is looking amazingly healthy at the moment so you can suggest bans to the decks you don't like.
healthy in your opinion, I happen to dissagree. and im not wanting a ban beacuse i dislike a deck, its to lower the amount of anti fair decks in the format....
So is everyone scared of Preordain again now that Ad Nauseam won a tournament?
Seems like people change their minds in this thread at the flip of a hat
Even on the twitch stream or anywhere else on the forum the moment a deck does well a all in a tournament it's instantly ban mania without a second thought.
Wizards really has trained us with their bans
I fully expect next banning announcement to include Mox Opal and Simian Spirit Guide in that announcement, although not violators, they have tremendous warnings of their abuse, and are part of many tier 2 strategies that most people deem "unfun"
I don't particularily agree, but the fact that they banned Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe, without even touching Simian Spirit Guide and Mox Opal is miraculous to me. Once again, Wizards line of logic has these tremendous fallacies and glaring obstructions as to what should and should not be legal. They can claim that they have numbers to support their theory, but it seems like basic logic completely escapes them.
Although I never owned the deck, and played against it a lot, Modern Dredge with Golgari Grave-Troll was the first time I felt a deck was once again unique to Modern, it gave me a Birthing Pod/Splinter Twin feeling where my choices against the deck mattered, and how my opponent prepared for hate mattered. Something both Twin and Birthing Pod were able to do was outcome hate in multiple ways, while Dredge seemed weakened at the proper specifications.
I enjoyed having GGT Dredge in the format, it finally shined a very bright light saying "Modern could be this powerful and skillful with every deck" but alas, Wizards catered to the people who just ***** and complain. Claiming they have stats that skewed the metagame with Sideboard decisions, meanwhile I see Affinity hate every-damn week for 5 years.
and its also very obvious people cant talk about bans at all in this thread without losing it lol. if you cant handle ban talk then dont come to this thread.
My issue isn't that you're suggesting bans; it's that your suggestion bans with no actual basis apart from you not liking the deck in question and then claiming that you're making the suggestion to "help blue out" in Modern. You've made it clearly obvious that you're unhappy with how the format has changed since Twin got banned and you're ignoring the fact that the format is looking amazingly healthy at the moment so you can suggest bans to the decks you don't like.
healthy in your opinion, I happen to dissagree. and im not wanting a ban beacuse i dislike a deck, its to lower the amount of anti fair decks in the format....
I said this before, you're playing the wrong format if you want "fair". Do I play kinda fair decks in modern? Yes, it doesn't mean I go asking for all these bans.
I didn't lose it because you mentioned one card, you constantly make outlandish suggestions with no data or facts backed up except that you don't like that it's unfair.
Ban Opal! Ban this, ban that! Ban Tron lands! Ban Eldrazi Temple!
Your ban mentality is so dangerous, and if there were a mob of like minded players, we would be seeing more bans, it's why your posts on here are constantly upsetting, you're clearly a BGx player that wants all the unfair decks to go away so you can have more 50/50s
How is Bant Eldrazi "anti-fair"? It plays creatures and swings with them and it's not that difficult to interact with them.
I'm going to help Hellfire out here, because there is no reasonable positive answer to this question. It is not "anti-fair." Sometimes one of it's lands generates an extra mana to cast creatures spells of a specific type. That's it, that's all. Compared to all of the other ridiculous things that you can do in the modern format, that's almost as fair as it gets.
How is Bant Eldrazi "anti-fair"? It plays creatures and swings with them and it's not that difficult to interact with them.
It's certainly an annoying deck to play against when you're trying to go fair, but medium. But in no way is it bannable. I actually put it together a month ago (again) to try it again and it didn't even seem that good, sadly enough. Sure, there are draws that are tough to interact with like turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer, but nearly every good Modern deck has those "type" of plays.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
honeslty the biggest take away from this data is that eldrazi is still very strong after its nerf, and i dont feel its a healthy deck to have in the meta game at this level as it just plays creatures better than any other deck.
since blue is in fact need of help. I feel an eldrazi temple ban would help if we are not going the twin route.
STOP
SUGGESTING
ARTIFICIAL
BANS
If blue needs help, give blue what it needs. We are in this complete mess because of the trash Wizards has put down our throats. Stop doing this, stop making ridiculous claims and excuses and analogies. Stop, everyone seriously stop. Look where we are right now, do you think all of your aggressive banning ideas leads down a better road after we have been on this crazy train for 5 years. Do you all honestly believe banning Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe actually did anything? Or did it just shift the problems away in another direction?
Fight back, make the Modern banned list reasonable. Fight and tell Wizards how the current tactics about the banned list isn't working.
claiming that bans dont help is simply incorrect. they have for the most part helped this game.
honeslty the biggest take away from this data is that eldrazi is still very strong after its nerf, and i dont feel its a healthy deck to have in the meta game at this level as it just plays creatures better than any other deck.
since blue is in fact need of help. I feel an eldrazi temple ban would help if we are not going the twin route.
STOP
SUGGESTING
ARTIFICIAL
BANS
If blue needs help, give blue what it needs. We are in this complete mess because of the trash Wizards has put down our throats. Stop doing this, stop making ridiculous claims and excuses and analogies. Stop, everyone seriously stop. Look where we are right now, do you think all of your aggressive banning ideas leads down a better road after we have been on this crazy train for 5 years. Do you all honestly believe banning Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe actually did anything? Or did it just shift the problems away in another direction?
Fight back, make the Modern banned list reasonable. Fight and tell Wizards how the current tactics about the banned list isn't working.
claiming that bans dont help is simply incorrect. they have for the most part helped this game
ARE YOU FOR REAL? WHEN THE HELL HAVE THEY EVER HELPED?
DEAR GOD WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING?
We have been on this crazy train since the banning of Seething Song and Bloodbraid Elf, and you are gonna sit there and claim that Modern has gotten better with bannings?
honeslty the biggest take away from this data is that eldrazi is still very strong after its nerf, and i dont feel its a healthy deck to have in the meta game at this level as it just plays creatures better than any other deck.
since blue is in fact need of help. I feel an eldrazi temple ban would help if we are not going the twin route.
STOP
SUGGESTING
ARTIFICIAL
BANS
If blue needs help, give blue what it needs. We are in this complete mess because of the trash Wizards has put down our throats. Stop doing this, stop making ridiculous claims and excuses and analogies. Stop, everyone seriously stop. Look where we are right now, do you think all of your aggressive banning ideas leads down a better road after we have been on this crazy train for 5 years. Do you all honestly believe banning Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe actually did anything? Or did it just shift the problems away in another direction?
Fight back, make the Modern banned list reasonable. Fight and tell Wizards how the current tactics about the banned list isn't working.
claiming that bans dont help is simply incorrect. they have for the most part helped this game
ARE YOU FOR REAL? WHEN THE HELL HAVE THEY EVER HELPED?
DEAR GOD WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING?
We have been on this crazy train since the banning of Seething Song and Bloodbraid Elf, and you are gonna sit there and claim that Modern has gotten better with bannings?
so the summer bloom ban didnt help the game? nor did the dredge ban? or the storm ban? these bans are to nerf the decks so that the unfun factor is not too prevalent. so yea i feel they have helped in that way. even though the game is still crap now imo
Frontier will be a dead format outside of Japan with 6-12 months, there's no point in having a new format this early.
Will say some bans have helped the format but many have done the opposite, I give you the time they banned 'Wild Nacatyl' as a perfect example.
I advocated for a SSG ban quite a long time ago. Now here we are, with more and more starting to see that free mana is and has always been a problem. I once also advocated for an Eldrazi Temple ban alongside Eye of Ugin, which I'm still in favor of. To my belief, as many others, Temple isn't necessarily an unfair card, but it allows a midrange deck to exist that floors other midrange strategies unless they're trying to outclock(Death's Shadow), with really no one in competition to them, of the same degree. If you can't get the eldrazi midrange, you have to go over the top, and this is why we've seen such a massive uptick of Titan, in all of its forms, shoot across MODO in dailys before Death's Shadow started to warp the meta some. Then the various flavors of (Eldrazi) Tron tried to overstep on the other variants of Eldrazis. The continuous bleeding of Eldrazi into Eldrazi Tron, Bant, Taxes, and etc is simply the best midrange deck. Why not play, instead of any other midrange strategy, whatever flavor of the color wheel that you'd like in the form of Eldrazi? I mean, when's the last time you seen a deck maindeck four chalice of the voids and still compete without any issues? Vintage? Other warped formats? Sure, I get that Eldrazi online is trying to snuff out Cheerios, and that Chalice hits other various targets, but that's some heavy SB tech that doesn't seem to falter it's midrange strategy without every cycling like other various artifacts in these slots that others might argue to similar SB Maindeck tech. And yes, I'm aware of Moon strategies, but they aren't midranges.
Now, I'm sure you all have your opinions, and mock me or not if you shall. I'd like for you to hear me out, as well as others, and entertain the thought as you sift through the results and find that Eldrazi seems to still be a menance and warping the format around itself. The ceiling is not higher than what Eldrazi Tron can reach, with no midrange that Eldrazi midrange can't breach. If you can attest to it, you have to go the best of strategies underneath it(Affinity still struggles against it), or simply get with the best Wild Nacatl(Death's Shadow) that's got an impending ban on it faster than you're going to realize, even if it dodges the bullet this next round. If wizards continues to go with their trend, than you can expect eventually, one day or another, that Mox Opal, SSG, Death's Shadow, and Eldrazi Temple will all be banned. Sure, this is my opinion, and I might be very well be wrong on it. Just think back to this post if it happens though, and if not than maybe the format will be in a much better place and Wizards stops with their seemingly herding in these directions. I do enjoy the Eldrazi decks, but you're wrong if you think the Eldrazi decks will die simply because they lose the temple when they can still cast off of hard lands, birds of paradise, noble hierarchs, and Tron lands.
A non-legendary vendilion clique that can survive a bolt that exiles and comes out on turn two? A third turn reality smasher that doesn't care about your siege rhino, path of exile, and etc? Couple that all off when it gets big and slams out Ugins, Karns, Ulamog's, and etc? I'm not suggesting that all these are "un-fair", which I'm not strongly suggesting that they're unfair, get banned, I'm just stating in my opinion that if they continue to put up these results and give wizards the fodder that they like to show with how they ban things, slowly, but surely, will they do exactly that. Imagine how better Knight of the Reliquary, Zoo, Merfolk, Basic Jund, Abzan, Grixis, CoCo, Bant Spirits, and etc. would be if Eldrazi took a swift kick to the shin with an Eldrazi Temple ban.
honeslty the biggest take away from this data is that eldrazi is still very strong after its nerf, and i dont feel its a healthy deck to have in the meta game at this level as it just plays creatures better than any other deck.
since blue is in fact need of help. I feel an eldrazi temple ban would help if we are not going the twin route.
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I agree that Blue is overrepresented in Legacy and have for that reason (and a number of others) been a proponent on a Brainstorm ban. But Blue's dominance in Legacy is not related to what you said. You claimed that "reactive Blue decks are NOT healthy." But most of those Blue decks aren't particularly reactive; they're quite proactive, in fact.
The claim you made, that reactive Blue decks aren't healthy, just aren't being supported by your supporting evidence.
I mean no offense, but you have the most ban-mania mentality of anyone who posts regularly on this site.
Bant Eldrazi has done nothing unhealthy post Eye of Ugin
It's just a solid midrange deck that pumps out big, dumb creatures.
Let's make this clear, if you ban Eldrazi Temple, you kill the deck. No, "but it has this!" or "It can use this!"
No, you kill the whole damn archetype, and Eldrazi Tron dies and just turns back into RG Tron/BG Tron/GW Tron. You also kill Eldrazi and Taxes.
Stop it, dude, it won't make blue much better. Blue is fundamentally flawed in this format, more bans don't fix this.
why are you soo against bans? and blue for that matter? im only offering suggestions anyways. because as i see it the meta just isnt good for blue no matter what we do(other than twin)
"you have the most ban-mania mentality"
lol i mention 1 card....... and you lose it.
when looking at how to make blue better: its the meta that makes it bad combined with its bad cards. therefore there are 2 ways to address this. I am only coming from a different angle.
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At this point I consider most everything you say in this thread just trolling rather than actual constructive suggestions.
STOP
SUGGESTING
ARTIFICIAL
BANS
If blue needs help, give blue what it needs. We are in this complete mess because of the trash Wizards has put down our throats. Stop doing this, stop making ridiculous claims and excuses and analogies. Stop, everyone seriously stop. Look where we are right now, do you think all of your aggressive banning ideas leads down a better road after we have been on this crazy train for 5 years. Do you all honestly believe banning Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe actually did anything? Or did it just shift the problems away in another direction?
Fight back, make the Modern banned list reasonable. Fight and tell Wizards how the current tactics about the banned list isn't working.
and its also very obvious people cant talk about bans at all in this thread without losing it lol. if you cant handle ban talk then dont come to this thread.
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Seems like people change their minds in this thread at the flip of a hat
Even on the twitch stream or anywhere else on the forum the moment a deck does well a all in a tournament it's instantly ban mania without a second thought.
Wizards really has trained us with their bans
My issue isn't that you're suggesting bans; it's that your suggestion bans with no actual basis apart from you not liking the deck in question and then claiming that you're making the suggestion to "help blue out" in Modern. You've made it clearly obvious that you're unhappy with how the format has changed since Twin got banned and you're ignoring the fact that the format is looking amazingly healthy at the moment so you can suggest bans to the decks you don't like.
healthy in your opinion, I happen to dissagree. and im not wanting a ban beacuse i dislike a deck, its to lower the amount of anti fair decks in the format....
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I fully expect next banning announcement to include Mox Opal and Simian Spirit Guide in that announcement, although not violators, they have tremendous warnings of their abuse, and are part of many tier 2 strategies that most people deem "unfun"
I don't particularily agree, but the fact that they banned Golgari Grave-Troll and Gitaxian Probe, without even touching Simian Spirit Guide and Mox Opal is miraculous to me. Once again, Wizards line of logic has these tremendous fallacies and glaring obstructions as to what should and should not be legal. They can claim that they have numbers to support their theory, but it seems like basic logic completely escapes them.
Although I never owned the deck, and played against it a lot, Modern Dredge with Golgari Grave-Troll was the first time I felt a deck was once again unique to Modern, it gave me a Birthing Pod/Splinter Twin feeling where my choices against the deck mattered, and how my opponent prepared for hate mattered. Something both Twin and Birthing Pod were able to do was outcome hate in multiple ways, while Dredge seemed weakened at the proper specifications.
I enjoyed having GGT Dredge in the format, it finally shined a very bright light saying "Modern could be this powerful and skillful with every deck" but alas, Wizards catered to the people who just ***** and complain. Claiming they have stats that skewed the metagame with Sideboard decisions, meanwhile I see Affinity hate every-damn week for 5 years.
I said this before, you're playing the wrong format if you want "fair". Do I play kinda fair decks in modern? Yes, it doesn't mean I go asking for all these bans.
I didn't lose it because you mentioned one card, you constantly make outlandish suggestions with no data or facts backed up except that you don't like that it's unfair.
Ban Opal! Ban this, ban that! Ban Tron lands! Ban Eldrazi Temple!
Your ban mentality is so dangerous, and if there were a mob of like minded players, we would be seeing more bans, it's why your posts on here are constantly upsetting, you're clearly a BGx player that wants all the unfair decks to go away so you can have more 50/50s
I'm going to help Hellfire out here, because there is no reasonable positive answer to this question. It is not "anti-fair." Sometimes one of it's lands generates an extra mana to cast creatures spells of a specific type. That's it, that's all. Compared to all of the other ridiculous things that you can do in the modern format, that's almost as fair as it gets.
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It's certainly an annoying deck to play against when you're trying to go fair, but medium. But in no way is it bannable. I actually put it together a month ago (again) to try it again and it didn't even seem that good, sadly enough. Sure, there are draws that are tough to interact with like turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer, but nearly every good Modern deck has those "type" of plays.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)claiming that bans dont help is simply incorrect. they have for the most part helped this game.
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ARE YOU FOR REAL? WHEN THE HELL HAVE THEY EVER HELPED?
DEAR GOD WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING?
We have been on this crazy train since the banning of Seething Song and Bloodbraid Elf, and you are gonna sit there and claim that Modern has gotten better with bannings?
Without definition, fair is as loaded a word in magic as control.
To ME, the Eldrazi lands are not fair, no free mana is fair.
This however...is fine. Modern is simply not fair. This was also addressed by Cedric and his carpool. We know what sign up for!
Storm, 8whack, Revolt Zoo, Affinity, AdNaus, Thoughtseize into Goyf into Lily...if you are playing purely fair odds are really good you are LOSING.
Embrace the format, ask for things to be added to the format, do not ask for bans, so your biased view of the format can exist.
Let Modern, be Modern, and that means turn 2 Grisel getting shoved down your throat.
Modern is what it is, and it's the most popular constructed format from a viewing perspective by far.
Let's not ruin it with bans.
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how well does it do vs jund? thats what I mean by anti fair.
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"if you are playing purely fair odds are really good you are LOSING."
then I guess modern is not the format for me then.
so if by ruin you mean make it more fair than yea I think modern needs to be rehauled
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so the summer bloom ban didnt help the game? nor did the dredge ban? or the storm ban? these bans are to nerf the decks so that the unfun factor is not too prevalent. so yea i feel they have helped in that way. even though the game is still crap now imo
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Getting killed by Affinity, Infect, Bloo, Revolt Zoo, and Burn on turn 3.
If not, this isn't the format for you, but I bet Frontier will be.
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Will say some bans have helped the format but many have done the opposite, I give you the time they banned 'Wild Nacatyl' as a perfect example.
Now, I'm sure you all have your opinions, and mock me or not if you shall. I'd like for you to hear me out, as well as others, and entertain the thought as you sift through the results and find that Eldrazi seems to still be a menance and warping the format around itself. The ceiling is not higher than what Eldrazi Tron can reach, with no midrange that Eldrazi midrange can't breach. If you can attest to it, you have to go the best of strategies underneath it(Affinity still struggles against it), or simply get with the best Wild Nacatl(Death's Shadow) that's got an impending ban on it faster than you're going to realize, even if it dodges the bullet this next round. If wizards continues to go with their trend, than you can expect eventually, one day or another, that Mox Opal, SSG, Death's Shadow, and Eldrazi Temple will all be banned. Sure, this is my opinion, and I might be very well be wrong on it. Just think back to this post if it happens though, and if not than maybe the format will be in a much better place and Wizards stops with their seemingly herding in these directions. I do enjoy the Eldrazi decks, but you're wrong if you think the Eldrazi decks will die simply because they lose the temple when they can still cast off of hard lands, birds of paradise, noble hierarchs, and Tron lands.
A non-legendary vendilion clique that can survive a bolt that exiles and comes out on turn two? A third turn reality smasher that doesn't care about your siege rhino, path of exile, and etc? Couple that all off when it gets big and slams out Ugins, Karns, Ulamog's, and etc? I'm not suggesting that all these are "un-fair", which I'm not strongly suggesting that they're unfair, get banned, I'm just stating in my opinion that if they continue to put up these results and give wizards the fodder that they like to show with how they ban things, slowly, but surely, will they do exactly that. Imagine how better Knight of the Reliquary, Zoo, Merfolk, Basic Jund, Abzan, Grixis, CoCo, Bant Spirits, and etc. would be if Eldrazi took a swift kick to the shin with an Eldrazi Temple ban.