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What cards do you think should be banned or unbanned in Modern in the next announcement? (4/4/16 update)
Poll: What cards do you think should be BANNED?
Ended Apr 2, 2016
Poll: What cards do you think should be UNBANNED?
Ended Apr 2, 2016
What are you talking about? Ancestral Vision CANNOT be flashed backed since it has no mana cost. If AV is in your graveyard, it's a useless card. The only way to cheat it out is via a cascade trigger.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Suspending isn't casting a card so flashback or Jaceback doesn't work at all. The only way to cheat it in is via cascade. It's the main reason why AV is completely safe to come off the ban list. It's really another bitterblossom case where the card isn't powerful, just a decent rollplayer in niche blue tempo decks.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
I personally like the fast-paced nature of Modern. If you desire slower, more interactive gameplay there's always Standard or EDH.
WUU/W ControlUW
Modern
WGVoltronGW
RWUJeskai Ascendancy ComboUWR
BRUGrixis ControlURB
EDH
BWGAbzan TokensGWB
There's a lot of factors here, so you can't say that a slower, interactive format is what most players want. Standard gets more support in form of tournaments than probably Modern, Legacy, and Vintage combined. Simply put, if you're looking for a weekend Comp REL event to play in, there will be more Standard events in your area than anything else (of course depending on the season, but overall).
Another factor is that Standard is perceived as cheaper. It can actually be cheaper if you are playing in the short run, but Magic being such a good game usually prevents people from doing this. They usually play through several rotations and that's where Standard can get as expensive or more expensive than other formats.
Nothing ever gets banned in Standard. Now I'm not going to argue about whether something has ever gotten banned from Standard because Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Stoneforge Mystic were the last 2 and occurred around 8 years ago. In Modern, there is always some fear of bannings. Do you want your deck to do well on Stream? Do you want to do well yourself? Do you want more people to play the deck? As an example of something completely opposite, I actually WANT more good players to play Imperial Painter in Legacy because I believe the deck hasn't gotten the accolades that it deserves. In Modern, I would rather people don't play the deck I play. It's as simple as that!
Magic has many players just joining the game. It is easier for them to memorize a smaller cardpool than to jump into Modern. It's not completely about interactive vs. non-interactive, but they understand creatures and lands.
And lastly, Modern IS great. In the past few years, it has been a very good format outside of Treasure Cruise/Rhino Pod and the Eldrazi fiasco. Believe it or not, I still would rather play Modern during these times than Standard. Standard is too much "cast creature, kill creature, swing, swing, swing" for my tastes. I don't prefer Aggro vs. Midrange metagames too much.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I don't like either especially [Linear combo or Fair].
Linear solitaire decks are solitaire, I can see why they produce uninteractive games.
But strangely enough all the fair decks are exactly the same to me. Take the best discard or counters, add in the best creatures, sometimes couple of planeswalkers if black is heavy,the best removal, all of which are extremely obvious to everyone who has played for five minutes, add in one of about five value spells, play 4 colours. Then cry like a baby because someone Blood Mooned your greedy mana base because you can't be bothered to search properly for a basic. If variety means choosing between Jund or Junk or 4 colour versions and pretending that is a choice, I think I will pass.
My solution? Well for one to play Legacy. But for a more constructive answer I will happily play Modern with and against lots of fair decks providing we can start to constrain their mana bases so that people have to be honest and stick to two, maybe 3 colours and a fair chunks of basics, and then will have to make some actual deck choices beyond play all the best stuff. Then you can ban the hell out of linear decks as much as you like, I will be celebrating and joining you. One of the most powerful strategies in Legacy is Miracles. Take a look at its mana base some time and count the Basics. Legacy burn- 20 mountains. Modern burn.....3 colours 11 fetches 3 basics, 6 shocks. Modern "fair" players are addicted to playing all the best of everything. Legacy players don't because they lose when they do, hence 3 colour decks are about the maximum, with few exceptions. They are forced to respect the existence of Wasteland, Back to Basics, and, of course, Blood Moon, so much so that a deck full of basics is a positive upside. Give me a Modern like that and I will be there. Give me any format where you can legitimately call a deck "white jund" or "jeskai black" and I don't want to play.....
My favourite and most interactive matches in Legacy tend to be Tempo vs Prison- eg RUG delver vs Death n Taxes or Pox. Games last a long time, both players get to make decisions.
Standard is popular for two reasons- it has the support and pathway to big events. Secondly its players can't afford to upgrade to Legacy, Vintage etc.
Legacy has no support almost by comparison, and yet its still here. Look at the reserved list threads to see how many peope want in to the format.
I voted unbanning for: splintertwin and t. cruise. if the format can't handle treasure cruise there's no way it can handle ancesteral visions. I feel twin shouldn't have been banned as it didn't violate the T4 rule and encouraged decks to have some interaction against thier opponent.
4c Gifts Deck Stats: https://bit.ly/2XMPrlY
https://pucatrade.com/invite/gift/120495
Not often to players make comments like this that are so utterly refuted in a single word: Legacy.
KnightfallGWUR
Azorius Control UW
Burn RBG
WUU/W ControlUW
Modern
WGVoltronGW
RWUJeskai Ascendancy ComboUWR
BRUGrixis ControlURB
EDH
BWGAbzan TokensGWB
Good post, but you could solidify the post with another word: Delver.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)4c Gifts Deck Stats: https://bit.ly/2XMPrlY
https://pucatrade.com/invite/gift/120495
Not that I didn't enjoy people scrambling about trying to adjust for the new modern meta because eldrazi pushed established T1 decks off their time worn thrones.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Green/Black are the colors Affinity gets the least usage out of. Remember that if you're not using them to cast a colored spell, you're playing with what's functionally a worse Darksteel Citadel.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Oh no, I understand that. I'm explaining why people would vote for those and not the others. They're weaker (in Affinity, at least) than the other three, plus they're arguably worse than the artifact land that is legal.
I'd love to play my legacy deck in modern though. Literally the only legacy cards in the deck are Dread Return, breakthrough, putrid and tireless(the 1 cmc discard outlets, rip), and Undiscovered Paradise. And of course, ichorid... but hey, bloodghast is pretty good too. Point being, I get why dread return is banned, but I hate it.
Meh
Modern
BUWEsper ControlWUB
BRUGrixis DelverURB
WRBGKiki ChordGBRW
WBGAbzan MidrangeGBW
BRGJundGRB
Legacy
UBRGrixis DelverRBU
Commander
Also meh
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
My prédiction;
BAN:
TEMPLE + MIMIC
UNBAN
NOTHING (But hoping for BBE as a jund player)
I think Eye without mimic and temple can't be played in the deck as 4 copy.. the +1 mana ramp (compared to another land)
doesnt worth the dead draw it procure when you draw a second copy.
Like that Tron stay alive. As a jund player I dont want tron to stay alive; but I'm pretty sure it will happens.
BGUSultai Shadow
BURGrixis Shadow
BGUSultai midrange
BRWMardu Pyromancer
BGRJund
Has there ever been a restricted card in modern ?
RG Titan Scapeshift GR
UBWAd Nauseam WBU
CEldrazi TronC
If Tron is bad against FAST deck like infect/affinity AND become bad against control;
And control become a thing;
Why to play Tron? No more reason to play tron.
less TRON = good for jund.
BGUSultai Shadow
BURGrixis Shadow
BGUSultai midrange
BRWMardu Pyromancer
BGRJund
It's done;
eye of ugin banned
Ancestral vision unbanned
swork of the meek unbanned
BGUSultai Shadow
BURGrixis Shadow
BGUSultai midrange
BRWMardu Pyromancer
BGRJund
Feel free to discuss the changes in the new thread:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/683938-current-modern-banlist-discussion-4-4-2016-eye-of