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Maybe I'm just immune to it, but I dont find the commentary on ban discussion that bad. Those cards are a risk, thats fair. Now Twitch chat is a joke, so thats worth ignoring.

I respect the different opinions on it, but I dont think Jace breaks anything.

It is amazing how Pat and Cedric keep bashing on how AV is too slow and how it is stupid to think that it will ever resolve and at the same time they say how Jace would break blue...

What does Jace do to help Blue? I know Blue players are upset that their color and play style isn't well represented but Jace just hurts
traditional GBx attrition decks.

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Grixis Control will make it to the top 8, as it seems! YAY!

The funny thing is that Grixis deck would have been more or less completely wrecked by a single Path to Exile any time in the first four turns of each game. A single removal spell makes the Grixis side completely out of it. I wonder how many Paths the Company deck is running, because these Grixis games would be non-games without a Turn 2 Tasigur living through the entire game.

+1 cfusionpm. This game is actually, for all the 'cryptic, av, snap, cryptic' action, just shows that even with all that advantage, the game is not closed out yet and could be lost.

Patrick and Cedric always get hyperbolic when talking about modern because it's exciting. There are crazy things that happen in the format and it's fun and engaging to talk big. I think it should just be taken at entertainment value honestly.

Money shouldn't be an issue for the Jace unbanning/rebanning.

1) they can always reprint it again to reduce price

2) it will still hold value due to legacy/vintage/commander

3) wizards can always unban Jace with a warning stating that if it proves too good, they can reban it next announcement. This way you know you could be taking a risk buying them

13365 viewers as we go to break for 1 hour.

Not too shabby, the Grixis game was good, but it should really not be that close considering the power that was thrown around with snap cryptics etc.

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It's insane to me that people are afraid of JTMS in this format. This is such a powerful card pool and metagame; thinking JTMS pushes all these Tier 2 and 3 blue decks to Tier 0.5 or 0 is divorced from reality. Agree that a Preordain unban looks risky from a risk management perspective, but not JTMS. That's just typical irrational blue fear without any evidence to back it up.

Very disappointed with ban talk on channel. In one sentence, Pat talks about how Emrakul ban and hypothetical Jace rebanning would hurt player confidence in the format. In another sentence, he talks about how Opal and SSG are broken, along with entertaining other ban speculation. Way to promote format confidence!

I wish the Modern world wouldn't cry or even talk about bans when new decks emerge. It's disheartening for new and old players and doesn't advance either format or metagame growth in any way.

In complete agreement. This wasn't a line of thinking a couple of years ago, and suddenly any time a team of smart players runs the metagame and does well, it's all panic panic panic. Even just mentioning it stirs negativity. In a funny way it's like a microcosm of the politics of immigration or "insert generic political issue here" I.e. It's not a problem until someone says it's a problem, and then suddenly everyone thinks it's a problem. Lol

People need to think for themselves a bit and just ignore the mania. Enjoy what's going on, appreciate the spectacle of a new deck emerging and people learning to beat it. In a couple of months it will have settled down anyway so ride the buzz while it lasts rather than just panicking and whining about bans, argh it's so frustrating to see the community take such a negative approach to things.

And that's not even considering that it's an interactive deck either, that punishes uninteractive linear combo (which I remind everyone has been *the* major complaint about the Modern metagame for aaaaaaaages). This is the kind of deck we *want* to do well in modern.

'Appreciate the spectacle' is right. People make the mistake of focusing on all the negativity, instead of looking at AdNaus as this unique entity, playing a card we will likely never see the like of again, they complain.

They see Lantern, and complain, Turns, Grisel, Infect, anything that's on an off angle attack ..and it's all tears.

Scoop if you don't like it, but someone obviously does, and it's all just Magic, and many of these are decks unique to Modern, the like of which you'll never see again.

Enjoy the spectacle, it's a format you have an incredible amount of variety in, so embrace it all.

Double Grixis (Delver and Control) in top 8! That's sure an upset!

What do people make of it?

Hey look ... Cheeri0s folded to removal and good players like expected. So maybe we can chill out a bit, yes?

Both Grixis delver and control in the top 8, maybe control is not as dead as some people think

ABDS

It's a fine deck, but not cheering for Death Shadow.

I think the biggest take away from this particular event until now is that Death Shadow has a hard time against Control decks like Grixis and BG, and Bant Explosives...sorry, Bant Eldrazi.

That's good right?

So I guess Death's Shadow was the hero we needed?

Seriously though, this is the perfect deck to have as Modern's "top deck". It punishes uninteractive decks, and it's very beatable if you're on something fair like Abzan or Grixis.

Maybe the "unban Jace" crowd will cool it a bit with 2 Grixis decks in the top 8.

Next unban changes, stoneforge mystic and preordain unbanned, how would modern change?
Here's hoping we get two unbans like last year

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Next unban changes, stoneforge mystic and preordain unbanned, how would modern change?
Here's hoping we get two unbans like last year

I begin forcing esper stoneblade forever and never win another FNM promo

I think you'd see all kinds of UWx decks as well which would be a thing of wonder. Hasn't been a serious UW deck that wasn't focused on snapcaster bolt for a long time, and snap + stoneforge + lingering souls really appeals to me.

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Death's Shadow
Death's Shadow
Bant Eldrazi
Bant Eldrazi
Grixis Delver
Grixis Control
Abzan Midrange
Ad Nauseam

A good healthy top 8, if we leave the fact that DS is double and triple top8 ing a lot of events and it's starting to break out as the BEST DECK in Modern atm.

DS Jund is two weeks old. Let's maybe wait until July to start saying it's doing anything in "a lot" of tournaments. Doubly so when this thread and most of that awful Twitch chat wants to use its performance to justifying banning cards. Or, more generally, wants to ban everything from every deck that has more than a middling performance.

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Double Grixis (Delver and Control) in top 8! That's sure an upset!

What do people make of it?

The color still needs help. This appearance doesn't overturn its horrible GP performance or bad performance since summer 2016. It doesn't need a double unban or anything drastic, but it does need assistance.

If a piece of the Death's Shadow deck gets banned, I am probably done with Modern to be honest. If the deck really ends up being too dominant, which I find unlikely given that there are plenty of natural counters to the deck, this would be the exact type of situation where an unban would be more appropriate than a ban.

What would you even ban anyway? Death's Shadow? Goyf? That would be silly. There isn't a single card in the deck that's even close to being overpowered. If it ends up dominating the format, that's just a sign that they've powered other decks down too much with bans.

This deck is strong but very beatable, and it's a nice police deck to have in the format.

Delver looking like the Delver we all know, sadly.

Grixis Control got there though!

Foiled Ad Naus to the Top 4!

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Delver looking like the Delver we all know, sadly.

Grixis Control got there though!

Questionable plays aside, that match was pretty indicative of how the deck usually plays as a whole. Sometimes you can't win, even with great opening hand. All the wins are uphill battles. And any one misstep can cost you a match. Pack that in with completely miserable matchups with multiple Tier 1 decks (like we just saw with Bant Eldrazi) and you'll never see it in Tier 1. It can sneak by in some events with great luck and positive matchups, but usually not a good choice to bring to a big tournament. Remember that only 4 or 5 URx decks even made it into day 2, so the two Grixis decks (the ONLY Grixis decks on day 2) had some incredible runs.

I think Ad Naus has a good shot at taking this one home. Doesn't seem like Bant Eldrazi/Grixis Control/Abzan get there fast enough, or can they disrupt its game? Seems like Ad Nauseam was a good meta choice, given it can just go around/over a lot of the field.

Lol 3 reactive Ux decks in the entire day 2. 5 if you widen the scope a little to include UWR Flash and Grix Delver. Of course, the 2 Grixis decks make T8 which gives a deceptive picture. It's just like when McLaren won the Pro Tour with UWR. He was literally the only guy in the top 32 of that Pro Tour on Ux reactive/control deck and then everyone points to his win and says - see everything is fine. It's a joke really.